Dragon
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Obviously, Oddball, despite it having been explained to you many times, you still have NO CLUE what is meant by the claim that the rich DON'T "create jobs." You apparently still think it's an assertion that poor or middle class people sign the paychecks. No, it's a dispute about what the words "create jobs" mean.
Would it be a waste of time to explain it again? Probably, but hope springs eternal, so here goes.
Hiring someone is NOT "creating" a job. It's hiring someone. The job -- in the sense of something that needs doing -- has to exist BEFORE the hiring happens. It's that need that "creates" the job. What generates that need? Consumer demand. Consumers create jobs; employers hire people for the jobs that consumers create.
Practically speaking, what does this mean? It means that giving more money (by whatever means) to those who hire people does not "create jobs," it only gives them more means to hire people provided jobs have already been "created" by consumer demand -- means that they don't need, because they already have the means to hire everyone for every job that exists. But giving more money (by whatever means) to consumers DOES "create jobs," which employers will then fill by hiring people.
Employers are not hiring, not because they CAN'T, but because the jobs don't EXIST, and the employers can't "create" more jobs, because consumers, not employers, are the ones that do that.
Just recognize that the person signing your paycheck didn't "create" the job you're getting paid for, and it will all become clear. But you have to get past that hurdle first.
George Orwell - Animal Farm - Chapter II
You are making the same mistake as those animals in Mr. Orwell's book.
Would it be a waste of time to explain it again? Probably, but hope springs eternal, so here goes.
Hiring someone is NOT "creating" a job. It's hiring someone. The job -- in the sense of something that needs doing -- has to exist BEFORE the hiring happens. It's that need that "creates" the job. What generates that need? Consumer demand. Consumers create jobs; employers hire people for the jobs that consumers create.
Practically speaking, what does this mean? It means that giving more money (by whatever means) to those who hire people does not "create jobs," it only gives them more means to hire people provided jobs have already been "created" by consumer demand -- means that they don't need, because they already have the means to hire everyone for every job that exists. But giving more money (by whatever means) to consumers DOES "create jobs," which employers will then fill by hiring people.
Employers are not hiring, not because they CAN'T, but because the jobs don't EXIST, and the employers can't "create" more jobs, because consumers, not employers, are the ones that do that.
Just recognize that the person signing your paycheck didn't "create" the job you're getting paid for, and it will all become clear. But you have to get past that hurdle first.
George Orwell said:Some of the animals talked of the duty of loyalty to Mr. Jones, whom they referred to as "Master," or made elementary remarks such as "Mr. Jones feeds us. If he were gone, we should starve to death."
George Orwell - Animal Farm - Chapter II
You are making the same mistake as those animals in Mr. Orwell's book.