Conservative vs Liberal

[Votto]

With all the conservative vs liberal insult threads and conflict, reading the drone thread the question occurs, of conservatives, liberals, and everyone else, does anyone actually think the government's 'the good guys?'

Conservatives want to reduce the size and scope of government. What Republican has ever done that?

What we have here is one party, the Dimlicans.

What we have here is an ever expanding centralization of power that will result in tyranny, cause it always does.

 

[Votto]

pure partisanship from either side is the root of political demise. It's our fault. We elect them, and pay them $172K a year to bitch at each other, then cheer them on for doing it.

And they only "work" 126 days a year while voting themselves raises. Thanks to gerrymandering, some of them have a place at the trough for life.

News flash, the government is much more than just congress.

Yep, there is Obama and everyone that does what he tells them

 

[dblack]

"Conservative vs Liberal"

Conservative ideologues vs liberal pragmatists, the fundamental source of the conflict.

"Pragmatic" is a smokescreen. Unscrupulous leaders trot it out to divert examination of their (deliberately unstated) ideologies and ambitions.

 

[elektra]

Liberalism exists as a parasite that feeds off conservatives.

 

[Flopper]

"Conservative vs Liberal"

Conservative ideologues vs liberal pragmatists, the fundamental source of the conflict.

"Pragmatic" is a smokescreen. Unscrupulous leaders trot it out to divert examination of their (deliberately unstated) ideologies and ambitions.

PRAGMATISM - a practical approach to problems and affairs; something there is damn little of in Washington today but there's a whole shitload of political ideology.

 

[dblack]

"Conservative vs Liberal"

Conservative ideologues vs liberal pragmatists, the fundamental source of the conflict.

"Pragmatic" is a smokescreen. Unscrupulous leaders trot it out to divert examination of their (deliberately unstated) ideologies and ambitions.

PRAGMATISM - a practical approach to problems and affairs; something there is damn little of in Washington today but there's a whole shitload of political ideology.

Claiming "pragmatism" in politics is, all too often, an attempt to gloss over the important ideological questions underlying the different agendas.

It's a favorite ploy of those who would rather we didn't question the scope and limits of government power. They want us to blithely accept their premise that every social problem is potentially a government problem and move directly to discussions of what the state should do about it.

Those of us who don't fall in line are deemed "obstructionists" or "ideologues".

 

[bripat9643]

With all the conservative vs liberal insult threads and conflict, reading the drone thread the question occurs, of conservatives, liberals, and everyone else, does anyone actually think the government's 'the good guys?'

The people and the government are one in the same, where 'government' is only as good or as bad as the people allow it to be.

The mistake is to perceive 'the government' as something separate and apart from the people, which it is not.

That's obvious horseshit. The government is obviously something separate from me. Furthermore, it's hostile to me and oppresses me. You are dispensing pap and propaganda.

 

[Agit8r]

Government is a reflection of the fortitude or weakness of the electors. We get what 51% of us deserve.

 

[Mac1958]

PRAGMATISM - a practical approach to problems and affairs; something there is damn little of in Washington today but there's a whole shitload of political ideology.

Bingo.

For an ideologue to think of themselves as "pragmatic" illustrates how their ideology has distorted their perceptions.

I think they really believe it.

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[Flopper]

"Conservative vs Liberal"

Conservative ideologues vs liberal pragmatists, the fundamental source of the conflict.

"Pragmatic" is a smokescreen. Unscrupulous leaders trot it out to divert examination of their (deliberately unstated) ideologies and ambitions.

PRAGMATISM - a practical approach to problems and affairs; something there is damn little of in Washington today but there's a whole shitload of political ideology.

Claiming "pragmatism" in politics is, all too often, an attempt to gloss over the important ideological questions underlying the different agendas.

It's a favorite ploy of those who would rather we didn't question the scope and limits of government power. They want us to blithely accept their premise that every social problem is potentially a government problem and move directly to discussions of what the state should do about it.

Those of us who don't fall in line are deemed "obstructionists" or "ideologues".

The way I see it, you have to work with the world as it is. The broad strokes that the far right wants are not just impossible but downright silly. You can't deport 11 million people, repeal Obamacare and pretend it never existed, abolish the Federal Reserve, and turn the clock back to 1776 and start over again. However, you can make government run more efficiently and cut some costs. Grandiose ideas of eliminating most government functions will simply remain ideas and that's all.