Conservative record on Civil Rights?

[Nosmo King]

Chalk this one up to our dismal & failing Public School System. Most Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act. Most Democrats voted against it. Man it really is a crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? More like Russian Roulette i think.

You have some understanding of the difference between political parties and political ideologies, right? I wonder sometimes...

I never said "Republicans". I said "Conservatives".

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Chalk this one up to our dismal & failing Public School System. Most Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act. Most Democrats voted against it. Man it really is a crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? More like Russian Roulette i think.

You have some understanding of the difference between political parties and political ideologies, right? I wonder sometimes...

I never said "Republicans". I said "Conservatives".

You're confused. Lets just leave it there. I don't blame you though. I blame our dismal Public School System for your confusion.

 

[The Rabbi]

Chalk this one up to our dismal & failing Public School System. Most Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act. Most Democrats voted against it. Man it really is a crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? More like Russian Roulette i think.

You have some understanding of the difference between political parties and political ideologies, right? I wonder sometimes...

I never said "Republicans". I said "Conservatives".

What is "conservative"? JFK today would be a conservative. Martin Luther King would be considered a conservative. The definition changes over 40 years, ya know.

 

[topspin]

the grand wizard of the Klan of yestaryear would be a conservative.

 

[Nosmo King]

Chalk this one up to our dismal & failing Public School System. Most Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act. Most Democrats voted against it. Man it really is a crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? More like Russian Roulette i think.

You have some understanding of the difference between political parties and political ideologies, right? I wonder sometimes...

I never said "Republicans". I said "Conservatives".

What is "conservative"? JFK today would be a conservative. Martin Luther King would be considered a conservative. The definition changes over 40 years, ya know.

Classifying those two as Conservative only allows Conservatives to co-opt true heroes and ignore their own positions as the opposition to civil rights.

Tell me, would you claim Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace and Sheriff "Bull" Connor as Conservatives today? In the late 1950s? Early 1960s?

Or has the definition changes so those folks might finally be thought of as Liberals?

 

[Nosmo King]

Chalk this one up to our dismal & failing Public School System. Most Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act. Most Democrats voted against it. Man it really is a crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? More like Russian Roulette i think.

You have some understanding of the difference between political parties and political ideologies, right? I wonder sometimes...

I never said "Republicans". I said "Conservatives".

You're confused. Lets just leave it there. I don't blame you though. I blame our dismal Public School System for your confusion.

yeah. right. I'm the confused one.

 

[The Rabbi]

You have some understanding of the difference between political parties and political ideologies, right? I wonder sometimes...

I never said "Republicans". I said "Conservatives".

What is "conservative"? JFK today would be a conservative. Martin Luther King would be considered a conservative. The definition changes over 40 years, ya know.

Classifying those two as Conservative only allows Conservatives to co-opt true heroes and ignore their own positions as the opposition to civil rights.

Tell me, would you claim Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace and Sheriff "Bull" Connor as Conservatives today? In the late 1950s? Early 1960s?

Or has the definition changes so those folks might finally be thought of as Liberals?

Wallace was a liberal. Thurmond was probably a liberal too. I don't know anything about the politics of Bull Connor, who was charged with keeping the peace. Maddox would be right at home in an Obama Administration as he massively expanded government programs.
Yeah, they were liberals.

 

[Nosmo King]

What is "conservative"? JFK today would be a conservative. Martin Luther King would be considered a conservative. The definition changes over 40 years, ya know.

Classifying those two as Conservative only allows Conservatives to co-opt true heroes and ignore their own positions as the opposition to civil rights.

Tell me, would you claim Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace and Sheriff "Bull" Connor as Conservatives today? In the late 1950s? Early 1960s?

Or has the definition changes so those folks might finally be thought of as Liberals?

Wallace was a liberal. Thurmond was probably a liberal too. I don't know anything about the politics of Bull Connor, who was charged with keeping the peace. Maddox would be right at home in an Obama Administration as he massively expanded government programs.
Yeah, they were liberals.

"Swing yer partner round and round! Dossey doo and Promenade left!"

If I had folks like Wallace, Maddox, Thurmond et al as part of my political ideology, I'd try as hard as you are now to schuck them off to the opposition too.

Probably with as much success as you had here.

fail.

 

[Dick Tuck]

What is "conservative"? JFK today would be a conservative. Martin Luther King would be considered a conservative. The definition changes over 40 years, ya know.

Classifying those two as Conservative only allows Conservatives to co-opt true heroes and ignore their own positions as the opposition to civil rights.

Tell me, would you claim Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace and Sheriff "Bull" Connor as Conservatives today? In the late 1950s? Early 1960s?

Or has the definition changes so those folks might finally be thought of as Liberals?

Wallace was a liberal.

He sold his soul for the Klan vote, and in '68 and '72 ran on a platform of "states rights" (ie segregation) and law and order. Hardly a liberal agenda. In fact, it was the same crap that Goldwater ran on.

Thurmond was probably a liberal too.

He might have been a new dealer, but again, he ran on states rights in '48 and worked for Nixon in '68. Hardly a liberal choice.

I don't know anything about the politics of Bull Connor, who was charged with keeping the peace.

Keeping the peace? Is that what you call siccing dogs on people who are trying to register to vote?

Maddox would be right at home in an Obama Administration as he massively expanded government programs.​

Maddox would have wielded his ax handle to keep him out of that pathetic cafeteria he owned.

Yeah, they were liberals.

You don't have a clue about what you're claiming. Do they now teach stupidity 101 in the home school curriculum?

 

[The Rabbi]

Classifying those two as Conservative only allows Conservatives to co-opt true heroes and ignore their own positions as the opposition to civil rights.

Tell me, would you claim Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace and Sheriff "Bull" Connor as Conservatives today? In the late 1950s? Early 1960s?

Or has the definition changes so those folks might finally be thought of as Liberals?

Wallace was a liberal. Thurmond was probably a liberal too. I don't know anything about the politics of Bull Connor, who was charged with keeping the peace. Maddox would be right at home in an Obama Administration as he massively expanded government programs.
Yeah, they were liberals.

"Swing yer partner round and round! Dossey doo and Promenade left!"

If I had folks like Wallace, Maddox, Thurmond et al as part of my political ideology, I'd try as hard as you are now to schuck them off to the opposition too.

Probably with as much success as you had here.

fail.

Discount the racial business and they were "progressives". This is why Wallace got re elected with a majority of the black vote the last time he ran.
Sorry it didnt work out for your argument.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The GOP and Conservatives had very little to do with one another back in the early 1960s.

Want to bet on that one? You shouldn't get your history lessons from rdean.

Do you want us to believe that Liberals comprised the opposition to civil rights? That George Wallace, Lester Maddox and Sheriff Bull Connor were card carrying members of the ACLU?

That Phyllis Schlafly was the only genuine feminist? That Conservatives of every stripe are leading Gay Rights parades?

Conservatives have never supported any expansion, acquisition or guarantee of civil rights.

Where the fuck did I say that?

Both groups have both supported, and opposed, expansions of rights. Liberals generally oppose the right to bear arms, just to name one. If you want to learn to think for yourself I would be willing to educate you about the facts, but if all you can do is spout partisan hackery straight from rdeans playbook I will just make you look like an idiot every time you post something stupid.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Which Conservatives have ever advocated, marched, protested for, legislated, or championed any expansion of civil rights?

Women's rights?

Gay rights?

Latino rights?

John Adams, Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Albert Einstein, Jesus Christ, Mahatma Gandhi, Dwight Eisenhower, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh

If John Adams, Ben Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were truly interested in civil rights, they would have enshrined Women's Suffrage in the Constitution. Washington, Jefferson would have freed their slaves.

Palin and Limbaugh? Really? What's their position on same sex marriage?

And Eisenhower, while he sent troops to Little Rock, failed to enact any real civil rights reforms. He did warn of the growing influence of the military industrial complex. How's that square with Conservative dogma?

Typical progressive idiotic rewriting of history. Does it make you feel morally superiorr to judge an entire culture from your lofty point of centuries of civil rights battles that yo had nothing to do with?

The fact that they opposed those things prove that they were conservatives, and the fact that they supported the Bill of Rights and the Constitution proves they supported civil rights.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Don't try to take Gandhi as a Conservative either. Gandhi listed seve sins. Here they are:

Wealth without Work
Pleasure without Conscience
Science without Humanity
Knowledge without Character
Politics without Principle
Commerce without Morality
Worship without Sacrifice


How on earth can you be a Conservative and live by these? Wealth without work? Commerce without morality? The very idea flies in the face of what Conservatives claim to be "freedoms"!

These are things he was opposed to, correct? Wealth without work, aka welfare. Opposition to welfare seems to be a pretty conservative position to me. As does the insistence that a conscious, compassion (humanity), character, principle, morality, and sacrifice make a difference. Most liberals think all of this is old fashioned and outdated.

 

[Political Junky]

Which Conservatives have ever advocated, marched, protested for, legislated, or championed any expansion of civil rights?

Women's rights?

Gay rights?

Latino rights?

I guess you never heard of the civil war

That was before the republican party became the party of white Southerners. They switched parties, not their beliefs.

 

[Nosmo King]

Don't try to take Gandhi as a Conservative either. Gandhi listed seve sins. Here they are:

Wealth without Work
Pleasure without Conscience
Science without Humanity
Knowledge without Character
Politics without Principle
Commerce without Morality
Worship without Sacrifice


How on earth can you be a Conservative and live by these? Wealth without work? Commerce without morality? The very idea flies in the face of what Conservatives claim to be "freedoms"!

These are things he was opposed to, correct? Wealth without work, aka welfare. Opposition to welfare seems to be a pretty conservative position to me. As does the insistence that a conscious, compassion (humanity), character, principle, morality, and sacrifice make a difference. Most liberals think all of this is old fashioned and outdated.

And that's the difference. You see welfare as a path to wealth. I've never seen anyone on welfare who has gained wealth, only sustenance. I see wealth without work as the wealth attained through speculation and greed. The wealth of a hedge fund manager e.g. It goes hand in glove with commerce without morality. And followed by politics without principle.

Most Conoservatives have redefined compassion, character, principle, morality and sacrifice to suit their own ends.

 

[G.T.]

Rabbi,

No way in sam's hell MLK would be considered a Convervative. Have you read his I Have a Dream speech, in its entirety? He explicity endorses Socialism lite. I suggest you read it.

 

[Nosmo King]

Want to bet on that one? You shouldn't get your history lessons from rdean.

Do you want us to believe that Liberals comprised the opposition to civil rights? That George Wallace, Lester Maddox and Sheriff Bull Connor were card carrying members of the ACLU?

That Phyllis Schlafly was the only genuine feminist? That Conservatives of every stripe are leading Gay Rights parades?

Conservatives have never supported any expansion, acquisition or guarantee of civil rights.

Where the fuck did I say that?

Both groups have both supported, and opposed, expansions of rights. Liberals generally oppose the right to bear arms, just to name one. If you want to learn to think for yourself I would be willing to educate you about the facts, but if all you can do is spout partisan hackery straight from rdeans playbook I will just make you look like an idiot every time you post something stupid.

Tell me, would you consider racial profiling a violation of civil rights? Would you consider repealing the Defense of Marriage Act an advancement of civil rights? What is the Conservative attitude toward those things?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And that's the difference. You see welfare as a path to wealth. I've never seen anyone on welfare who has gained wealth, only sustenance. I see wealth without work as the wealth attained through speculation and greed. The wealth of a hedge fund manager e.g. It goes hand in glove with commerce without morality. And followed by politics without principle.

Most Conoservatives have redefined compassion, character, principle, morality and sacrifice to suit their own ends.

WTF?

I see welfare as creating dependency, not a path to wealth. If you agree with me about that you might be a conservative.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Tell me, would you consider racial profiling a violation of civil rights? Would you consider repealing the Defense of Marriage Act an advancement of civil rights? What is the Conservative attitude toward those things?

Do I consider racial profiling a violation of civil rights? That depends on what you mean by racial profiling. As for repealing DOMA, if you want to claim that it violates civil rights we might have to discuss exactly how it does so. Would you also like a list of the liberals in Congress who voted for DOMA? Or did you simply assume the 85 Senators and 342 Representatives who voted for it were all conservatives?

 

[JBeukema]

Which Conservatives have ever advocated, marched, protested for, legislated, or championed any expansion of civil rights?

Women's rights?

Gay rights?

Latino rights?

None. At all. By definition.

S: (n) conservative, conservativist (a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas)

S: (adj) conservative (resistant to change)