Conservative Equivalent to the ACLU?

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    What would you say is the Conservative equivalent to the ACLU? I know some of you might be thinking of the Heritage Foundation, but I don't think so. The Heritage Foundation seems to be more of a political, and academic, advocacy group. I know the ACLU brings court challenges across the country on a host of legal issues, and seems to be solely a legal advocacy group. I don't think the Heritage Foundation brings anywhere near the number of legal battles that the ACLU does.

    What do you guys think?
     
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    The ACLU isn't a "liberal" organization. Its an organization designed to provide and fight for peoples rights. Unfortunately those rights seem to be significantly more important to liberals than conservatives and so it gets labeled as a "liberal" organization.
     
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    There is no conservative equivilant to the ACLU.
     
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    I think there's a hell of a lot of very conservative people who are in the ACLU.

    So I think you are mistaking the ACLU for a liberal organization.

    The ACLU defends the bill of rights.

    That's a very conservative thing to do.

    But if the conservatives want to create another ACLU, why not?

    I think it would be a good thing to do, actually.

    The more organizations defending the bill of rights from being violated the better.
     
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    I define this organization as being liberal because it does things like argue in Federal court that the card-board boxes setup by the homeless in NYC train stations are considered "homes" and that they are afforded the same expectation of privacy as any other house. For those of you that have even the scantest command of Constitutional law, you should know that I don't need to bother going over why a card board box, located in a NYC train station, has little to no expectation of privacy...not to mention the reason why zoning & housing laws can completely invalidate their entire Constitutional argument.


    I define this organization as being liberal because 2 ACLU lawyers came to my college a year ago and were up in arms about the fact that the patriot act allows the FBI to investigate *public* library records. However, these 2 ACLU lawyers didn't give a sh*t about how the IRS has the power to investigate every single aspect of an individual's financial life (tax, credit, banking, business records...etc) without warrants, oversight, or meeting any even marginal standard of probable cause or reasonable suspicion.......If I need to explain why the ACLU lawyers are acting like "liberals" in this case don't bother posting.

    I define this organization as being liberal because it wages legal battles across the country in attempts to get all manner or religious displays, even during holiday seasons, off public grounds. A conservative would recall the words "congress shall make no law.....respecting an establishment of religion". While there is case law that would suggest the "respecting an establishment of religion" part of Amendment 1 would prohibit a religious display on lets say the property of a firehouse, a conservative would interpret the 1st Amendment to suggest that Congress, or a state legislative body (as they are require to abide by the bill of rights through the doctrine of incorporation), "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", and would thus include laws.....not simple displays for holiday celebration and commemoration. The ACLU is clearing being "liberal" with its interpretation of the religion clause of the 1st Amendment.

    In general I would define this organization as being liberal because while it does a good job of defending political rights such as speech, assembly, expression, fair & speedy trial....etc, it doesn't give a fly sh*t about economic rights. When was the last time the ACLU sent a team of lawyers to defend a group of people facing immanent-domain? When was the last time the ACLU challenged the Constitutionality of certain regulatory entities (such as the new "pay tsar")? When was the last time the ACLU defended someone that had their credit & business records investigated by the IRS without warrant or even reasonable suspicion? When was the last time the ACLU challenged the Constitutionality of the Federal Reserve board? Has the ACLU been concerned in the slightest with the delegation of Congressional power to regulate inter-state commerce to the Presidency?

    Here's a good one... When was the last time the ACLU challenged the Constitutionality of the Social Security program? I am not going to tell you way the Constitutionality of Social Security is questionable, but I'll give you a hint. Think about how money flows from one group to another in the program, then think about the doctrine of substantive due process, and the just compensation clause of the 5th Amendment. This is a pretty unorthodox challenge to make, since it has become almost heretical to speak badly of social security in political discourse. However, if you think critically about this program, it is questionable.


    I can go on and on. The fact is the ACLU definitely does have a liberal slant whether those of you that support it like it or not. If you pay attention to what they get worked up about, and what they don't give a rat's ass about, you'd know better.
     
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    The ACLU isn't "liberal" to begin with. The ACLU is merely broadly civil libertarian (which often aligns it with socially progressive ideology), and opposes elements of "liberal" doctrines, such as hate crime legislation. A rightist equivalent would undoubtedly be the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), however.
     
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    The existence of socialism is indeed a necessary condition for the establishment of any true libertarian commonwealth because the elimination of the subordination of labor under capital is just as integral to liberty as the elimination of the subordination of a citizenry under the state. However, the ACLU's agenda is not presently centered around any economic agenda, nor even around a broader social agenda than is relevant to the Constitution and fundamental elements of liberty.

    But congratulations on ignoring the reference to the ACLJ regardless; we can always count on you to do that. ;)
     
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    Ignorance is not bliss. The ACLU is a communist founded institution that has stayed true to its original mandate and agenda - which has nothing to do with "protecting" our rights -but with bastardizing them in order to further the communist agenda laid out by its founders -just as is spelled out in the Communist Manifesto. (For those who have never bothered to read it, I suggest you do -a real eye opener.) The ACLU doesn't give a shit about your rights, sorry.

    The Constitution didn't charge any private organization with "protecting" our rights -and the ACLU doesn't. Which is why the there isn't any conservative equal to the ACLU -because there is no role for such organizations under our Constitution in the first place. There is no shortage of constitutional and civil rights lawyers willing to take on any case involving the infringement of individual or civil rights -with literally thousands of them willing to take on such cases for free. None of whom are employed by the ACLU which will only take on specific kinds of cases that fulfills some aspect of its platform statement.

    The Constitution specifically charges a branch of government with protecting our rights -not some private organization with its own agenda. Pretending the ACLU actually exists in order to somehow SAVE this country and that IT ALONE stands between you and a government that would strip you of your rights entirely -is worse than ignorance. Its dangerous. I'm convinced the ignorant, a class which seems to be only growing with each generation -will be the death of this country. If you are looking for a good education for your children -you won't find it in our public school system. Or people like you would have already known about the ACLU and not been repeating mindless claptrap that they exist to protect people like you when they will do no such thing. Not unless you are a member of NAMBLA and insisting that publishing instructions on how to seduce and rape little boys is a constitutional right of course.

    The ACLU was founded for another purpose entirely. Protecting anyone's constitutional rights wasn't even on their list.

    “I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." Roger Baldwin, co-founder ACLU

    “The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body to forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on.” William Z. Foster, then National Chairman of the Communist Party USA, ACLU co-founder and author of Toward Soviet America
     
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    The only one that I know of is "The American Center for Law and Justice" aka ACLJ.

    ACLJ • American Center for Law & Justice

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