DACA--elimination-& the devasting consequences to Social Security & Medicare

[iceberg]

The Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of ignorance, anger, hate, bigotry, & misogyny.

well the left is the one that put all that on him.

 

[Markle]

First, it was Ronnie Reagan who turned SS into (basically) a pay as you go program.

Please elaborate.

 

[Markle]

Second, its republic pols who want to make changes that would further erode SS.

Specifically, how would those proposed changes "erode SS".

 

[BlueGin]

Yes there was. What the hell are you talking about?

What nation? You had a bunch of little tribes warring it out among each other using sticks. They couldn't even figure out the wheel for shit sakes.

The one you just mentioned. No one cares what white people consider a nation to be. A wheel is not a requirement of being a nation. You must be pretty illiterate to think so.

The rest of the real nations care. The Indians should be grateful. It could have been much worse.

I said no one cares what whites think. The NA's should never be grateful for being over ran by savages. You cant get much worse than having your land taken and then being forced to smell the people who stole it.

A lot of these right wingers forget that Mexico once owned the entire Southwest of this country. It was we that were the agressors and took their land away from them. They remember the Alamo that they rally around but don't really remember what the whole context of that story was.

Funny...because just recently here in New Mexico the Native Americans were protesting the Fiestas in Santa Fe Saying the conquistadors were the same as Nazi's wiping out their people and stealing their land and we shouldn't be celebrating them. Hmmmm.

 

[Markle]

The 1983 SS Amendment to keep the Social Security Trust Fund out of the unified budget.

There was NEVER a separate Trust Fund for Social Security.

The Social Security Trust Fund Myth
Last Updated Feb 1, 2011 11:05 AM EST

[...]

The debate on the Social Security trust fund is really a distraction from the real debate, which is how much can we and our children afford to pay, considering all the taxes we currently pay? When does the total federal debt get too big, including the part of the federal debt that represents the Social Security trust fund?

When you think about it, the real Social Security trust fund is the trust that our children and grandchildren will be willing and able to pay all their taxes, including FICA taxes, and that they will be willing and able to pay interest and principal on all the federal debt, including the special government bonds in the Social Security trust fund. If this happens, our Social Security benefits will be secure.

If you read the tea leaves of President Obama's State of the Union address, it appears that Social Security's financing and benefit provisions won't be addressed until after the 2012 election. According to his speech, there are more important issues to be dealt with immediately, including kick-starting the economy, creating jobs, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. That may be.

But please, Mr. President, don't kick the can much farther down the road. We need focused leadership from you -- endorsements of specific recommendations on how to improve Social Security's funding and the benefit changes that need to be made. The recommendations from your bipartisan Deficit Commission were a good place to start. The security of our Social Security benefits depends on effective and responsible leadership.

The Social Security Trust Fund Myth

Typical of Progressives, President Obama took the coward's way out, ignored the problem and kicked it down the road!

 

[oreo]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.)

Unless you can prove that all the "Dreamers" will be deported due to the proper order issued by President Donald Trump, your entire post is a LIE.

President Obama issued an illegal feel good executive order which, he himself, acknowledged was unconstitutional. The second a judges gavel came down properly declaring the order unconstitutional, what you're whining about would have happened.

On the other hand, President Trump has rightfully ended an illegal order, while compassionately giving Congress (where the debate belongs) six months to come up with a comprehensive immigration law.

Progressives are always harping that they are the compassionate party. Like always, PROGRESSIVES LIE. They lie even when the truth would serve them better. Here President Trump gives them what they want and the whine and cry! Shameful!

Horseshit--you think this Republican congress is going to pass legislation on immigration--when they couldn't even get a health care bill passed after 7 long years of we're going to "repeal & replace" Obamacare.

There's too many Tea Party extremists in the house that would never go along with ANY immigration legislation. Trump knew it too, before he did away with Obama's executive order.

Paul Ryan--and many others, including CEO's all across this country, begged Trump not to do this, and he did it anyway.
Ryan asks Trump to hold off on scrapping DACA - CNNPolitics
Commentary: Trump again shows he's not pro-business like he says
Reports: Trump to end DACA, give Congress six months to act

Trump is well on track of destroying the entire Republican party.

You voted for it, you got it.

 

[oreo]

What nation? You had a bunch of little tribes warring it out among each other using sticks. They couldn't even figure out the wheel for shit sakes.

The one you just mentioned. No one cares what white people consider a nation to be. A wheel is not a requirement of being a nation. You must be pretty illiterate to think so.

The rest of the real nations care. The Indians should be grateful. It could have been much worse.

I said no one cares what whites think. The NA's should never be grateful for being over ran by savages. You cant get much worse than having your land taken and then being forced to smell the people who stole it.

A lot of these right wingers forget that Mexico once owned the entire Southwest of this country. It was we that were the agressors and took their land away from them. They remember the Alamo that they rally around but don't really remember what the whole context of that story was.

Funny...because just recently here in New Mexico the Native Americans were protesting the Fiestas in Santa Fe Saying the conquistadors were the same as Nazi's wiping out their people and stealing their land and we shouldn't be celebrating them. Hmmmm.

That's exactly what the Conquestadors did. Do they teach history anymore in school?

 

[Markle]

There was a nation. Just because whites are trying to make an excuse doesnt change that.

 

[BlueGin]

The one you just mentioned. No one cares what white people consider a nation to be. A wheel is not a requirement of being a nation. You must be pretty illiterate to think so.

The rest of the real nations care. The Indians should be grateful. It could have been much worse.

I said no one cares what whites think. The NA's should never be grateful for being over ran by savages. You cant get much worse than having your land taken and then being forced to smell the people who stole it.

A lot of these right wingers forget that Mexico once owned the entire Southwest of this country. It was we that were the agressors and took their land away from them. They remember the Alamo that they rally around but don't really remember what the whole context of that story was.

Funny...because just recently here in New Mexico the Native Americans were protesting the Fiestas in Santa Fe Saying the conquistadors were the same as Nazi's wiping out their people and stealing their land and we shouldn't be celebrating them. Hmmmm.

That's exactly what the Conquestadors did. Do they teach history anymore in school?

The Hispanics celebrate the conquistadors as their ancestors...erect statues to them in our country. The Indians say they are the same as Nazi's and shouldn't be celebrated. Why exactly should care again that the US defeated them in battle and won the SW?

 

[Markle]

Reagan said as much himself in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984. "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," he said.
A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

Again, the mendacious Democrats LIED to the Honorable President Ronald Reagan. The Democrats promised that if the 3 million illegal aliens were granted amnesty they, the Democrats would pass a comprehensive immigration law. Democrats lied.

 

[Markle]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.)

Unless you can prove that all the "Dreamers" will be deported due to the proper order issued by President Donald Trump, your entire post is a LIE.

President Obama issued an illegal feel good executive order which, he himself, acknowledged was unconstitutional. The second a judges gavel came down properly declaring the order unconstitutional, what you're whining about would have happened.

On the other hand, President Trump has rightfully ended an illegal order, while compassionately giving Congress (where the debate belongs) six months to come up with a comprehensive immigration law.

Progressives are always harping that they are the compassionate party. Like always, PROGRESSIVES LIE. They lie even when the truth would serve them better. Here President Trump gives them what they want and the whine and cry! Shameful!

Horseshit--you think this Republican congress is going to pass legislation on immigration--when they couldn't even get a health care bill passed after 7 long years of we're going to "repeal & replace" Obamacare.

There's too many Tea Party extremists in the house that would never go along with ANY immigration legislation. Trump knew it too, before he did away with Obama's executive order.

Paul Ryan--and many others, including CEO's all across this country, begged Trump not to do this, and he did it anyway.
Ryan asks Trump to hold off on scrapping DACA - CNNPolitics
Commentary: Trump again shows he's not pro-business like he says
Reports: Trump to end DACA, give Congress six months to act

Trump is well on track of destroying the entire Republican party.

You voted for it, you got it.

We could well see some of the RINO's get primaried by true Conservatives and WIN! President Trump is doing exactly what hee promised. The indignant Congress, both Democrats and Elite Republicans are NOT.

 

[theHawk]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.) Keeping in mind that there are dreamers all over this country that are on college campus's and in Universities.

Social Security/Medicare. Back in the 1950's average family size was 4 kids. Over the last several decades family size has been reduced to 2 or less kids. 10K babyboomers are entering social security on a daily basis, and this rate will continue for the next 9 to 10 years. Adding an additional 84 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. One working person is now supporting 3 retirees on borrowed money from China. Social Security/Medicare is the reason we're continually having to raise the debt ceiling. Right now we don't have the younger generation population in this country to support the military.

So your options are:
1. Let Social Security/Medicare go bankrupt.
2 Cut benefits to the bone.
3. Raise the age of eligibility to 75 years old.
4. Means testing (meaning take from the wealthier to give to the poorer)
5. Keep kids that grew up in this country and that were educated in this country (right here) to support these funds, while also paying Federal and State taxes while stimulating the economy.

Reich wingers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer when it comes to economics.

RONALD REAGAN started the biggest and longest lasting economic boom period in this country. What he do differently from other Presidents? With a swipe of a pen he legalized all illegals in this country.

They came out of their hiding places, got real jobs and started paying real taxes. They opened up their own business's and hired other Americans. They bought & built homes, American cars, T.V's and electronics, furniture, appliances. They went to school & paid for college educations. They had no fear. They set off the longest lasting economic boom period in this Nation's history.

If you don't remember what Ronald Reagan was like, you can watch this video from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.


The next serious consquence: Migrant workers are not crossing the border to help farmers bring in their harvests which is now skyrocketing prices on beef, chicken, eggs, milk and fruit and vegi's are rotting on the vine. All due to the hateful rhetoric coming from the Reich wing.
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The Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of ignorance, anger, hate, bigotry, & misogyny.

What's wrong with sending them to other countries and having them stimulate their economies? When other countries modernize and develop better economies, they don't need to flood us with "economic refugees". Are you a racist and don't want "brown" countries to build themselves up?

It's quite hilarious you are now pretending to be a big Reagan fan in order to make an argument. You're turning yourself into a human pretzel trying to convince everyone that unlimited illegal immigration is somehow good for our country.

So you're O.K. with paying for public education here--then sending your investment off to a foreign country-- Maybe you should give your 401-K to a foreign country and call it good also. You're still not addressing social security/medicare and the future of this nation--when we don't have the youth to support these funds much less the Federal Government.

Maybe we should start a new slogan "Make America Smart again."

It's better than keeping them here where they will continue to fill up our prisons and collect welfare. Also, if we actually enforced immigration there wouldn't be any illegal children sucking up tax dollars.

Though you do bring up a good point, maybe we should seize illegals' property in order to pay back the education they got while here.

 

[oreo]

There was a nation. Just because whites are trying to make an excuse doesnt change that.

I am glad you brought up classified information.

Donald Trump invited the Russians into the Oval office, kicked out American media, let Russian media in. There were only 3 other Americans in that room with them. H.R. McMaster, National Security adviser, Dina Powell, Deputy National security Adviser, and Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State. So which one of these 3 leaked to the Washington Post, that Trump had given the Russians highly classified information that our allies didn't even know about, nor had gone through the process of being declassified.
Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador
Who was in Trump's meeting with the Russians? - CNNPolitics

To add insult to injury- U.S Intelligence warned Israeli Intelligence months before to not give Trump classified information citing he is compromised by the Russians.
U.S. officials 'warned Israel’ not to share sensitive intel with Trump administration
The source of the intel Trump shared with Russia reportedly was warned months ago not to give it to him

So Hillary Clinton did what--

Regardless 10 more Benghazi's and all the emails you can dig up don't hold a matchstick to Treason, Obstruction & Lies.

 

[oreo]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.)

Unless you can prove that all the "Dreamers" will be deported due to the proper order issued by President Donald Trump, your entire post is a LIE.

President Obama issued an illegal feel good executive order which, he himself, acknowledged was unconstitutional. The second a judges gavel came down properly declaring the order unconstitutional, what you're whining about would have happened.

On the other hand, President Trump has rightfully ended an illegal order, while compassionately giving Congress (where the debate belongs) six months to come up with a comprehensive immigration law.

Progressives are always harping that they are the compassionate party. Like always, PROGRESSIVES LIE. They lie even when the truth would serve them better. Here President Trump gives them what they want and the whine and cry! Shameful!

Horseshit--you think this Republican congress is going to pass legislation on immigration--when they couldn't even get a health care bill passed after 7 long years of we're going to "repeal & replace" Obamacare.

There's too many Tea Party extremists in the house that would never go along with ANY immigration legislation. Trump knew it too, before he did away with Obama's executive order.

Paul Ryan--and many others, including CEO's all across this country, begged Trump not to do this, and he did it anyway.
Ryan asks Trump to hold off on scrapping DACA - CNNPolitics
Commentary: Trump again shows he's not pro-business like he says
Reports: Trump to end DACA, give Congress six months to act

Trump is well on track of destroying the entire Republican party.

You voted for it, you got it.

We could well see some of the RINO's get primaried by true Conservatives and WIN! President Trump is doing exactly what hee promised. The indignant Congress, both Democrats and Elite Republicans are NOT.

You've elected a Rino-- Trump has never has never shown a conservative bone in his body. Even Chuck Schumer stated two weeks ago that Trump is not a Republican. That couldn't have been more evident when Trump sided with Nancy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer on the Debt ceiling time limit last week.

Trump had met with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell one hour prior to the meeting, and agreed with them on the 18 month time limit. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer walked in the door, and the "Great Negotiater, the Big Deal Maker" said O.K. we'll go with Pelosi's 3 month time schedule. He didn't even make a counter offer. They were all shocked. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell red faced walked out of the office to hear many apologies from White House staffers. Hillary Clinton would have given Republicans a better deal than Trump. She would have been forced to negotiate with Republicans. Now you have Nancy Pelosii/Chuck Schumer all excited writing new legislation for Trump-- The problem, Trump's top adviser, Ivanka wants Child Care Subsidies--another Obamacare type program, and Trump will more than likely sign off on it, because he mentioned it during the campaign season.
Trump sides with Democrats on fiscal issues, throwing Republican plans into chaos
Donald Trump Proposes Child-Care Subsidies

Reading hasn't killed anyone yet--you might want to try this one.
All Along I Thought Trump Wasn’t a Conservative/Republican, But Now I Realize I’m Not