Communist California to require Solar Panels on all new homes

[Rustic]

Yes and no - often people and economies are not very good at long term planning.

It's why we need Social Security and Medicare and why buttom dollar chasing builders need to be regulated.

$20,000 for a system is hardly a bottom dollar builder....

Fucking rip-off

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes and no - often people and economies are not very good at long term planning.

It's why we need Social Security and Medicare and why buttom dollar chasing builders need to be regulated.

$20,000 for a system is hardly a bottom dollar builder....

And that's with taxpayers paying a good portion of it.

 

[Rustic]

Lol
Free unlimited energy... fucking pie in the sky

 

[Timmy]

I think it's smart governing.

Solar panels pay for themselfs in cheaper electrical bills and if you roll up-front cost into mortgage you'll probably not be paying more than for the same house without solar.

In your opinion, There is no guarantee. No one should be forced into horse shit...

Solar output is very stable on annual basis.

Not up here in the northern plain states, Renewables are costly, inefficient and unreliable up here in the northern plains states.
Crazy Cali can do what they want I guess, just don’t expect other states too follow suit.

WIthout gov backing you’d probably wouldn’t have much of any energy grid .

 

[AntonToo]

I think it's smart governing.

Solar panels pay for themselfs in cheaper electrical bills and if you roll up-front cost into mortgage you'll probably not be paying more than for the same house without solar.

In your opinion, There is no guarantee. No one should be forced into horse shit...

Solar output is very stable on annual basis.

Not up here in the northern plain states, Renewables are costly, inefficient and unreliable up here in the northern plains states.
Crazy Cali can do what they want I guess, just don’t expect other states too follow suit.

Well of course cost-benefit analisys is going to be different depending on climate and energy market.

I just got solar here in not-so-sunny New York and with Fed and State incentives it was an offer I coudn't refuse.

 

[saveliberty]

If you are a perfectly average American living in a perfectly average household, your monthly electricity bill will read 911 kilowatt hours (kWh), which costs $114.May 22, 2014

911 per month divided by 30 days per month is 30 kilowatts per day. You own a 8 kilowatt per day system...

 

[Flopper]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Government tell you how much insulation you must have, the number of electric outlets, type of pipes and wiring you must use, depth of a cellar, the height of a roof, the size of the house on a lot, etc.... State housing laws and local building codes are about what is best for the community, not the owner. Owners change but the buildings remains.

Why should the community dictate what kind of house you live in? For example, those tiny houses that are all the rage violate most zoning laws.

I own a house in a community where, you can't have a house with less than 2,000 sq. ft. You can't build a wall higher than 4 feet. You can't have an out building. You can't have a shingle roof and you can't add a second floor if it blocks the view of any owner. It's all about the community.

 

[saveliberty]

$114 per month divided by 911 kilowatts is about 11 cents, you expect people to pay $2.50 to 3.50 per kilowatt....

 

[Timmy]

I think it's smart governing.

Solar panels pay for themselfs in cheaper electrical bills and if you roll up-front cost into mortgage you'll probably not be paying more than for the same house without solar.

In your opinion, There is no guarantee. No one should be forced into horse shit...

Solar output is very stable on annual basis.

Not up here in the northern plain states, Renewables are costly, inefficient and unreliable up here in the northern plains states.
Crazy Cali can do what they want I guess, just don’t expect other states too follow suit.

Well of course cost-benefit analisys is going to be different depending on climate.

I got solar here in New York, with Fed and State incentives it was an offer I coudn't refuse.

Off the coast of Mass there is constant wind . Windmills make more sense here.

A lot of capped garbage dumps have been turned into solar farms .

 

[saveliberty]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Government tell you how much insulation you must have, the number of electric outlets, type of pipes and wiring you must use, depth of a cellar, the height of a roof, the size of the house on a lot, etc.... State housing laws and local building codes are about what is best for the community, not the owner. Owners change but the buildings remains.

Why should the community dictate what kind of house you live in? For example, those tiny houses that are all the rage violate most zoning laws.

I own a house in a community where, you can't have a house with less than 2,000 sq. ft. You can't build a wall higher than 4 feet. You can't have an out building. You can't have a shingle roof and you can't add a second floor if it blocks the view of any owner. It's all about the community.

That is racist. It creatively limits minority home owners.

 

[Flopper]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Government tell you how much insulation you must have, the number of electric outlets, type of pipes and wiring you must use, depth of a cellar, the height of a roof, the size of the house on a lot, etc.... State housing laws and local building codes are about what is best for the community, not the owner. Owners change but the buildings remains.

Why should the community dictate what kind of house you live in? For example, those tiny houses that are all the rage violate most zoning laws.

I own a house in a community where, you can't have a house with less than 2,000 sq. ft. You can't build a wall higher than 4 feet. You can't have an out building. You can't have a shingle roof and you can't add a second floor if it blocks the view of any owner. It's all about the community.

That is racist. It creatively limits minority home owners.

It's also unfair to dogs. You can't have dog house.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think it's smart governing.

Solar panels pay for themselfs in cheaper electrical bills and if you roll up-front cost into mortgage you'll probably not be paying more than for the same house without solar.

In your opinion, There is no guarantee. No one should be forced into horse shit...

Solar output is very stable on annual basis.

Not up here in the northern plain states, Renewables are costly, inefficient and unreliable up here in the northern plains states.
Crazy Cali can do what they want I guess, just don’t expect other states too follow suit.

Well of course cost-benefit analisys is going to be different depending on climate.

I got solar here in New York, with Fed and State incentives it was an offer I coudn't refuse.

Off the coast of Mass there is constant wind . Windmills make more sense here.

A lot of capped garbage dumps have been turned into solar farms .

We get more wind here than anybody, and they still haven't built any huge windmills for public electric power. They've been talking about it for years, but no action. It's simply not cost effective.

 

[saveliberty]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Government tell you how much insulation you must have, the number of electric outlets, type of pipes and wiring you must use, depth of a cellar, the height of a roof, the size of the house on a lot, etc.... State housing laws and local building codes are about what is best for the community, not the owner. Owners change but the buildings remains.

Why should the community dictate what kind of house you live in? For example, those tiny houses that are all the rage violate most zoning laws.

I own a house in a community where, you can't have a house with less than 2,000 sq. ft. You can't build a wall higher than 4 feet. You can't have an out building. You can't have a shingle roof and you can't add a second floor if it blocks the view of any owner. It's all about the community.

That is racist. It creatively limits minority home owners.

It's also unfair to dogs. You can't have dog house.

As a cat, I see an upside.

 

[saveliberty]

My point with the figures was solar is about a factor of 30 away from economic viability.

 

[bripat9643]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Nonsense.

Regulatory policies are enacted by elected officials reflecting the will of the majority of the people.

If the people object to a given policy, they are at liberty to petition the government to change that policy, or to otherwise remove from office those elected officials who enacted the policy.

It’s called a republican form of government, nothing ‘communist’ about it.

Na, Socialism is all about controlling people you disagree with and forcing them into a living hell...

That makes non sense .

Buffer zones aren’t about “controlling people “. They are about minimizing damage from wildfires . Damage we all end up paying for .

The same government that imposes "buffer zones" prevents home owners from cleary dry brush away from near their homes.

Buffer zones are about controlling people.

 

[bripat9643]

I think it's smart governing.

Solar panels pay for themselfs in cheaper electrical bills and if you roll up-front cost into mortgage you'll probably not be paying more than for the same house without solar.

In your opinion, There is no guarantee. No one should be forced into horse shit...

Solar output is very stable on annual basis.

Unfortunately we all froze to death when the sun didn't come out for a week.

 

[AntonToo]

$114 per month divided by 911 kilowatts is about 11 cents, you expect people to pay $2.50 to 3.50 per kilowatt....

lol, you got your ratesmixed up and are comparing kW/month to kW/day

$3/30 = 10 cents

 

[Markle]

Regulatory policies are enacted by elected officials reflecting the will of the majority of the people.

You're joking, right? Being facetious?

 

[saveliberty]

$114 per month divided by 911 kilowatts is about 11 cents, you expect people to pay $2.50 to 3.50 per kilowatt....

lol, you got your ratesmixed up and are comparing kW/month to kW/day

Gee, I took the monthly kilowatts consumed and divided it by a monthly bill. Talk about mixed up.

 

[bripat9643]

I think it's smart governing.

Solar panels pay for themselfs in cheaper electrical bills and if you roll up-front cost into mortgage you'll probably not be paying more than for the same house without solar.

In your opinion, There is no guarantee. No one should be forced into horse shit...

Solar output is very stable on annual basis.

Not up here in the northern plain states, Renewables are costly, inefficient and unreliable up here in the northern plains states.
Crazy Cali can do what they want I guess, just don’t expect other states too follow suit.

WIthout gov backing you’d probably wouldn’t have much of any energy grid .

The energy grid was entirely privately financed. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.