Cuban Missile "Crisis" Replay

[Concerned American]

Alright then, I'll fuck you.

Not even with a note from your mommy.

 

[José]

Russia is only doing what our own government would do if they flooded our sphere of influence with weapons.

toomuchtime
In other words you have no idea what happened.

The only one who has no idea what he's talking about is you.

Petro said if Central American and Caribbean countries made military alliances with foreign powers, complete with weapons and military bases, America would react just like Russia did.

And that's exactly what America did throughout the 50's, 60's, etc... Those countries also sought Soviet protection and America showed the world how much she respects the self-determination of nations when her national security is on the line

 

[petro]

The only one who has no idea what he's talking about is you.

Petro said if Central American and Caribbean countries made military alliances with foreign powers, complete with weapons and military bases, America would react just like Russia did.

And that's exactly what America did throughout the 50's, 60's, etc... Those countries also sought Soviet protection and America showed the world how much she respects the self-determination of nations when her national security is on the line

Thank you.
That was exactly what I meant about our sphere of influence.
Apparently I should have been more specific, but I assumed readers would make that assumption like you did.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The only one who has no idea what he's talking about is you.

Petro said if Central American and Caribbean countries made military alliances with foreign powers, complete with weapons and military bases, America would react just like Russia did.

And that's exactly what America did throughout the 50's, 60's, etc... Those countries also sought Soviet protection and America showed the world how much she respects the self-determination of nations when her national security is on the line

Perhaps this happened on your planet, but not here on Earth. The US did not invade another country kill its people and destroy its cities and attempt to take over its government because it made an alliance with the USSR even in the darkest days of the Cold War. The worst misadventures of the CIA in those days pale to insignificance when compared to the massive atrocities being committed in Ukraine today by Russia.

Pull your head out of your ass once in a while and take a look at the real world.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Not even with a note from your mommy.

Don't need a permission slip.

 

[jwoodie]

A ridiculous point. The Cuban missile Sended Khrushchev's political career and made Kennedy a hero, so at least in terms of politics, it was a US win. There are still 50 NATO nuclear missiles in Turkey and there is no evidence of Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba.

Surprisingly, Biden is a tough guy on this issue, even if he is a pussy on Iran. He has increased the strength and cohesiveness of NATO, ended the constant French and German griping about forming an all European defense force without the US and put the Russian economy on life support; see

Russiaâs budget deficit may reach $24.61 bln in January

"According to preliminary estimates, the volume of federal budget revenues in January 2023 amounted to 1.356 trillion rubles, which is 35% lower than the volume of revenues in January 2022," the Ministry of Finance says

tass.com

There is no rational basis for believing the US has made any secret deal with Russia about Ukraine joining NATO.

1. The Cuban Missile Crisis did not end Khrushchev's political career. He was replaced by the Presidium and Central Committee in 1964 due to his age (70) and circumvention of local Communist Party authority. Foreign policy issues were not a factor in his removal because the Party leadership agreed with his policies.
2. Kennedy's political "win" was a media invention just like his "heroic" loss of his PT boat in WW2. He SECRETLY agreed to remove US nuclear missiles from Turkey, which was completed six months later. Even today, there are no NUCLEAR MISSILES in Turkey. However, there are about 50 tactical warheads stored at Incirlik Airbase in Turkey.
3. UNsurprisingly, Biden is playing the same "tough guy" game as JFK did, in order to distract the public from his ineptitude. (JFK went to Dallas the next year to shore up his sagging support in Texas.)
4. Of course no secret deal has been made YET, because the war game in Ukraine is still being played.

 

[toomuchtime_]

1. The Cuban Missile Crisis did not end Khrushchev's political career. He was replaced by the Presidium and Central Committee in 1964 due to his age (70) and circumvention of local Communist Party authority. Foreign policy issues were not a factor in his removal because the Party leadership agreed with his policies.
2. Kennedy's political "win" was a media invention just like his "heroic" loss of his PT boat in WW2. He SECRETLY agreed to remove US nuclear missiles from Turkey, which was completed six months later. Even today, there are no NUCLEAR MISSILES in Turkey. However, there are about 50 tactical warheads stored at Incirlik Airbase in Turkey.
3. UNsurprisingly, Biden is playing the same "tough guy" game as JFK did, in order to distract the public from his ineptitude. (JFK went to Dallas the next year to shore up his sagging support in Texas.)
4. Of course no secret deal has been made YET, because the war game in Ukraine is still being played.

Check your data.

According to the Federation of American Scientists, the U.S. military maintains 150 B61 nuclear gravity bombs in Europe for use in conflict by the U.S. and certain allied air forces. Reportedly, fifty of those are located at an American facility at the Turkish airbase at Incirlik (bases in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy host the other one hundred). The 39th Weapons Systems Security Group, numbering about five hundred U.S. Air Force personnel, secures and maintains the bombs at Incirlik.

It's time to get US nukes out of Turkey | Brookings

Given the sharp deterioration in U.S.-Turkish relations, the United States should withdraw its nuclear weapons from Incirlik.

www.brookings.edu

 

[jwoodie]

Check your data.

According to the Federation of American Scientists, the U.S. military maintains 150 B61 nuclear gravity bombs in Europe for use in conflict by the U.S. and certain allied air forces. Reportedly, fifty of those are located at an American facility at the Turkish airbase at Incirlik (bases in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy host the other one hundred). The 39th Weapons Systems Security Group, numbering about five hundred U.S. Air Force personnel, secures and maintains the bombs at Incirlik.

It's time to get US nukes out of Turkey | Brookings

Given the sharp deterioration in U.S.-Turkish relations, the United States should withdraw its nuclear weapons from Incirlik.

www.brookings.edu

Check your reading comprehension. Everything I said is 100% correct. There are no nuclear MISSILES in Turkey. The last nuclear missiles were removed in 1963.

 

[ESay]

Check your reading comprehension. Everything I said is 100% correct. There are no nuclear MISSILES in Turkey. The last nuclear missiles were removed in 1963.

Why does it matter? There are no any Soviet missiles in Cuba, either. As well as the Soviet Union proper.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Check your reading comprehension. Everything I said is 100% correct. There are no nuclear MISSILES in Turkey. The last nuclear missiles were removed in 1963.

lol Ok, no missiles but nuclear bombs and planes to deliver them.

 

[Concerned American]

Why does it matter? There are no any Soviet missiles in Cuba, either. As well as the Soviet Union proper.

Where is the soviet union--fourteen of the former USSR republics are NATO members.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Interesting perspective. Here's another one:

After carefully considering the alternatives of an immediate U.S. invasion of Cuba (or air strikes of the missile sites), a blockade of the island, or further diplomatic maneuvers, U.S. Pres. John F. Kennedy decided to place a naval “quarantine,” or blockade, on Cuba to prevent further Soviet shipments of missiles. Kennedy announced the quarantine on October 22 and warned that U.S. forces would seize “offensive weapons and associated matériel” that Soviet vessels might attempt to deliver to Cuba. During the following days, Soviet ships bound for Cuba altered course away from the quarantined zone. As the two superpowers hovered close to the brink of nuclear war, messages were exchanged between Kennedy and Khrushchev amidst extreme tension on both sides. On October 28 Khrushchev capitulated, informing Kennedy that work on the missile sites would be halted and that the missiles already in Cuba would be returned to the Soviet Union. In return, Kennedy committed the United States to never invading Cuba. Kennedy also secretly promised to withdraw the nuclear-armed missiles that the United States had stationed in Turkey in previous years. In the following weeks both superpowers began fulfilling their promises, and the crisis was over by late November. Cuba’s communist leader, Fidel Castro, was infuriated by the Soviets’ retreat in the face of the U.S. ultimatum but was powerless to act.

The Cuban missile crisis marked the climax of an acutely antagonistic period in U.S.-Soviet relations. The crisis also marked the closest point that the world had ever come to global nuclear war. It is generally believed that the Soviets’ humiliation in Cuba played an important part in Khrushchev’s fall from power in October 1964 and in the Soviet Union’s determination to achieve, at the least, a nuclear parity with the United States.

Cuban missile crisis | History, Facts, & Significance

Cuban missile crisis, major confrontation at the height of the Cold War that brought the United States and the Soviet Union to the brink of a shooting war in October 1962 over the presence of Soviet nuclear-armed missiles in Cuba. The crisis was a defining moment in the presidency of John F...

www.britannica.com

To think that JFK prevented the USSR from placing nuclear ballistic missiles 90 miles from the United States, solely for political reasons, is nonsense. Situations like the Cuban Missile Crisis are every president's worst nightmare. High risk situation with very little to gain - especially if things do not go your way.

As far as the War in Ukraine - Biden has little or nothing to gain from it. If some sort of treaty is reached to end the war, it will be credited to Ukraine and likely Zelensky. Not much to gain politically for Biden, tbh.

Unlike the thread starter,YOU have done your homework.this is far much more accurate to the truth of what DID happen than what the OP posted.well done Ace Nova THIS should be the op,not what he posted

i will add on to this excellent post that it was a good thing we had the bay of pigs invasion because kennedy after that learned to not listen to the brass in the military.the CIA lied to kennedy about the invasion knowing full well it would fail,they withheld critical details from him knowing it would fail,they wanted to trick him into invading after he was adamant about not doing so as he told them.

he fired allen dulles after the aby of pigs after he lied to him about the details of the invasion and then started listening to his aides instead of the military brass for advise which was critical in avoing confllict with them. lik you said so well,that is totally rediculous that he wanted to look like a tough guy.

I know this all to be true to what he posted not only studying it extensively but i know an american history teacher who knows the kennedy presidency like the bible.

you listening AMart marvin martian Rambunctious

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The cold war is generally accepted as ending in 1989 with the fall of the Berlin Wall. The end of the Cold War
Fourteen former soviet republics have joined NATO--all since 1991. The USSR would never have allowed one of their republics to join the opposition. SMFH. The 14 Former Soviet and Soviet-aligned Republics That Joined NATO After the Cold War – 24/7 Wall St.
Have you not studied history. Lucky for you, many on this board lived through it and remember it well.

he is a trollboy.