Countries worse than

[OKTexas]

Who cares? What are you trying to get at?

you know.....you guys cry about him calling African countries and Haiti shitholes (and el Salvador...but they never mention that one).....so what country on Earth is worse than Haiti?

Is that really what you heard? Clean out your ears or stop listening to the spin.

The controversy is with his question asking why we need to let people immigrate from shithole countries like haiti. Its not about calling the countries shitholes, its about him saying that he doesn't want people from those countries in our country. Is it possible to be more pompous and elitist? Did you really not get that?

So you want us to continue to import more poverty when social programs consume 70% of government spending. If wanting immigrants with skills this country needs is pompous and elitist, count me in.


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[buckeye45_73]

I said thousands and millions....it depends on the country.......

my gripe is they are fucking poor, with low prospects......and end up in ghettos and become wards of the state

as I've said, Indians are fine....they come from the same type of situation, but are much better educated and succeed........Haitians typically don't do nearly as well
Chinese are fine, Japanese, Koreans, Phillipinos, Vietnamese....are all fine

In Africa.....uh not much there.....Egyptians and South Africans.....maybe.....but cautious..the rest......denied...EXCEPT in rare cases.
European.......usually ok....same reason as with India.....

Basically I want people who can succeed when they arrive.......education, ambition, drive...things of that nature....people with skills....carrying laundry on your head is not a skill we need.

Whats wrong with you. Just go back and read your shit. You are completely generalizing people based on what country they come from. It is the same logic that racists use. "Blacks have the highest percentage of poor and are the most uneducated so why would I hire one. Mexicans have the highest rate of theft so why should we let them even enter our stores... It's idiot logic. We evolved past that kind of thinking decades ago... Well at least most of us did

Wrong, notice I said except in rare cases.....so yes

but you liberals act like everyone and everything is equal....they aren't.......
I have time and time told you why.......
Indians are people of color.....we love them, because they do shit......we don't love ones that don't do shit......
how do we know? I work with tons of Indians....I could name about 50 off the top of my head......I cant name one Haitian.....

and it's not just me, Haitians don't accell here......they come and end up poor.....you dems like it because you get votes.....but the contribute very little.....

you may not like math....but it is what it is........we should take people that will help our country...aka merit based immigration.......

On the contrary, i'm not making an argument that everybody is equal. I'd take the position that everybody is unique and different and we shouldn't simply judge people by race, religion, ethnicity, or their birthplace.

I just used your example to justify not hiring blacks or not allowing mexicans into stores. Another one would be to outlaw anybody who is black and from Chicago to buy a gun or enter other states because they pose a security risk... Do you see how idiotic this logic is?

Also, i'm not a Dem. I think Dems, like Reps are puppets that need to grow some independence and break from their corrupt parties.

Ok, we have limited resources and time, we have to have broad categories...so if you're from Haiti, you better standout....it's like college adminsions....you want to get to Harvard, just graduating high school isn't going to cut it......Haiti is a shithole high school.....you better be a great athlete, saved people in a disaster, have papers that are beyond exceptional or something to stand you out....because on average....they will look at the reputation of your high school

so in this instance the US is Harvard...we get who we want......we can get people from Haiti, but importing thousands of people in the hope a few make it, is not worth our time.....if we can import people from Greece and get better candidates on average, we pick the Greeks.....but if there are truly exception people in Haiti, we grab them...

that's how recruiting works in business and sports.

Yeah, thats fine and dandy for part of our immigration system, however, there's still that ol American spirit. That beacon of light that welcomes the poor, hungry, oppressed and disparaged no matter who they are and gives them a chance to achieve their dreams. Lady Liberty says it better than I...

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As long as we don't forget these basic principles of humanity and American values then i'm all good with doing some strategic recruiting. The conservative Right really needs to work on their messaging and stop sounding like complete douchbags.... absorb and reflect a little understanding of the American Spirit that the Lady speaks about.

IT was a poem......added later...it's a nice gesture.....but it's time to stop being the stupid people......and be smart

 

[buckeye45_73]

My great grandfather came over from Sicily with pennies I’m his pocket and worked as a poor fisherman to provide a life for his family, he taught the trade to his son who grew the business and bought a boat, my grandfather passed it on to my uncle who spent most of his life running the boat then sold it to start a pizza chain which he is now passing down to his boys. That’s the American Dream. That wouldn’t have happened under the idiotic standards that you are spewing.

Instead what would happen is that some doctor from Germany would come over and his son would found a Silicon Valley empire. We have no need of fishermen. We don't need carpenters and plumbers. We need doctors and engineers.

You must of taken a double dose of your stupid pills this morning. I’ve heard plenty of idiotic statements from you on this board but you are on a roll today.

The great thing about this country is my great grandfather the fisherman could come and was needed and contributed greatly to this country. So did the plumber and carpenter. And so did the doctor from Germany.

Here read this article about business icons who were poor immigrants and educate your ignorant ass
12 Immigrants Who Came To America With Nothing And Made A Fortune

A fisherman who comes over today isn't needed. He only takes a job from an American.

Or maybe the fisherman would help provide food for a community, hire and train other local fishermen in new techniques. Maybe he then invents a new type of tool or technology that revolutionizes the fishing industry because now he is in the best place in the world to accomplish your dreams. You are seriously lost man. I feel for you. So much hate and misunderstandings. I really do hope you get a change in perspective one of these days, if I had your state of mind I think I’d be a pretty miserable and bitter person

The more likely scenario is that he can't get a job because there is high unemployment in the fishing industry, he goes on welfare and becomes a permanent burden to tax paying Americans. He never invents new tools or technology because he comes from a country where 70 is the average I.Q.

Well the great thing about American is he can have a chance to make it. With exception to refugees and special cases, we don’t just bring people over and throw them in welfare. It is an extremely long process to become a citizen and many standards need to be met or visas expire.

refugees and special cases,......that's how the shit holes get here......there is always a special case....he just ended that.....and now he denies making the comment......this is gonna be hell fun

 

[buckeye45_73]

Countries worse than Haiti........go!

• North Korea
• Syria
• Iran
• Bangladesh
• Sri Lanka

Nice, got some war torn....and I can agree with that list.......

 

[buckeye45_73]

Haiti........go!

Zimbabwe.

Don't know much about it, but it's in Africa, we cant use it, that would be racist....lol

 

[Slade3200]

Who cares? What are you trying to get at?

you know.....you guys cry about him calling African countries and Haiti shitholes (and el Salvador...but they never mention that one).....so what country on Earth is worse than Haiti?

Is that really what you heard? Clean out your ears or stop listening to the spin.

The controversy is with his question asking why we need to let people immigrate from shithole countries like haiti. Its not about calling the countries shitholes, its about him saying that he doesn't want people from those countries in our country. Is it possible to be more pompous and elitist? Did you really not get that?

So you want us to continue to import more poverty when social programs consume 70% of government spending. If wanting immigrants with skills this country needs is pompous and elitist, count me in.


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We can have an immigration discussion but don’t gloss over and ignore the topic at hand. You understand the inappropriateness of Trumps comments don’t you?

 

[Slade3200]

Whats wrong with you. Just go back and read your shit. You are completely generalizing people based on what country they come from. It is the same logic that racists use. "Blacks have the highest percentage of poor and are the most uneducated so why would I hire one. Mexicans have the highest rate of theft so why should we let them even enter our stores... It's idiot logic. We evolved past that kind of thinking decades ago... Well at least most of us did

Wrong, notice I said except in rare cases.....so yes

but you liberals act like everyone and everything is equal....they aren't.......
I have time and time told you why.......
Indians are people of color.....we love them, because they do shit......we don't love ones that don't do shit......
how do we know? I work with tons of Indians....I could name about 50 off the top of my head......I cant name one Haitian.....

and it's not just me, Haitians don't accell here......they come and end up poor.....you dems like it because you get votes.....but the contribute very little.....

you may not like math....but it is what it is........we should take people that will help our country...aka merit based immigration.......

On the contrary, i'm not making an argument that everybody is equal. I'd take the position that everybody is unique and different and we shouldn't simply judge people by race, religion, ethnicity, or their birthplace.

I just used your example to justify not hiring blacks or not allowing mexicans into stores. Another one would be to outlaw anybody who is black and from Chicago to buy a gun or enter other states because they pose a security risk... Do you see how idiotic this logic is?

Also, i'm not a Dem. I think Dems, like Reps are puppets that need to grow some independence and break from their corrupt parties.

Ok, we have limited resources and time, we have to have broad categories...so if you're from Haiti, you better standout....it's like college adminsions....you want to get to Harvard, just graduating high school isn't going to cut it......Haiti is a shithole high school.....you better be a great athlete, saved people in a disaster, have papers that are beyond exceptional or something to stand you out....because on average....they will look at the reputation of your high school

so in this instance the US is Harvard...we get who we want......we can get people from Haiti, but importing thousands of people in the hope a few make it, is not worth our time.....if we can import people from Greece and get better candidates on average, we pick the Greeks.....but if there are truly exception people in Haiti, we grab them...

that's how recruiting works in business and sports.

Yeah, thats fine and dandy for part of our immigration system, however, there's still that ol American spirit. That beacon of light that welcomes the poor, hungry, oppressed and disparaged no matter who they are and gives them a chance to achieve their dreams. Lady Liberty says it better than I...

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As long as we don't forget these basic principles of humanity and American values then i'm all good with doing some strategic recruiting. The conservative Right really needs to work on their messaging and stop sounding like complete douchbags.... absorb and reflect a little understanding of the American Spirit that the Lady speaks about.

IT was a poem......added later...it's a nice gesture.....but it's time to stop being the stupid people......and be smart

When exactly did we go from smart to stupid?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Countries worse than Haiti........go!

• North Korea
• Syria
• Iran
• Bangladesh
• Sri Lanka

Nice, got some war torn....and I can agree with that list.......

I can agree with that list.......

I wasn't expecting you to say that, but only because I wasn't expecting you to remark upon it at all.

 

[OKTexas]

Who cares? What are you trying to get at?

you know.....you guys cry about him calling African countries and Haiti shitholes (and el Salvador...but they never mention that one).....so what country on Earth is worse than Haiti?

Is that really what you heard? Clean out your ears or stop listening to the spin.

The controversy is with his question asking why we need to let people immigrate from shithole countries like haiti. Its not about calling the countries shitholes, its about him saying that he doesn't want people from those countries in our country. Is it possible to be more pompous and elitist? Did you really not get that?

So you want us to continue to import more poverty when social programs consume 70% of government spending. If wanting immigrants with skills this country needs is pompous and elitist, count me in.


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We can have an immigration discussion but don’t gloss over and ignore the topic at hand. You understand the inappropriateness of Trumps comments don’t you?

You can call it inappropriate all you want, it was fact based. Pretty language has screwed this country long enough, it's about time we call it as it is. Trump just says what the majority of Americans are thinking. MAGA


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[Doc1]

Who cares? What are you trying to get at?

you know.....you guys cry about him calling African countries and Haiti shitholes (and el Salvador...but they never mention that one).....so what country on Earth is worse than Haiti?

Is that really what you heard? Clean out your ears or stop listening to the spin.

The controversy is with his question asking why we need to let people immigrate from shithole countries like haiti. Its not about calling the countries shitholes, its about him saying that he doesn't want people from those countries in our country. Is it possible to be more pompous and elitist? Did you really not get that?

No I didn't get that.....I heard the quote.....do you have audio?

The people coming from those countries are very low skilled and do not add to our country.......how do I know?

He didn't say India....which is a shit hole country....So bad in fact, they had to remove currency and make people go to banks........yeah it's that bad

but he didn't say anything about them....why? Because their immigrants are educated and do well.....I work in IT and our team of 12 is led by an Indian an about 3/4 of the team are Indians.........they know their shit.......good people.....Haitians.....don't


We've know Haiti has been a shit hole for how long?
Why is it never fixed????

Did my point go right over your head? Here, read slowly... The dig on Trump isn't that he called Haiti a shithole, it is that he said 'Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?'

He is saying that if somebody is from a shithole country he doesn't want them here. You really don't understand how fucked up that is coming from the president of the US? What happened to Merit based? What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?

So just throw open the borders, hell.....abolish them and make it one big world.

 

[buckeye45_73]

No I didn't get that.....I heard the quote.....do you have audio?

The people coming from those countries are very low skilled and do not add to our country.......how do I know?

He didn't say India....which is a shit hole country....So bad in fact, they had to remove currency and make people go to banks........yeah it's that bad

but he didn't say anything about them....why? Because their immigrants are educated and do well.....I work in IT and our team of 12 is led by an Indian an about 3/4 of the team are Indians.........they know their shit.......good people.....Haitians.....don't


We've know Haiti has been a shit hole for how long?
Why is it never fixed????

Did my point go right over your head? Here, read slowly... The dig on Trump isn't that he called Haiti a shithole, it is that he said 'Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?'

He is saying that if somebody is from a shithole country he doesn't want them here. You really don't understand how fucked up that is coming from the president of the US? What happened to Merit based? What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?

Glad you're for merit based immigration...that's progress

And what do you think merit based will do?

You think we're getting tons of people from Haiti?

a few.....but lets face it.....there isn't much talent there.
We'll get more people from Europe, certain Middle East countries, India, and Asia....

less from central America and Africa and the Caribbean.......

While the Middle East and India are shit holes........they provide value......Haiti doesn't......it's a complete waste of time.......the only positive thing about Haiti is it's close to the US.


so again, what countries are worse than Haiti.....and by worse....I mean economically, education, health care..........just give me some.....hint: it's gonna be very, very hard to do.

I don't care about which countries are worse than Haiti. I think a Haitian life is just as valuable as a Norwegian life and I don't think we should be judging people based on the country they happened to have been born in. Thats not what our country is about in my eyes.

We should be judging people based on the country they have been born in if we're deciding who we want to allow to immigrate here.

Uh, no we shouldn’t. That’s statement is no different from racism. You aren’t judging people based on who they are but on where they are from. That’s just like judging them on what they looking like. Come on man. This conversation is sick.

My great grandfather came over from Sicily with pennies I’m his pocket and worked as a poor fisherman to provide a life for his family, he taught the trade to his son who grew the business and bought a boat, my grandfather passed it on to my uncle who spent most of his life running the boat then sold it to start a pizza chain which he is now passing down to his boys. That’s the American Dream. That wouldn’t have happened under the idiotic standards that you are spewing.

No, he is right...you have to have a process.....no one is saying to ban all Haitians....but the percentage of people that will be useful is lower there.....so you should get fewer people from there. Those developing countries, have been developing for 100 years.....there are so many issues that keep them so bad off......mostly the government...but it seems people like easy (being told what to do) more than they like freedom.......it's sad...but I don't know how to fix that.

 

[buckeye45_73]

No I didn't get that.....I heard the quote.....do you have audio?

The people coming from those countries are very low skilled and do not add to our country.......how do I know?

He didn't say India....which is a shit hole country....So bad in fact, they had to remove currency and make people go to banks........yeah it's that bad

but he didn't say anything about them....why? Because their immigrants are educated and do well.....I work in IT and our team of 12 is led by an Indian an about 3/4 of the team are Indians.........they know their shit.......good people.....Haitians.....don't


We've know Haiti has been a shit hole for how long?
Why is it never fixed????

Did my point go right over your head? Here, read slowly... The dig on Trump isn't that he called Haiti a shithole, it is that he said 'Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?'

He is saying that if somebody is from a shithole country he doesn't want them here. You really don't understand how fucked up that is coming from the president of the US? What happened to Merit based? What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?

That's common sense. Haiti is a shit hole because it's infested with Hatians. Why would we want them to come here?

I guess that concept is too big for your small brain to understand. It’s obvious to most of us.

You're spewing platitudes, not "concepts." Those are designed for the gullible.

If we went to a merit based system, then almost no one from Haiti would qualify. Almost no one from any Moslem country would qualify.

You are right and that’s why many are opposed to a merit based system. There is plenty of room for merit based in our system but it is against the american spirit to make the whole thing merit based.

ok, so you are saying those countries are shitholes and have few people that would qualify? We want merit, because we don't want people coming here for the freebies.....and people from shit hole countries tend to do that......sure there are exceptions....those are the people we want....not the moochers....

 

[buckeye45_73]

Wrong, notice I said except in rare cases.....so yes

but you liberals act like everyone and everything is equal....they aren't.......
I have time and time told you why.......
Indians are people of color.....we love them, because they do shit......we don't love ones that don't do shit......
how do we know? I work with tons of Indians....I could name about 50 off the top of my head......I cant name one Haitian.....

and it's not just me, Haitians don't accell here......they come and end up poor.....you dems like it because you get votes.....but the contribute very little.....

you may not like math....but it is what it is........we should take people that will help our country...aka merit based immigration.......

On the contrary, i'm not making an argument that everybody is equal. I'd take the position that everybody is unique and different and we shouldn't simply judge people by race, religion, ethnicity, or their birthplace.

I just used your example to justify not hiring blacks or not allowing mexicans into stores. Another one would be to outlaw anybody who is black and from Chicago to buy a gun or enter other states because they pose a security risk... Do you see how idiotic this logic is?

Also, i'm not a Dem. I think Dems, like Reps are puppets that need to grow some independence and break from their corrupt parties.

Ok, we have limited resources and time, we have to have broad categories...so if you're from Haiti, you better standout....it's like college adminsions....you want to get to Harvard, just graduating high school isn't going to cut it......Haiti is a shithole high school.....you better be a great athlete, saved people in a disaster, have papers that are beyond exceptional or something to stand you out....because on average....they will look at the reputation of your high school

so in this instance the US is Harvard...we get who we want......we can get people from Haiti, but importing thousands of people in the hope a few make it, is not worth our time.....if we can import people from Greece and get better candidates on average, we pick the Greeks.....but if there are truly exception people in Haiti, we grab them...

that's how recruiting works in business and sports.

Yeah, thats fine and dandy for part of our immigration system, however, there's still that ol American spirit. That beacon of light that welcomes the poor, hungry, oppressed and disparaged no matter who they are and gives them a chance to achieve their dreams. Lady Liberty says it better than I...

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As long as we don't forget these basic principles of humanity and American values then i'm all good with doing some strategic recruiting. The conservative Right really needs to work on their messaging and stop sounding like complete douchbags.... absorb and reflect a little understanding of the American Spirit that the Lady speaks about.

IT was a poem......added later...it's a nice gesture.....but it's time to stop being the stupid people......and be smart

When exactly did we go from smart to stupid?

When we changed the immigration system in the 60s to open the door for more shithole countries...but the biggest thing was the change from merit to a lottery based system, which was done because dems wanted more minorities that would vote for them....it had nothing to do with helping people...

 

[Defiant1]

Whats wrong with you. Just go back and read your shit. You are completely generalizing people based on what country they come from. It is the same logic that racists use. "Blacks have the highest percentage of poor and are the most uneducated so why would I hire one. Mexicans have the highest rate of theft so why should we let them even enter our stores... It's idiot logic. We evolved past that kind of thinking decades ago... Well at least most of us did

Wrong, notice I said except in rare cases.....so yes

but you liberals act like everyone and everything is equal....they aren't.......
I have time and time told you why.......
Indians are people of color.....we love them, because they do shit......we don't love ones that don't do shit......
how do we know? I work with tons of Indians....I could name about 50 off the top of my head......I cant name one Haitian.....

and it's not just me, Haitians don't accell here......they come and end up poor.....you dems like it because you get votes.....but the contribute very little.....

you may not like math....but it is what it is........we should take people that will help our country...aka merit based immigration.......

On the contrary, i'm not making an argument that everybody is equal. I'd take the position that everybody is unique and different and we shouldn't simply judge people by race, religion, ethnicity, or their birthplace.

I just used your example to justify not hiring blacks or not allowing mexicans into stores. Another one would be to outlaw anybody who is black and from Chicago to buy a gun or enter other states because they pose a security risk... Do you see how idiotic this logic is?

Also, i'm not a Dem. I think Dems, like Reps are puppets that need to grow some independence and break from their corrupt parties.

Ok, we have limited resources and time, we have to have broad categories...so if you're from Haiti, you better standout....it's like college adminsions....you want to get to Harvard, just graduating high school isn't going to cut it......Haiti is a shithole high school.....you better be a great athlete, saved people in a disaster, have papers that are beyond exceptional or something to stand you out....because on average....they will look at the reputation of your high school

so in this instance the US is Harvard...we get who we want......we can get people from Haiti, but importing thousands of people in the hope a few make it, is not worth our time.....if we can import people from Greece and get better candidates on average, we pick the Greeks.....but if there are truly exception people in Haiti, we grab them...

that's how recruiting works in business and sports.

Yeah, thats fine and dandy for part of our immigration system, however, there's still that ol American spirit. That beacon of light that welcomes the poor, hungry, oppressed and disparaged no matter who they are and gives them a chance to achieve their dreams. Lady Liberty says it better than I...

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As long as we don't forget these basic principles of humanity and American values then i'm all good with doing some strategic recruiting. The conservative Right really needs to work on their messaging and stop sounding like complete douchbags.... absorb and reflect a little understanding of the American Spirit that the Lady speaks about.

IT was a poem......added later...it's a nice gesture.....but it's time to stop being the stupid people......and be smart

The Statue of Liberty was created to honor a specific time in history.
We no longer need hordes of poor, unskilled laborers.
Maybe it's time to take down Lady Liberty and store her with the Civil War statues the left doesn't like.

 

[buckeye45_73]

My great grandfather came over from Sicily with pennies I’m his pocket and worked as a poor fisherman to provide a life for his family, he taught the trade to his son who grew the business and bought a boat, my grandfather passed it on to my uncle who spent most of his life running the boat then sold it to start a pizza chain which he is now passing down to his boys. That’s the American Dream. That wouldn’t have happened under the idiotic standards that you are spewing.

Instead what would happen is that some doctor from Germany would come over and his son would found a Silicon Valley empire. We have no need of fishermen. We don't need carpenters and plumbers. We need doctors and engineers.

You must of taken a double dose of your stupid pills this morning. I’ve heard plenty of idiotic statements from you on this board but you are on a roll today.

The great thing about this country is my great grandfather the fisherman could come and was needed and contributed greatly to this country. So did the plumber and carpenter. And so did the doctor from Germany.

Here read this article about business icons who were poor immigrants and educate your ignorant ass
12 Immigrants Who Came To America With Nothing And Made A Fortune

A fisherman who comes over today isn't needed. He only takes a job from an American.

Or maybe the fisherman would help provide food for a community, hire and train other local fishermen in new techniques. Maybe he then invents a new type of tool or technology that revolutionizes the fishing industry because now he is in the best place in the world to accomplish your dreams. You are seriously lost man. I feel for you. So much hate and misunderstandings. I really do hope you get a change in perspective one of these days, if I had your state of mind I think I’d be a pretty miserable and bitter person

or maybe he can stay in his own country and help it's economy. We need people that can do technical work...manual labor is easy for any country....

 

[Slade3200]

Who cares? What are you trying to get at?

you know.....you guys cry about him calling African countries and Haiti shitholes (and el Salvador...but they never mention that one).....so what country on Earth is worse than Haiti?

Is that really what you heard? Clean out your ears or stop listening to the spin.

The controversy is with his question asking why we need to let people immigrate from shithole countries like haiti. Its not about calling the countries shitholes, its about him saying that he doesn't want people from those countries in our country. Is it possible to be more pompous and elitist? Did you really not get that?

No I didn't get that.....I heard the quote.....do you have audio?

The people coming from those countries are very low skilled and do not add to our country.......how do I know?

He didn't say India....which is a shit hole country....So bad in fact, they had to remove currency and make people go to banks........yeah it's that bad

but he didn't say anything about them....why? Because their immigrants are educated and do well.....I work in IT and our team of 12 is led by an Indian an about 3/4 of the team are Indians.........they know their shit.......good people.....Haitians.....don't


We've know Haiti has been a shit hole for how long?
Why is it never fixed????

Did my point go right over your head? Here, read slowly... The dig on Trump isn't that he called Haiti a shithole, it is that he said 'Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?'

He is saying that if somebody is from a shithole country he doesn't want them here. You really don't understand how fucked up that is coming from the president of the US? What happened to Merit based? What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?

So just throw open the borders, hell.....abolish them and make it one big world.

No thanks, but if that’s what you want then feel free to make your case

 

[Slade3200]

Did my point go right over your head? Here, read slowly... The dig on Trump isn't that he called Haiti a shithole, it is that he said 'Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?'

He is saying that if somebody is from a shithole country he doesn't want them here. You really don't understand how fucked up that is coming from the president of the US? What happened to Merit based? What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?

Glad you're for merit based immigration...that's progress

And what do you think merit based will do?

You think we're getting tons of people from Haiti?

a few.....but lets face it.....there isn't much talent there.
We'll get more people from Europe, certain Middle East countries, India, and Asia....

less from central America and Africa and the Caribbean.......

While the Middle East and India are shit holes........they provide value......Haiti doesn't......it's a complete waste of time.......the only positive thing about Haiti is it's close to the US.


so again, what countries are worse than Haiti.....and by worse....I mean economically, education, health care..........just give me some.....hint: it's gonna be very, very hard to do.

I don't care about which countries are worse than Haiti. I think a Haitian life is just as valuable as a Norwegian life and I don't think we should be judging people based on the country they happened to have been born in. Thats not what our country is about in my eyes.

We should be judging people based on the country they have been born in if we're deciding who we want to allow to immigrate here.

Uh, no we shouldn’t. That’s statement is no different from racism. You aren’t judging people based on who they are but on where they are from. That’s just like judging them on what they looking like. Come on man. This conversation is sick.

My great grandfather came over from Sicily with pennies I’m his pocket and worked as a poor fisherman to provide a life for his family, he taught the trade to his son who grew the business and bought a boat, my grandfather passed it on to my uncle who spent most of his life running the boat then sold it to start a pizza chain which he is now passing down to his boys. That’s the American Dream. That wouldn’t have happened under the idiotic standards that you are spewing.

No, he is right...you have to have a process.....no one is saying to ban all Haitians....but the percentage of people that will be useful is lower there.....so you should get fewer people from there. Those developing countries, have been developing for 100 years.....there are so many issues that keep them so bad off......mostly the government...but it seems people like easy (being told what to do) more than they like freedom.......it's sad...but I don't know how to fix that.

I have no problem with taking a rationale approach like that. I don’t know the numbers of Haitians accepted. Last I check there were 500k total in the US and Africa was well behind the America’s and Asia for immigration and on par with Europe I believe

 

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you know.....you guys cry about him calling African countries and Haiti shitholes (and el Salvador...but they never mention that one).....so what country on Earth is worse than Haiti?

Is that really what you heard? Clean out your ears or stop listening to the spin.

The controversy is with his question asking why we need to let people immigrate from shithole countries like haiti. Its not about calling the countries shitholes, its about him saying that he doesn't want people from those countries in our country. Is it possible to be more pompous and elitist? Did you really not get that?

No I didn't get that.....I heard the quote.....do you have audio?

The people coming from those countries are very low skilled and do not add to our country.......how do I know?

He didn't say India....which is a shit hole country....So bad in fact, they had to remove currency and make people go to banks........yeah it's that bad

but he didn't say anything about them....why? Because their immigrants are educated and do well.....I work in IT and our team of 12 is led by an Indian an about 3/4 of the team are Indians.........they know their shit.......good people.....Haitians.....don't


We've know Haiti has been a shit hole for how long?
Why is it never fixed????

Did my point go right over your head? Here, read slowly... The dig on Trump isn't that he called Haiti a shithole, it is that he said 'Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?'

He is saying that if somebody is from a shithole country he doesn't want them here. You really don't understand how fucked up that is coming from the president of the US? What happened to Merit based? What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?

So just throw open the borders, hell.....abolish them and make it one big world.

No thanks, but if that’s what you want then feel free to make your case

"What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?"

Your words Papa Doc. we already have immigration laws, we just need to enforce them. They need to speak English, and they need to know some of our history or they don't get in. No speaka da English, no stay. PERIOD.

 

[Slade3200]

Did my point go right over your head? Here, read slowly... The dig on Trump isn't that he called Haiti a shithole, it is that he said 'Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?'

He is saying that if somebody is from a shithole country he doesn't want them here. You really don't understand how fucked up that is coming from the president of the US? What happened to Merit based? What happened to land of opportunity? Are we now going to judge people and close the door on them when they want to come to America to make a better life for their families just because they were born in a shitty place?

That's common sense. Haiti is a shit hole because it's infested with Hatians. Why would we want them to come here?

I guess that concept is too big for your small brain to understand. It’s obvious to most of us.

You're spewing platitudes, not "concepts." Those are designed for the gullible.

If we went to a merit based system, then almost no one from Haiti would qualify. Almost no one from any Moslem country would qualify.

You are right and that’s why many are opposed to a merit based system. There is plenty of room for merit based in our system but it is against the american spirit to make the whole thing merit based.

ok, so you are saying those countries are shitholes and have few people that would qualify? We want merit, because we don't want people coming here for the freebies.....and people from shit hole countries tend to do that......sure there are exceptions....those are the people we want....not the moochers....

I want some merit but also believe that regardless of merit people deserve an opportunity to achieve their goals. This is a country where poor people can realize their potential and I think we should give them the opportunity to try. I don’t want to be a country that only lets the elites in.

 

[Slade3200]

On the contrary, i'm not making an argument that everybody is equal. I'd take the position that everybody is unique and different and we shouldn't simply judge people by race, religion, ethnicity, or their birthplace.

I just used your example to justify not hiring blacks or not allowing mexicans into stores. Another one would be to outlaw anybody who is black and from Chicago to buy a gun or enter other states because they pose a security risk... Do you see how idiotic this logic is?

Also, i'm not a Dem. I think Dems, like Reps are puppets that need to grow some independence and break from their corrupt parties.

Ok, we have limited resources and time, we have to have broad categories...so if you're from Haiti, you better standout....it's like college adminsions....you want to get to Harvard, just graduating high school isn't going to cut it......Haiti is a shithole high school.....you better be a great athlete, saved people in a disaster, have papers that are beyond exceptional or something to stand you out....because on average....they will look at the reputation of your high school

so in this instance the US is Harvard...we get who we want......we can get people from Haiti, but importing thousands of people in the hope a few make it, is not worth our time.....if we can import people from Greece and get better candidates on average, we pick the Greeks.....but if there are truly exception people in Haiti, we grab them...

that's how recruiting works in business and sports.

Yeah, thats fine and dandy for part of our immigration system, however, there's still that ol American spirit. That beacon of light that welcomes the poor, hungry, oppressed and disparaged no matter who they are and gives them a chance to achieve their dreams. Lady Liberty says it better than I...

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As long as we don't forget these basic principles of humanity and American values then i'm all good with doing some strategic recruiting. The conservative Right really needs to work on their messaging and stop sounding like complete douchbags.... absorb and reflect a little understanding of the American Spirit that the Lady speaks about.

IT was a poem......added later...it's a nice gesture.....but it's time to stop being the stupid people......and be smart

When exactly did we go from smart to stupid?

When we changed the immigration system in the 60s to open the door for more shithole countries...but the biggest thing was the change from merit to a lottery based system, which was done because dems wanted more minorities that would vote for them....it had nothing to do with helping people...

I think that is a gross oversimplification