Confedrate history about race?

[editec]

In the 1870s and 1880s, the decoration of Confederate graves with flowers and flags and celebratory speeches and parades increasingly signaled a commitment to what came to be called the "Lost Cause," a decidedly partisan and self-consciously politicized account of the Civil War.

Confederate history is about race - CNN.com

Apologists seeking to turn their treasonous war FOR SLAVERY into something noble like States Rights.

The only RIGHT they really cared about was having and advancing slavery, of course.

 

[bodecea]

In the 1870s and 1880s, the decoration of Confederate graves with flowers and flags and celebratory speeches and parades increasingly signaled a commitment to what came to be called the "Lost Cause," a decidedly partisan and self-consciously politicized account of the Civil War.

Confederate history is about race - CNN.com

Apologists seeking to turn their treasonous war FOR SLAVERY into something noble like States Rights.

The only RIGHT they really cared about was having and advancing slavery, of course.

Furthermore, the "Lost Cause" supporters were the ones creating the KKK. That was NOTHING about race, was it?

 

[bodecea]

Actually a republic does work that way if the minority's inalienable rights had not been violated. No such violations occurred. The minority tried to unconstitionally, unethically, illegally, and immorally tried to force its way on the majority, then resorted to violence. The southern leaders were very, very lucky they were not put against the wall and shot in every secesh town in the South.

You don't think you have an inalienable right to the fruits of your labor, and not have those taken and used for the benefit of others?

The fruits of YOUR labor?

 

[Zona]

It's amazing how most people forget or are simply ignorant about the negroes that had also fought and died for the Southern cause.

What were they supposed to do? They had to fight for that side. Get it? It is disingenous for you to actually think they wanted to fight for that side. Do you honestly think they enjoyed slavery?

How many times have you heard about a freed slave fighting for that side?

 

[Zona]

It's amazing how most people forget or are simply ignorant about the negroes that had also fought and died for the Southern cause.

What were they supposed to do? They had to fight for that side. It is disingenuous for you to actually think they wanted to fight for that side.

How many times have you heard about a freed slave fighting for that side?

 

[Zona]

It's a possibility since they lived in a time when they did not have a voice. They could not speak up for themselves and the family dog was treated better than they were. So if the master told them they had to fight in that war, what would their answer be but, "Yeah, massah".?

Its fucking insulting when someone says those black soldiers fought for slavery on a volunteer basis. They were ordered by their masters to do that. What were they supposed to do? Say no and be killed is the answer.

 

[Zona]

Do you think those slaves were ordered to fight for their masters?

Or perhaps they wanted to defend their homes and families from the northern troops who were robbing, raping, and murdering them.

They didnt OWN a home and were already being raped, robbed and murdered by their fucking owners.

You ass.

 

[paperview]

Someone mentioned free blacks who may have been fighting for the southern cause earlier.

I wanted to address this.

After Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation President Jefferson Davis of the Confederacy issued

In a broadside dated January 5, 1863, and published at Richmond ---> an image of that broadside: ---->http://international.loc.gov/rbc/rbpe/rbpe18/rbpe187/18702100/001dr.jpg

"An Address To the People of the Free States by the President of the Southern Confederacy..."

"...all free Negroes in the Southern Confederacy shall be placed on the slave status, and deemed to be chattels, they and their issue forever."

So EVEN THE FREE BLACKS AFTER 1863 WERE NO LONGER FREE!
Even their children and children's children were bonded into slavery FOREVER!

These were, prior to 1863, FREE BLACKS in the South.

Wanna tell me again how the Free Blacks fought for the cause, or that it wasn't about slavery -- and that the Institution itself was "on its way out???"

Go head. Try if you can.

 

[paperview]

Moreover, in that broadside, Davis proclaimed that all Negroes who were captured in states where slavery did not exist were to be adjudged to occupy the status of slaves,

"...so that the respective normal condition of the white and black races may be ultimately placed on a permanent basis."

Any of these neo-confederates starts to tell you the South had any intention of before, during the war, or long after - of getting rid of slavery - or allowing it to "die out" Remind them of this declaration by the Confederate President, Jefferson Davis.

 

[paperview]

States' rights was merely a theme of the Civil War. Read Vice-president Stepehns "Cornerstone Speech" from March 1861, which clearly subordinates states rights to slavery.

Not only did the Vice President say it - so did the President of the Confederacy.

That broadside I just posted about also said:

"...it ought not to be considered polemically or politically improper in me to vindicate the position which has been at an early day of this Southern republic, assumed by the Confederacy, namely, that slavery is the corner stone of a Western republic."

The CORNERSTONE.

By BOTH the VP and P.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It's amazing how most people forget or are simply ignorant about the negroes that had also fought and died for the Southern cause.

What were they supposed to do? They had to fight for that side. Get it? It is disingenous for you to actually think they wanted to fight for that side. Do you honestly think they enjoyed slavery?

How many times have you heard about a freed slave fighting for that side?

You're a dumbass.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

States' rights was merely a theme of the Civil War. Read Vice-president Stepehns "Cornerstone Speech" from March 1861, which clearly subordinates states rights to slavery.

Read President Jefferson Davis' Inaugural Address, which doesn't even mention slavery.

 

[bodecea]

It's amazing how most people forget or are simply ignorant about the negroes that had also fought and died for the Southern cause.

What were they supposed to do? They had to fight for that side. Get it? It is disingenous for you to actually think they wanted to fight for that side. Do you honestly think they enjoyed slavery?

How many times have you heard about a freed slave fighting for that side?

You're a dumbass.

Yet not as dumb as someone who went on about photos of black Union soldiers and saying they were black Confederate soldiers when anyone can see whose uniforms they were wearing.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Actually a republic does work that way if the minority's inalienable rights had not been violated. No such violations occurred. The minority tried to unconstitionally, unethically, illegally, and immorally tried to force its way on the majority, then resorted to violence. The southern leaders were very, very lucky they were not put against the wall and shot in every secesh town in the South.

You don't think you have an inalienable right to the fruits of your labor, and not have those taken and used for the benefit of others?

The fruits of YOUR labor?

Once again, slave-owners were a minority in the south and the tariffs hurt everyone.

 

[bodecea]

States' rights was merely a theme of the Civil War. Read Vice-president Stepehns "Cornerstone Speech" from March 1861, which clearly subordinates states rights to slavery.

Read President Jefferson Davis' Inaugural Address, which doesn't even mention slavery.

So...that means slavery didn't exist, right?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Do you think those slaves were ordered to fight for their masters?

Or perhaps they wanted to defend their homes and families from the northern troops who were robbing, raping, and murdering them.

They didnt OWN a home and were already being raped, robbed and murdered by their fucking owners.

You ass.

Wow, when you put it like that it really puts things into perspective.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What were they supposed to do? They had to fight for that side. Get it? It is disingenous for you to actually think they wanted to fight for that side. Do you honestly think they enjoyed slavery?

How many times have you heard about a freed slave fighting for that side?

You're a dumbass.

Yet not as dumb as someone who went on about photos of black Union soldiers and saying they were black Confederate soldiers when anyone can see whose uniforms they were wearing.

I see you're still whining.

 

[bodecea]

You don't think you have an inalienable right to the fruits of your labor, and not have those taken and used for the benefit of others?

The fruits of YOUR labor?

Once again, slave-owners were a minority in the south and the tariffs hurt everyone.

The slave-holders were a minority in number only...they held almost all the political and social power....and perhaps you'd like to go on and on about the fruits of THEIR labor again?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

States' rights was merely a theme of the Civil War. Read Vice-president Stepehns "Cornerstone Speech" from March 1861, which clearly subordinates states rights to slavery.

Read President Jefferson Davis' Inaugural Address, which doesn't even mention slavery.

So...that means slavery didn't exist, right?

When have I denied the existence of slavery, or the evil of slavery, in this thread? Come on now.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The fruits of YOUR labor?

Once again, slave-owners were a minority in the south and the tariffs hurt everyone.

The slave-holders were a minority in number only...they held almost all the political and social power....and perhaps you'd like to go on and on about the fruits of THEIR labor again?

I have absolutely no problem defending the rights of the people to the fruit of their labor, once again making the point that slave-owners were a minority which you acknowledged. This means that a majority of those harmed by the tariffs were not slave-owners, and thus had a right to the fruits of their labor. Trying to lump me in as some supporter of slavery is quite dishonest of you.