Consciousness is the "fifth dimension".

[there4eyeM]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

 

[blastoff]

Oh, c’mon. Consciousness puts me to sleep.

 

[G.T.]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

It could also be conjecture, i.e. speculative claims which aren't supported.

 

[ding]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

 

[midcan5]

The unconscious is the key, "How can I tell what I think till I see what I say." E. M. Forster

Check this book out sometime if you really want to blow your mind.

'Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain' David Eagleman

Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain by David Eagleman

And this too: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives

 

[G.T.]

The unconscious is the key, "How can I tell what I think till I see what I say." E. M. Forster

Check this book out sometime if you really want to blow your mind.

'Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain' David Eagleman

Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain by David Eagleman

And this too: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives

Thanks for the recommend re: the Brain. I love the topic..

 

[there4eyeM]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

It could also be conjecture, i.e. speculative claims which aren't supported.

It is not conjecture to state that without something to sense it, the universe might as well not exist. There would certainly be nothing to prove that it did.
It is a proposition, not a claim.

 

[there4eyeM]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Certainly, consciousness is the unique 'thing' the existence of which we cannot doubt.

 

[G.T.]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

It could also be conjecture, i.e. speculative claims which aren't supported.

It is not conjecture to state that without something to sense it, the universe might as well not exist. There would certainly be nothing to prove that it did.
It is a proposition, not a claim.

"Might as well not exist" assumes the existence of it has a purpose, to begin with....which is indeed conjecture. In philosophy, claims require justification to approach rationality.

 

[there4eyeM]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

It could also be conjecture, i.e. speculative claims which aren't supported.

It is not conjecture to state that without something to sense it, the universe might as well not exist. There would certainly be nothing to prove that it did.
It is a proposition, not a claim.

"Might as well not exist" assumes the existence of it has a purpose, to begin with....which is indeed conjecture. In philosophy, claims require justification to approach rationality.

I fail to see how that implies "purpose" rather than simply being present.

 

[there4eyeM]

It could have been titled "Consciousness as a possible fifth dimension". The way it was stated was meant to stimulate responses.

 

[ding]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Certainly, consciousness is the unique 'thing' the existence of which we cannot doubt.

Yes, but does it exist without material beings is the question.

 

[there4eyeM]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Certainly, consciousness is the unique 'thing' the existence of which we cannot doubt.

Yes, but does it exist without material beings is the question.

Respectfully, it is suggested to be a 'wrong' question. Yes, the words can be constructed in such a way as to pose the question, but the resolution is impossible.

 

[G.T.]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

It could also be conjecture, i.e. speculative claims which aren't supported.

It is not conjecture to state that without something to sense it, the universe might as well not exist. There would certainly be nothing to prove that it did.
It is a proposition, not a claim.

"Might as well not exist" assumes the existence of it has a purpose, to begin with....which is indeed conjecture. In philosophy, claims require justification to approach rationality.

I fail to see how that implies "purpose" rather than simply being present.

Your OP is where the notion of purpose came to mind, due to the phrasing of several of its sentences. I understand you're waxing philosophical; however, there's no meat there and that's why I'm prying.

 

[G.T.]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Certainly, consciousness is the unique 'thing' the existence of which we cannot doubt.

Yes, but does it exist without material beings is the question.

Respectfully, it is suggested to be a 'wrong' question. Yes, the words can be constructed in such a way as to pose the question, but the resolution is impossible.

Agreed.

Hey, what is your fundamental axiom?

 

[ding]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Certainly, consciousness is the unique 'thing' the existence of which we cannot doubt.

Yes, but does it exist without material beings is the question.

Respectfully, it is suggested to be a 'wrong' question. Yes, the words can be constructed in such a way as to pose the question, but the resolution is impossible.

I argue that we can, but putting that aside, what do you believe. I’m not asking you to prove it. I am asking you for your belief. Do you believe that consciousness can exist without material beings.

 

[ding]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Certainly, consciousness is the unique 'thing' the existence of which we cannot doubt.

Yes, but does it exist without material beings is the question.

Respectfully, it is suggested to be a 'wrong' question. Yes, the words can be constructed in such a way as to pose the question, but the resolution is impossible.

Agreed.

Hey, what is your fundamental axiom?

There is no such thing as a wrong question.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Time and spaced existed before man.
Homo sapiens have been in existence for about 300,000 years.
An individual's conscience is formed by their environment and culture.
Time and space exists before, during and after your individual conscience exists.

 

[G.T.]

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Certainly, consciousness is the unique 'thing' the existence of which we cannot doubt.

Yes, but does it exist without material beings is the question.

Respectfully, it is suggested to be a 'wrong' question. Yes, the words can be constructed in such a way as to pose the question, but the resolution is impossible.

Agreed.

Hey, what is your fundamental axiom?

There is no such thing as a wrong question.

Here's (another example) of why you're just hot air.

Of course, a right or wrong question depends on the goal of the conversation, and whether or not said question contributes to achieving said goal.

All you do is say dumb as shit tautological crap, like "bad behavior leads to bad outcomes" - - that's just saying "bad is bad"- and you wonder why you're a waste of time. Do you know why tautologies are vacuous? Because you're adding nothing by restating them.

 

[Taz]

If we take up/down, forward/backward, right/left and time as the four classic dimensions, consciousness can be considered as another. Without it, the others are meaningless, even arguably non-existent. Even reducing things to 'time/space', without awareness, the universe wouldn't matter. There would be nothing to notice that anything existed. To our manner of reasoning, it is almost as if consciousness exists in order to validate the universe.
This could be philosophical, it could be religious, but does not have necessarily to be either. It could be regarded as simply fundamental to reality.

Are you assuming that consciousness exists in and of itself? That it exists independent of beings that know and create? That before there were conscious beings there was consciousness?

Wasn't god conscious before your beings existed?