Constitution???? What Constitution?

[NYcarbineer]

Setting the record straight: the Liberals/fascists are so ashamed about the gag order, they are trying to spin it.....

There is a gag order.




"Oregon Labor Commission Brad Avakian did, in fact, issue this order (pdf), concluding that Sweet Cakes was guilty of discrimination and ordering the owners to pay $135,000 in damages. As part of the findings, Avakian noted that the owners had made clear that they intend to continue to discriminate going forward.

In Slate, Mark Joseph Stern explained why that matters:

Noting that the Kleins had run afoul of Oregon law by asserting their intention to keep discriminating against gay couples, Avakian proposed a simple solution: Stop doing that. Rather than fine the Kleins further, Avakian wrote that the couple must “cease and desist” stating that Sweet Cakes would continue to turn away gay couples. As individuals, the Kleins may declare that Oregon’s anti-discrimination law should not protect gay couples. But when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine that they will maintain a policy of anti-gay discrimination. […]

There is nothing in Avakian’s order that bars the Kleins from talking about the ruling. They can rail against it, march against its injustice, and pen Facebook screeds complaining about anti-discrimination law. What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) that their business will not serve gay couples."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC

Now, unknowingly, you are getting it. And proving me right in the process.

 

[PoliticalChic]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

So THAT'S why your known as NYLiar!!!!!


Again:

"....when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine ...What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) ...."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC


When fascists tell you what you can and cannot say.....that's a government gag order.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

So THAT'S why your known as NYLiar!!!!!


Again:

"....when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine ...What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) ...."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC


When fascists tell you what you can and cannot say.....that's a government gag order.

In Oregon you cannot SAY, as a business operator, I'm not going to serve you because you're gay.

That's a refusal of service that is illegal under Oregon law. I

 

[PoliticalChic]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio


So, Liar.....did the state restrict their speech or not?

 

[NYcarbineer]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio


So, Liar.....did the state restrict their speech or not?

Posting notices of intent to discriminate illegally is not protected speech.

 

[Camp]

Setting the record straight: the Liberals/fascists are so ashamed about the gag order, they are trying to spin it.....

There is a gag order.




"Oregon Labor Commission Brad Avakian did, in fact, issue this order (pdf), concluding that Sweet Cakes was guilty of discrimination and ordering the owners to pay $135,000 in damages. As part of the findings, Avakian noted that the owners had made clear that they intend to continue to discriminate going forward.

In Slate, Mark Joseph Stern explained why that matters:

Noting that the Kleins had run afoul of Oregon law by asserting their intention to keep discriminating against gay couples, Avakian proposed a simple solution: Stop doing that. Rather than fine the Kleins further, Avakian wrote that the couple must “cease and desist” stating that Sweet Cakes would continue to turn away gay couples. As individuals, the Kleins may declare that Oregon’s anti-discrimination law should not protect gay couples. But when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine that they will maintain a policy of anti-gay discrimination. […]

There is nothing in Avakian’s order that bars the Kleins from talking about the ruling. They can rail against it, march against its injustice, and pen Facebook screeds complaining about anti-discrimination law. What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) that their business will not serve gay couples."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC

Now, unknowingly, you are getting it. And proving me right in the process.

This is the second time she has done this in this thread. She post the Brandenburg case and that case clearly refuted her case. Now she is doing the same thing. It indicates that she has extremely poor reading comprehension and a periscope vision that will not allow her to decipher data in an objective way. She will tell you the sky is blue and when you tell her sometimes it is grey and at night it is black she will call you a fascist communist liar and continue to demand the sky is blue.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You have had the difference between a gag order and a cease and desist order explained to you repeatedly, but to acknowledge an understanding of the difference in those terms destroys your OP, concept, ideas and opinions. You just make believe there is no difference. That is just intellectually dishonest. It makes your entire position fraudulent. They facts you give are meaningless because they do not relate to the topic.
Are you to stupid to understand that a gag order is an order for participants in an ongoing case to be silent about the case so as to not tarnish and influence potential jurors and witnesses and a cease and desist order is an order by the court to cease and desist a specific activity because the activity is alleged to be illegal or on schedule to be heard by a court as to the legality of the activity or prevent harm from the activity.
This entire cease and desist case against the Klein's was about a flyer they placed on the window of their closed bakery after reaching agreement in court informing the public they were still in business, but had moved the operation to their home, and announcing publicly that they would disregard the court and continue to discriminate. In addition they were advertising their business online. This was a violation of their agreement with the court that determined the outcome of a law suite. When the court learned the Klein's were violating their agreement an order was sent to them demanding they cease and desist or face an alteration of their penalties and fines.
The difference is that the bakery case was settled in court. There is no longer a debate between the law and the bakers. The highest courts have settled the question. If the bakers don't like it they can work towards changing the laws. What they can not do is ignore the courts ruling.

1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


.

You've repeated this lie 10 times now. 100 times more won't make it the truth.

Another one that thinks this is discrimination based on the fact that the women were lesbians.

They would have gotten a birthday cake, no problem.

Why did the Kleins refuse to bake the cake?

Because they could not participate in a wedding their religion views as an abomination.

They could have bought a birthday cake regardless of their sexual preference. The Klein's religion does not forbid participation in birthday parties.

They consider it an abomination why?

 

[PoliticalChic]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

So THAT'S why your known as NYLiar!!!!!


Again:

"....when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine ...What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) ...."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC


When fascists tell you what you can and cannot say.....that's a government gag order.

In Oregon you cannot SAY, as a business operator, I'm not going to serve you because you're gay.

That's a refusal of service that is illegal under Oregon law. I

You cannot "SAY"???????

Watch it....you're actually coming mighty close to the truth.....


"“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled that the Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful.

This is a brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”
Oregon Judge places gag order on Christian cake bakers orders them to pay 135 000 Popular Liberty at the Daily Paul

 

[PoliticalChic]

Setting the record straight: the Liberals/fascists are so ashamed about the gag order, they are trying to spin it.....

There is a gag order.




"Oregon Labor Commission Brad Avakian did, in fact, issue this order (pdf), concluding that Sweet Cakes was guilty of discrimination and ordering the owners to pay $135,000 in damages. As part of the findings, Avakian noted that the owners had made clear that they intend to continue to discriminate going forward.

In Slate, Mark Joseph Stern explained why that matters:

Noting that the Kleins had run afoul of Oregon law by asserting their intention to keep discriminating against gay couples, Avakian proposed a simple solution: Stop doing that. Rather than fine the Kleins further, Avakian wrote that the couple must “cease and desist” stating that Sweet Cakes would continue to turn away gay couples. As individuals, the Kleins may declare that Oregon’s anti-discrimination law should not protect gay couples. But when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine that they will maintain a policy of anti-gay discrimination. […]

There is nothing in Avakian’s order that bars the Kleins from talking about the ruling. They can rail against it, march against its injustice, and pen Facebook screeds complaining about anti-discrimination law. What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) that their business will not serve gay couples."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC

Now, unknowingly, you are getting it. And proving me right in the process.

This is the second time she has done this in this thread. She post the Brandenburg case and that case clearly refuted her case. Now she is doing the same thing. It indicates that she has extremely poor reading comprehension and a periscope vision that will not allow her to decipher data in an objective way. She will tell you the sky is blue and when you tell her sometimes it is grey and at night it is black she will call you a fascist communist liar and continue to demand the sky is blue.

But you've proven yourself to be "a fascist communist liar."

So?

Anybody shocked?

 

[PoliticalChic]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio


So, Liar.....did the state restrict their speech or not?

Posting notices of intent to discriminate illegally is not protected speech.

Fascist.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

So THAT'S why your known as NYLiar!!!!!


Again:

"....when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine ...What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) ...."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC


When fascists tell you what you can and cannot say.....that's a government gag order.

In Oregon you cannot SAY, as a business operator, I'm not going to serve you because you're gay.

That's a refusal of service that is illegal under Oregon law. I

You cannot "SAY"???????

Watch it....you're actually coming mighty close to the truth.....


"“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled that the Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful.

This is a brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”
Oregon Judge places gag order on Christian cake bakers orders them to pay 135 000 Popular Liberty at the Daily Paul

If you put a sign in the window of your business that says, No Asians Allowed, you have SAID you don't serve Asians,

which is a statement of your intent to break the law. You are SAYING to Asians, we don't and won't serve you. That is no different than telling them that after they've walked in and came up to the counter.

 

[Camp]

You have had the difference between a gag order and a cease and desist order explained to you repeatedly, but to acknowledge an understanding of the difference in those terms destroys your OP, concept, ideas and opinions. You just make believe there is no difference. That is just intellectually dishonest. It makes your entire position fraudulent. They facts you give are meaningless because they do not relate to the topic.
Are you to stupid to understand that a gag order is an order for participants in an ongoing case to be silent about the case so as to not tarnish and influence potential jurors and witnesses and a cease and desist order is an order by the court to cease and desist a specific activity because the activity is alleged to be illegal or on schedule to be heard by a court as to the legality of the activity or prevent harm from the activity.
This entire cease and desist case against the Klein's was about a flyer they placed on the window of their closed bakery after reaching agreement in court informing the public they were still in business, but had moved the operation to their home, and announcing publicly that they would disregard the court and continue to discriminate. In addition they were advertising their business online. This was a violation of their agreement with the court that determined the outcome of a law suite. When the court learned the Klein's were violating their agreement an order was sent to them demanding they cease and desist or face an alteration of their penalties and fines.
The difference is that the bakery case was settled in court. There is no longer a debate between the law and the bakers. The highest courts have settled the question. If the bakers don't like it they can work towards changing the laws. What they can not do is ignore the courts ruling.

1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


.

You've repeated this lie 10 times now. 100 times more won't make it the truth.

Another one that thinks this is discrimination based on the fact that the women were lesbians.

They would have gotten a birthday cake, no problem.

Why did the Kleins refuse to bake the cake?

Because they could not participate in a wedding their religion views as an abomination.

They could have bought a birthday cake regardless of their sexual preference. The Klein's religion does not forbid participation in birthday parties.

They chose the wrong business to be in. There are many ways for bakers to make a living. They are trying to participate in one small but profitable facet of the baking business. The Oregon law says you can not discriminate. All they have to do is stop making wedding cakes for anyone and specialize in some other aspect of baking.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio


So, Liar.....did the state restrict their speech or not?

Posting notices of intent to discriminate illegally is not protected speech.

Fascist.

Reducing you to namecalling notwithstanding, do you really think it's protected free speech to put a sign in your restaurant window saying

No Blacks Allowed. No Gays Allowed. No Koreans Allowed. No Christians Allowed.

Really? That is what you really think?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You have had the difference between a gag order and a cease and desist order explained to you repeatedly, but to acknowledge an understanding of the difference in those terms destroys your OP, concept, ideas and opinions. You just make believe there is no difference. That is just intellectually dishonest. It makes your entire position fraudulent. They facts you give are meaningless because they do not relate to the topic.
Are you to stupid to understand that a gag order is an order for participants in an ongoing case to be silent about the case so as to not tarnish and influence potential jurors and witnesses and a cease and desist order is an order by the court to cease and desist a specific activity because the activity is alleged to be illegal or on schedule to be heard by a court as to the legality of the activity or prevent harm from the activity.
This entire cease and desist case against the Klein's was about a flyer they placed on the window of their closed bakery after reaching agreement in court informing the public they were still in business, but had moved the operation to their home, and announcing publicly that they would disregard the court and continue to discriminate. In addition they were advertising their business online. This was a violation of their agreement with the court that determined the outcome of a law suite. When the court learned the Klein's were violating their agreement an order was sent to them demanding they cease and desist or face an alteration of their penalties and fines.
The difference is that the bakery case was settled in court. There is no longer a debate between the law and the bakers. The highest courts have settled the question. If the bakers don't like it they can work towards changing the laws. What they can not do is ignore the courts ruling.

1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


.

You've repeated this lie 10 times now. 100 times more won't make it the truth.

Another one that thinks this is discrimination based on the fact that the women were lesbians.

They would have gotten a birthday cake, no problem.

Why did the Kleins refuse to bake the cake?

Because they could not participate in a wedding their religion views as an abomination.

They could have bought a birthday cake regardless of their sexual preference. The Klein's religion does not forbid participation in birthday parties.

Is it discrimination to refuse to sell condoms to a gay man, because you don't want to participate in gay sex?

 

[PoliticalChic]

[


1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."

Let me quote what Avakian actually said in the order, so we can stop having to read PC's repeated lie:

"...the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing, or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued, or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement, or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services, or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation."

Now, I know the sane among us can see the difference? What about the rest of you?

So THAT'S why your known as NYLiar!!!!!


Again:

"....when speaking publicly about the future of their own business, they must not opine ...What they cannot do is proclaim (publicly!) ...."
The anti-gay bakery and the non-existent gag order MSNBC


When fascists tell you what you can and cannot say.....that's a government gag order.

In Oregon you cannot SAY, as a business operator, I'm not going to serve you because you're gay.

That's a refusal of service that is illegal under Oregon law. I

You cannot "SAY"???????

Watch it....you're actually coming mighty close to the truth.....


"“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled that the Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful.

This is a brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”
Oregon Judge places gag order on Christian cake bakers orders them to pay 135 000 Popular Liberty at the Daily Paul

If you put a sign in the window of your business that says, No Asians Allowed, you have SAID you don't serve Asians,

which is a statement of your intent to break the law. You are SAYING to Asians, we don't and won't serve you. That is no different than telling them that after they've walked in and came up to the counter.

And the business transaction would be between the customers and the proprietor.

Government need not impose any restrictions unless the customers were as dumb as you are.


A fascist like you, to be consistent, would have to impose capital punishment for any baseball fan yelling 'kill the umpire.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


.

You've repeated this lie 10 times now. 100 times more won't make it the truth.

Another one that thinks this is discrimination based on the fact that the women were lesbians.

They would have gotten a birthday cake, no problem.

Why did the Kleins refuse to bake the cake?

Because they could not participate in a wedding their religion views as an abomination.

They could have bought a birthday cake regardless of their sexual preference. The Klein's religion does not forbid participation in birthday parties.

They chose the wrong business to be in. There are many ways for bakers to make a living. They are trying to participate in one small but profitable facet of the baking business. The Oregon law says you can not discriminate. All they have to do is stop making wedding cakes for anyone and specialize in some other aspect of baking.

No, dope, you chose the wrong nation to champion your totalitarian beliefs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And....another one:

10. When the government issues a subpoena under Section 2703, it can ask the court underTitle 18, United States Code, section 2705(b)for a gag order prohibiting the recipient of the subpoena from disclosing it:

(b) Preclusion of Notice to Subject of Governmental Access.— A governmental entity acting under section 2703, when it is not required to notify the subscriber or customer under section 2703 (b)(1), or to the extent that it may delay such notice pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, may apply to a court for an order commanding a provider of electronic communications service or remote computing service to whom a warrant, subpoena, or court order is directed, for such period as the court deems appropriate, not to notify any other person of the existence of the warrant, subpoena, or court order. The court shall enter such an order if it determines that there is reason to believe that notification of the existence of the warrant, subpoena, or court order will result in—
(1) endangering the life or physical safety of an individual;
(2) flight from prosecution;
(3) destruction of or tampering with evidence;
(4) intimidation of potential witnesses; or
(5) otherwise seriously jeopardizing an investigation or unduly delaying a trial.


The Gag Order — And The Government's Apparent Continued Support Of It — Is Outrageous And Contemptible — It Is Un-American



.... it is shocking and outrageous that the U.S. Attorney's Office sought a gag order and continues to enforce it.


Think about it.

This is an order telling an American publication thatwrites about freedom and abuse of government powerthat it can't talk about an abuse of government power. It is classic prior restraint, which is one of the most disfavored forms of censorship in American law.
Did The Department of Justice Get A Gag Order Silencing Reason About The Grand Jury Subpoena Popehat

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let PC's favorite Supreme Court Justice, Antonin Scalia, explain it to her:



Conscientious scruples have not, in the course of the long struggle for religious toleration, relieved the individual from obedience to a general law not aimed at the promotion or restriction of religious beliefs. The mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities.

(Footnote omitted.) We first had occasion to assert that principle in Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1879), where we rejected the claim that criminal laws against polygamy could not be constitutionally applied to those whose religion commanded the practice. "Laws," we said,

are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. . . . Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself.

Employment Division v. Smith US Law LII Legal Information Institute

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no 'explaining' required.

Anyone reading the thread can see that some folks believe that Americans should be allowed to say and think whatever they choose. I serve as such an example.

Others, like you, favor criminalizing thoughts or words.



Now....if you control the courts and government, I would be punished.
If I controlled the courts and government, we could each go on our merry way.

It's as simple as that.

 

[Valerie]

^ look at the super girl with super delusions!