Compulsory Health Insurance

[Oldandtired]

Social Security

Nope. I can opt to not work.
Next?

yeah - right

Great response.

 

[Ravi]

And you have the choice to use a homeless shelter.....you are NOT mandated to pay money for shelter.

You can do your best to punch holes in what I am saying...but you can not.

This is the first time in our history that an individual is mandated to purchase soemthing...a mandate that is levied the second they are born and carried through to the day that they die....with the only choice being to leave America....and that choice does not come into play until they are 18 years of age.

Are we ready for such a precedent to be set?

If you don't have money to purchase insurance you can use Medicaid...that's not going to change. You can't get money out of a homeless person. I really think you're going overboard. We are mandated to do all kinds of things.

You are tossing "income" into this. That is irrelevant. Who are you to determine if my income is enough for me to secure a safe life for myself where I can also buy health insurance? WHo are you to determine whether or not I am concerned about losing my job and FOOD is more impoortant to me than healthcare?

And please...offer me ONE SINGLE GOVERNMENT MANDATE that forces me to spend my money.

NAME ONE...dont simply say there are many.

You're the one that brought income into it. If you don't earn income....you don't pay taxes. If you don't earn income...you also don't have a way to purchase insurance. So the "mandate" ... if there really is one...cannot be enforced if you don't earn income.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Nope. I can opt to not work.
Next?

yeah - right

Great response.

it's just as good as yours.

silly semantic BS.
Click your heels three times and wish your lil' heart away.

 

[Ravi]

And please...offer me ONE SINGLE GOVERNMENT MANDATE that forces me to spend my money.

Social Security

Nope. I can opt to not work.
Next?

You can also opt to not be an American. *poof* there goes your mandate.

 

[Oldandtired]

If you don't have money to purchase insurance you can use Medicaid...that's not going to change. You can't get money out of a homeless person. I really think you're going overboard. We are mandated to do all kinds of things.

You are tossing "income" into this. That is irrelevant. Who are you to determine if my income is enough for me to secure a safe life for myself where I can also buy health insurance? WHo are you to determine whether or not I am concerned about losing my job and FOOD is more impoortant to me than healthcare?

And please...offer me ONE SINGLE GOVERNMENT MANDATE that forces me to spend my money.

NAME ONE...dont simply say there are many.

You're the one that brought income into it. If you don't earn income....you don't pay taxes. If you don't earn income...you also don't have a way to purchase insurance. So the "mandate" ... if there really is one...cannot be enforced if you don't earn income.

You are tying two different things together.....

So we can go this way.

I am disabled and the only living child of my father who left me JUST ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE.

I do not work, I do not pay taxes......

You need to stop punching holes in what I am saying....it is valid and has been a debate amongst my peirs for months....and believe me...I am a legal idiot compared to some of these guys and women.......they are correct....this is HISTORIC if passsed.

 

[Ravi]

if you don't buy it then its a 250K fine and up to 5 years in the pen.

Incorrect...If you do not report yourself as one who refuses to buy insurance, and thus not pay the penalty, you are subject to a 250,000 fine and up to 5 years....

And wait until you see the COP clause that will NEED to be put into it....

COP? Citizens on Patrol.....offered incentives to report those that refuse to insure themselves.

It will get quite ugly.

Now you've become a raving lunatic.

Have a nice day.

 

[nodoginnafight]

if you opt not to work - if you opt to be destitute then you don't have to purchase insurance either - poof - no mandate. So there is no "first to make me spend my money mandate."

AS I said - silly semantic BS.

 

[Oldandtired]

Social Security

Nope. I can opt to not work.
Next?

You can also opt to not be an American. *poof* there goes your mandate.

a two week old can not make that decision.....but a two week old MUST be insured by law.

Not gonna kill what I am saying...maybe if you watched REAL NEWS you would be aware of the fact that this is one of the PRIMARY concerns amongst the legal community.

But please...continue watching the news that does not want you to know what they do not want you to know.

 

[SFC Ollie]

No...we are ALL vicrtims....For the first time government will be able to mandate you buy soimething every year for the length of your life.

It is setting a precedent that contradicts the whole idea of our republic to begin with.

You realize of course, that the "model" for this is compulsory auto insurance. Never mind that you don't need to buy auto insurance if you don't own an auto...

You mean like you wouldn't need to buy health insurance if you don't want to be a US resident? As long as we're quibbling over unrealistic choices, isn't that a "choice" too?

Sure; you are always free to leave anytime your heart desires.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Nope. I can opt to not work.
Next?

You can also opt to not be an American. *poof* there goes your mandate.

a two week old can not make that decision.....but a two week old MUST be insured by law.

Not gonna kill what I am saying...maybe if you watched REAL NEWS you would be aware of the fact that this is one of the PRIMARY concerns amongst the legal community.

But please...continue watching the news that does not want you to know what they do not want you to know.

Oh your saying that there is a mandate to make a two-week old spend THEIR money on health insurance?????????????

Repeat after me - silly semantic BS.

 

[Oddball]

Sure; you are always free to leave anytime your heart desires.

Not so.

Try leaving without permission, i.e. a passport.

 

[namvet]

if you don't buy it then its a 250K fine and up to 5 years in the pen.

Incorrect...If you do not report yourself as one who refuses to buy insurance, and thus not pay the penalty, you are subject to a 250,000 fine and up to 5 years....

And wait until you see the COP clause that will NEED to be put into it....

COP? Citizens on Patrol.....offered incentives to report those that refuse to insure themselves.

It will get quite ugly.

isn't that what i just said???

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

your neatly boxed in here.

 

[Oddball]

You can also opt to not be an American. *poof* there goes your mandate.

a two week old can not make that decision.....but a two week old MUST be insured by law.

Not gonna kill what I am saying...maybe if you watched REAL NEWS you would be aware of the fact that this is one of the PRIMARY concerns amongst the legal community.

But please...continue watching the news that does not want you to know what they do not want you to know.

Oh your saying that there is a mandate to make a two-week old spend THEIR money on health insurance?????????????

Repeat after me - silly semantic BS.

No less silly semantic BS than that which gets shoveled every time socialists whine and cry about "chillldrreeennn living in poverty".

 

[namvet]

You realize of course, that the "model" for this is compulsory auto insurance. Never mind that you don't need to buy auto insurance if you don't own an auto...

You mean like you wouldn't need to buy health insurance if you don't want to be a US resident? As long as we're quibbling over unrealistic choices, isn't that a "choice" too?

Sure; you are always free to leave anytime your heart desires.

my arrangements were made last nov

 

[Ravi]

if you don't buy it then its a 250K fine and up to 5 years in the pen.

Incorrect...If you do not report yourself as one who refuses to buy insurance, and thus not pay the penalty, you are subject to a 250,000 fine and up to 5 years....

And wait until you see the COP clause that will NEED to be put into it....

COP? Citizens on Patrol.....offered incentives to report those that refuse to insure themselves.

It will get quite ugly.

isn't that what i just said???

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

your neatly boxed in here.

Ah...Jesus...this isn't true, we debunked it weeks ago when MidnightMaurader tried to pull the same bullshit.

You people are fucktards.

 

[Ravi]

You mean like you wouldn't need to buy health insurance if you don't want to be a US resident? As long as we're quibbling over unrealistic choices, isn't that a "choice" too?

Sure; you are always free to leave anytime your heart desires.

my arrangements were made last nov

Good. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[saveliberty]

I need the form to register as an illegal alien. It seems to be the preferred status for living in the US.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Obama needs some pointers.

 

[nodoginnafight]

a two week old can not make that decision.....but a two week old MUST be insured by law.

Not gonna kill what I am saying...maybe if you watched REAL NEWS you would be aware of the fact that this is one of the PRIMARY concerns amongst the legal community.

But please...continue watching the news that does not want you to know what they do not want you to know.

Oh your saying that there is a mandate to make a two-week old spend THEIR money on health insurance?????????????

Repeat after me - silly semantic BS.

No less silly semantic BS than that which gets shoveled every time socialists whine and cry about "chillldrreeennn living in poverty".

No one side of the aisle and no one political ideology has a monopoly on silly semantic BS.

 

[Ravi]

Obama needs some pointers.