Common bacteria converts seaweed to ethanol

[RollingThunder]

And ethanol could never ever supplant the 20 million barrels of crude that we use each day in the U.S.

And the reason for that is just what exactly???? Are you imagining that there is a big shortage of seaweed?

Seaweed that is convertable to energy?

There is probably not enough naturally occurring seaweed in any place to make a viable energy industry out of it.

Possibly they could farm it.

But that would, no doubt, come with its own unpleasant blowback.

Do you live in the middle of the continent? It seems like you've never seen the ocean. I live along the coast and I can assure you there is no shortage of seaweed. In fact, there is far more seaweed in the oceans than you are apparently capable of imagining. Your objections are nonsense.

Seaweed
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Uses

Seaweed has a variety of purposes, for which it is farmed[3] or foraged from the wild.[4]

At the beginning of 2011, Indonesia produced 3 millions tonnes of seaweed and surpassed Philippines as the world's largest seaweed producer. By 2012 the production will hit 10 million tonnes.[5]

 

[westwall]

And the reason for that is just what exactly???? Are you imagining that there is a big shortage of seaweed?

Seaweed that is convertable to energy?

There is probably not enough naturally occurring seaweed in any place to make a viable energy industry out of it.

Possibly they could farm it.

But that would, no doubt, come with its own unpleasant blowback.

Do you live in the middle of the continent? It seems like you've never seen the ocean. I live along the coast and I can assure you there is no shortage of seaweed. In fact, there is far more seaweed in the oceans than you are apparently capable of imagining. Your objections are nonsense.

Seaweed
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Uses

Seaweed has a variety of purposes, for which it is farmed[3] or foraged from the wild.[4]

At the beginning of 2011, Indonesia produced 3 millions tonnes of seaweed and surpassed Philippines as the world's largest seaweed producer. By 2012 the production will hit 10 million tonnes.[5]

Ooooohh looky there, 13 million tons worldwide. yep that's a viable alternative for coal And let's see here how many tons of coal gets burned a day???? Hmmm, oh looky here 2.87 MILLION TONS OF COAL ARE USED PER DAY IN THE US alone. And you think seaweed is going to supplant that?


You are too funny dude, too funny!

 

[RollingThunder]

Seaweed that is convertable to energy?

There is probably not enough naturally occurring seaweed in any place to make a viable energy industry out of it.

Possibly they could farm it.

But that would, no doubt, come with its own unpleasant blowback.

Do you live in the middle of the continent? It seems like you've never seen the ocean. I live along the coast and I can assure you there is no shortage of seaweed. In fact, there is far more seaweed in the oceans than you are apparently capable of imagining. Your objections are nonsense.

Seaweed
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Uses

Seaweed has a variety of purposes, for which it is farmed[3] or foraged from the wild.[4]

At the beginning of 2011, Indonesia produced 3 millions tonnes of seaweed and surpassed Philippines as the world's largest seaweed producer. By 2012 the production will hit 10 million tonnes.[5]

Ooooohh looky there, 13 million tons worldwide. yep that's a viable alternative for coal And let's see here how many tons of coal gets burned a day???? Hmmm, oh looky here 2.87 MILLION TONS OF COAL ARE USED PER DAY IN THE US alone. And you think seaweed is going to supplant that?

You are too funny dude, too funny!

You are too retarded, dude, toooooooo retarded!!!

What is being harvested now is intended for the Asian food market, not fuel, dumbass. I posted that to demonstrate that even a couple of relatively small and somewhat backward countries can easily harvest very large quantities of seaweed. It requires no land, grows naturally and is virtually unlimited.

If this seaweed sugar conversion technology gets developed, countries with coastlines rich in seaweed will harvest far, far larger quantities than the current food use market could ever support, numbnuts.

As for your idiotic straw-man argument.....well....it's just what we've all come to expect from a moronic corporate propaganda pusher and mental masturbator like you. Nobody is suggesting that the world convert from fossil fuels to entirely seaweed bio-fuel. Even if fully developed, this particular part of the bio-fuel component will probably never be more than a small part of the new energy economy. Bio fuels like this are not intended to replace all or even any of the coal now produced. Rather, they are intended to replace, at a lower cost and with less environmental damage, some portion of the petro oil used for fuel. Other renewable energy technologies, like solar, wind and ocean power, will be what replaces the coal fired power plants. You are such an ignorant retard, walleyed.

 

[westwall]

Do you live in the middle of the continent? It seems like you've never seen the ocean. I live along the coast and I can assure you there is no shortage of seaweed. In fact, there is far more seaweed in the oceans than you are apparently capable of imagining. Your objections are nonsense.

Seaweed
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Uses

Seaweed has a variety of purposes, for which it is farmed[3] or foraged from the wild.[4]

At the beginning of 2011, Indonesia produced 3 millions tonnes of seaweed and surpassed Philippines as the world's largest seaweed producer. By 2012 the production will hit 10 million tonnes.[5]

Ooooohh looky there, 13 million tons worldwide. yep that's a viable alternative for coal And let's see here how many tons of coal gets burned a day???? Hmmm, oh looky here 2.87 MILLION TONS OF COAL ARE USED PER DAY IN THE US alone. And you think seaweed is going to supplant that?

You are too funny dude, too funny!

You are too retarded, dude, toooooooo retarded!!!

What is being harvested now is intended for the Asian food market, not fuel, dumbass. I posted that to demonstrate that even a couple of relatively small and somewhat backward countries can easily harvest very large quantities of seaweed. It requires no land, grows naturally and is virtually unlimited.

If this seaweed sugar conversion technology gets developed, countries with coastlines rich in seaweed will harvest far, far larger quantities than the current food use market could ever support, numbnuts.

As for your idiotic straw-man argument.....well....it's just what we've all come to expect from a moronic corporate propaganda pusher and mental masturbator like you. Nobody is suggesting that the world convert from fossil fuels to entirely seaweed bio-fuel. Even if fully developed, this particular part of the bio-fuel component will probably never be more than a small part of the new energy economy. Bio fuels like this are not intended to replace all or even any of the coal now produced. Rather, they are intended to replace, at a lower cost and with less environmental damage, some portion of the petro oil used for fuel. Other renewable energy technologies, like solar, wind and ocean power, will be what replaces the coal fired power plants. You are such an ignorant retard, walleyed.

Here's a little test for you silly person. Figure out just how much you have to scale up the operation and figure out just how much more space you would need to farm to simply meet the US's needs. Furthermore you think the environmental impact for oil shale is bad? Try doing ANYTHING in the ocean.

 

[RollingThunder]

Ooooohh looky there, 13 million tons worldwide. yep that's a viable alternative for coal And let's see here how many tons of coal gets burned a day???? Hmmm, oh looky here 2.87 MILLION TONS OF COAL ARE USED PER DAY IN THE US alone. And you think seaweed is going to supplant that?

You are too funny dude, too funny!

You are too retarded, dude, toooooooo retarded!!!

What is being harvested now is intended for the Asian food market, not fuel, dumbass. I posted that to demonstrate that even a couple of relatively small and somewhat backward countries can easily harvest very large quantities of seaweed. It requires no land, grows naturally and is virtually unlimited.

If this seaweed sugar conversion technology gets developed, countries with coastlines rich in seaweed will harvest far, far larger quantities than the current food use market could ever support, numbnuts.

As for your idiotic straw-man argument.....well....it's just what we've all come to expect from a moronic corporate propaganda pusher and mental masturbator like you. Nobody is suggesting that the world convert from fossil fuels to entirely seaweed bio-fuel. Even if fully developed, this particular part of the bio-fuel component will probably never be more than a small part of the new energy economy. Bio fuels like this are not intended to replace all or even any of the coal now produced. Rather, they are intended to replace, at a lower cost and with less environmental damage, some portion of the petro oil used for fuel. Other renewable energy technologies, like solar, wind and ocean power, will be what replaces the coal fired power plants. You are such an ignorant retard, walleyed.

Here's a little test for you silly person. Figure out just how much you have to scale up the operation and figure out just how much more space you would need to farm to simply meet the US's needs. Furthermore you think the environmental impact for oil shale is bad? Try doing ANYTHING in the ocean.

More meaningless nonsense from the Walleyed Barron of BullShit.

"Space to farm"???? Are you so completely around the bend that you think that seaweed is grown on land??? Good lord but you are retarded!!! Seaweed is found in the surface layers of the world's oceans over most of the planet from the tropics to the polar regions and the oceans have a surface area of almost 140,000,000 square miles. Big mats of it could fairly easily be towed to shoreline processing plants, if this technology gets fully developed. Seaweed is not at all scarce.

Many people have been working for some time now to develop ways to convert seaweed to fuel. Some seaweeds have enough oils in them to be successfully turned into biodiesel and there have been earlier techniques for making it into ethanol. The development reported in the OP just happens to be the latest promising advance in this field. Too bad your idiotic ideological blinders keep you so ignorant about all this, walleyed.


Seaweed Power: Ireland Taps New Energy Source
Earth News : Discovery News
June 23, 2008
(excerpts)

Ireland could become a key player in the production of biofuel from seaweed, scientists told a conference in the west of the country on Monday. Seaweed has long been investigated as a potential source of bioethanol, which is typically made from crops such as sugar cane and corn, but technological barriers remain to its commercial use. With rich seaweed resources, "Ireland is poised to become an important player in the next generation of biofuel production," said Stefan Kraan, head of the Irish Seaweed Center at the National University of Ireland in Galway. "Algae do not have the negative image of terrestrial biomass resources, which are said to be responsible for higher food prices, impacting on water use, biodiversity and destruction of rain forest," he said. Professor Michael A. Borowitzka from Murdoch University in Australia told the conference that compared to other bioenergy crops such as rapeseed, peanut or palm oil, there are a number of species of algae that have a higher oil content and can grow in seawater.


[ame="http://www.amazon.com/dp/3639153073"]Seaweed Biofuels: Production of Biogas and Bioethanol from Brown Macroalgae[/ame] [Paperback]
Svein Jarle Horn (Author)
Amazon.com

Book Description
Publication Date: May 20, 2009
Our modern society?s high dependence on fossil fuels is problematic because of climate change, energy security and depletion of finite energy resources. There is currently a strong demand to develop biofuels as a sustainable alternative. However, food and biofuel production may compete for the same crop land. Thus, the focus should be on ?second generation? biofuels which are produced from non- food biomass. In this regard cultivation of seaweeds as an energy crop has a great potential. This book shows how bioethanol and biogas can be produced from brown seaweeds using fermentation and anaerobic degradation processes. The potential of large scale cultivation of macroalgae for biofuel production is discussed, and ideas for future research are presented. The book also has an epilogue where the transition away from fossil fuels is analysed using Ken Wilber's integral framework. This book is the definite reference for everybody interested in utilising seaweeds for bioenergy production.

 

[Mr. H.]

Jiggs is that you?

 

[RollingThunder]

Jiggs is that you?

Are you really this retarded, Mr Horseshit?

 

[westwall]

Jiggs is that you?

Are you really this retarded, Mr Horseshit?

Nobody can get as retarded as you Mr. rational boy. I think you take the cake in any contest of low intellectual capacity.

So have you bothered to figure out just how difficult that kelp growing is? How is Ireland doing with that now that two years have passed since that article? Hmm, got anything more current?

 

[RollingThunder]

Jiggs is that you?

Are you really this retarded, Mr Horseshit?

So have you bothered to figure out just how difficult that kelp growing is?

Kelp grows naturally in the oceans without any help, Mr Retardo, so the 'difficulty' factor is pretty much zero.

 

[bripat9643]

The federal government has provided an estimated $837 billion for energy development
since 1950, according to a recent report. That includes money for tax concessions,
for research and development, and the value of regulations (such as exemptions from price controls).

"Tax concessions" means they didn't imposes heavy taxes on oil. That isn't a subsidy any more than not imposing a heavy tax on clothing is a "concession" to clothing. "Research and development" are business expenses for every kind of business in America. Every business gets to deduct them because they constitute part of the IRS definition of "income." These deductions do not constitute a "subsidy" of any kind.

"Exemptions from price controls" is also not a subsidy. Virtually nothing has price controls on it, so is everything being subsidized?

The liberal definition of a "subsidy" is so bogus that the government doing absolutely nothing qualifies.

As suspected in the case of all liberal claims about government subsidies to business, this claim turns out to be a total complete fucking lie.

If they're getting breaks, somebody has to subsidize the shortfall. Are we trying to get back to a balanced budget or aren't we?

They aren't getting any "breaks." Even if they were, a tax break doesn't constitute a subsidy. The latter is when government writes you a check. Liberals want to define everything short of complete expropriation as a "subsidy." They can't justify their nefarious schemes to fleece the taxpayers otherwise.

 

[westwall]

Are you really this retarded, Mr Horseshit?

So have you bothered to figure out just how difficult that kelp growing is?

Kelp grows naturally in the oceans without any help, Mr Retardo, so the 'difficulty' factor is pretty much zero.

Oh goody Mr. dingbat delusional rational boy thinks kelp just grows everywhere. Take a look at the globe and show us where all that kelp is actually growing. Don't be too long boyo.

 

[RollingThunder]

So have you bothered to figure out just how difficult that kelp growing is?

Kelp grows naturally in the oceans without any help, Mr Retardo, so the 'difficulty' factor is pretty much zero.

Oh goody Mr. dingbat delusional rational boy thinks kelp just grows everywhere. Take a look at the globe and show us where all that kelp is actually growing. Don't be too long boyo.

The OP is about a process to convert seaweed to ethanol. Kelp is one form of seaweed and there are many others. Seaweed organisms grow from the surface down for many meters deep over very large areas of the world's oceans. Are you retardedly claiming that that isn't true or that seaweed is scarce or needs to be 'farmed' or requires any of the work and materials that crops on land require like water, fertilizer, and, for that matter, land area. C'mon walleyed, show us just how very retarded you are.

 

[westwall]

Kelp grows naturally in the oceans without any help, Mr Retardo, so the 'difficulty' factor is pretty much zero.

Oh goody Mr. dingbat delusional rational boy thinks kelp just grows everywhere. Take a look at the globe and show us where all that kelp is actually growing. Don't be too long boyo.

The OP is about a process to convert seaweed to ethanol. Kelp is one form of seaweed and there are many others. Seaweed organisms grow from the surface down for many meters deep over very large areas of the world's oceans. Are you retardedly claiming that that isn't true or that seaweed is scarce or needs to be 'farmed' or requires any of the work and materials that crops on land require like water, fertilizer, and, for that matter, land area. C'mon walleyed, show us just how very retarded you are.

Yes and 99% grow within a very limited part of the ocean ecosphere, which you now want to pollute with your stupid hairbrained kelp farming process that will once again do far more environmental harm then the "problem" you are supposedly trying to fix.

Typical false environmentalist delusional dingbat moron destroying the world to get us off of the evil oil.

 

[RollingThunder]

Oh goody Mr. dingbat delusional rational boy thinks kelp just grows everywhere. Take a look at the globe and show us where all that kelp is actually growing. Don't be too long boyo.

The OP is about a process to convert seaweed to ethanol. Kelp is one form of seaweed and there are many others. Seaweed organisms grow from the surface down for many meters deep over very large areas of the world's oceans. Are you retardedly claiming that that isn't true or that seaweed is scarce or needs to be 'farmed' or requires any of the work and materials that crops on land require like water, fertilizer, and, for that matter, land area. C'mon walleyed, show us just how very retarded you are.

Yes and 99% grow within a very limited part of the ocean ecosphere, which you now want to pollute with your stupid hairbrained kelp farming process that will once again do far more environmental harm then the "problem" you are supposedly trying to fix.
Typical false environmentalist delusional dingbat moron destroying the world to get us off of the evil oil.

It's still funny watching you lies and make things up, apparently somehow expecting that no one will ever check up on your bogus crap. You've been shown up to be a liar so many times on this forum, I guess you're used to it by now. If I ask you to show us some evidence for your idiotic claim that "99%" of all seaweeds "grow within a very limited part of the ocean ecosphere", you will change the subject and try to ignore the fact that you just make this shyt up. You're quite predictable in your insanity. Meanwhile in the real world....

The Seaweed Site: information on marine algae
(excerpts)

Seaweeds are marine algae: saltwater-dwelling, simple organisms that fall into the somewhat outdated, but still useful, category of "plants". Most of them are the green (about 1200 species), brown (about 1750 species) or red (about 6000 species) kinds illustrated on this page, and most are attached by holdfasts, which generally just have an anchorage function, although a particularly efficient one.

Seaweeds make up the Sargasso Sea, a large ocean gyre in the western Atlantic where drift plants of several species of the genus Sargassum accumulate. Seaweeds are particularly important ecologically: they dominate the rocky intertidal in most oceans, and in temperate and polar regions cover rock surfaces in the shallow subtidal. Although only penetrating to 8-40 m in most oceans, some are found to depths of 250 m in particularly clear waters (Mediterranean, Caribbean, Brazil). The Giant Kelp (Macrocystis) is one of the largest plants in the world, which in western North America forms an important association with the newly rescued Sea Otter. Seaweeds are found throughout the world's oceans and seas and none is known to be poisonous. Seaweeds are used in many maritime regions for industrial applications and as a fertiliser. The major direct use of these plants as food is in Japan, China and Korea, and in the Indian Ocean where seaweed cultivation has become a major coastal industry. In Japan alone, the total annual production value of [just] nori amounts to more than US$2 billion, one of the most valuable crops produced by aquaculture in the world. Industrial utilisation of seaweed is mostly centred on the extraction of phycocolloids (marine hydrocolloids), and, to a much lesser extent, certain fine biochemicals. Fermentation and pyrolysis and the use of seaweed as biofuels are...possible options for the future, particularly as conventional fossil fuels run out.

 

[skookerasbil]

seaweed is ghey