Allen Eltor
Member
- Jul 5, 2018
- 171
- 1
- 16
- Banned
- #41
This is a process I am very well acquainted with as a Meteorologist and Atmospheric Physicist. I have argued many times here that the energy residency time in CO2 is so short that it is incapable of warming itself, absent another molecule to collide with, which is warmer, it can not warm.That rough figure of 22% is also a consideration of energy leaving the earth, as the atmosphere is working in both directions. In another thread I asked the question, what will black body LWIR actually do to that atmosphere? The majority of the atmosphere is transparent to that energy in those wavelenghts.After researching your claims on the Ideal Gas Laws it is a rather interesting point of view. The earths atmosphere is indeed a fluid bath and the temperatures of that bath are well below -80F. Only water vapor is above that and conduction near surface is indeed removing heat/energy to the atmosphere.WHY? Why does your church solve for temperature and come up 33 degrees short of the KNOWN CORRECT International Standard Atmosphere?
Its rather funny that Trenbreth's missing heat would be so easily found. I looked at three papers on earth energy budget and found no mention of the 33 deg K missing from them.
Still evaluating your point of view.
The green house gases cool the planet's surface 22%, before the counting even starts. When you calculate the temperature of the planet you first, subtract the light intensity @ mean sea level from the intensity sunlight REALLY would be if not for the
cooling green house gases refracting 22% of the sun's total otherwise-available warming firelight to space.
All that light you see in charts sunlight, sea level vs top of atmosphere, is removed by the cooling green house gases.
Mmm hmm this is a cold nitrogen oxygen bath, laced with light blocking refrigerants, chilling a light-warmed rock.
Empirical observations show just 1/2 or less of warming the LOG of CO2 is capable of. This would seem to verify your claim that as GHG's increase the loss path and down welling paths are affected but not the way they envisioned.
CO2 is not capable of warming ANY volume of air it's added to. The reason nobody who believes in the story about the magical gaissiness turning the cold nitrogen bath with the cold light blocking refrigerants in it into a heater,
can NAME you the law, THE law not ONE of the laws, written for solving temperatures of gases hence atmospheres,
is that the PART of the PROCESSING THEY LEAVE OUT WHEN THEY COME UP 33 DEGREES SHORT,
INVOLVES PRETENDING THE LAW isn't THERE.
FURTHERMORE that LAW - the Ideal Gas Law - is written in TWO PARTS: THE EQUATIONS: PV = nRT
you can see where P, V, T are al part of that: PRESSURE.... COMPRESSION they ignore is THIS part of the law -
but FURTHERMORE the OTHER part of the TWO PART IDEAL GAS LAW
is the CHART of LAW of SPECIFIC HEATS of GASES.
One of THE CRITICAL VALUES "R" is COMPUTED from these SPECIFIC HEATS of GASES and becomes the ''gas energy constant" WHICH IS WHAT YOU PLUG INTO the SPOT R takes in CALCULATIONS.
R, for CO2, is LOWER than it is for AIR.
I'm new and I don't think I can link go to "Engineer's Toolbox" and look up ''CHART of SPECIFIC HEATS of GASES"
and look over to the right at R.
Ever heard of this chart, JJ ONE SINGLE TIME IN ALL YOUR LIFE from A.N.Y. magic gasser EVER?
Of COURSE not. Because when all this trash was being buried in those computer programs whoring MILLIONS in FAKE GRANTS, nobody ever CARED because NOBODY was gonna SEE it.
AL GORE's MOVIE had everybody taking a look.
NOW. THAT' their STORY.
Does it sound real? A COLD NITROGEN/OXYGEN BATH,
TURBULENTLY SCRUBBING a LIGHT WARMED ROCK,
not only
MAKES it WARMER than if there was NO COLD BATH - whaaAAAAT?
but the COLD,
LIGHT-BLOCKING INSULATING REFRIGERANTS
IMMEDIATELY COOLING TEMP CALCS by 22%
THEN SPONTANEOUSLY REGENERATE that 22%
and THEN after it's LIKE they NEVER COOLED that first 22% because they
REGENERATED it BACK out of NOWHERE
they ALSO then HEAT, the ENTIRE PLANET and it's COLD NITROGEN BATH
by another 33 DEGREES.
YOU get a napkin or something and CLOCK that OUT STEP by STEP then -
DON'T come back and ask ME their story,
GO ask THEM to verify the story EVERY step of the way
then come back and tell me that's not EXACTLY what they're telling you.
they don't KNOW about the GAS LAW'S NECESSITY because ALL they're EVER SHOWN
is that SIMPLETON'S COUNT UP that comes up 33 degrees SHORT
then they tell you THIM GREAN HOWS GAISSES DUN DUN THAT,
THAY PUT 22% OF THE SUN'S LIGHT OUT OF THEMSELVES,
CAWSE THAT'S HOW THAY DO,
THEN THAY HEATED THE ENTIRE PLANET,
AND COLD NITROXY BATH,
another 33 DEGREES.
AFTER they REGENERATED SPONTANEOUSLY 22% of all sunlight,
they made never reach the planet.
They just SPONTANEOUSLY GENERATED that light.
PLUS sufficient energy to warm the ENTIRE PLANET
33 degrees warmer than the FULL LIGHT of the SUN
would have made the planet.
No? You come back and tell me where I'm misleading you bro.
I was told by Hansen's SUPERVISOR who BLEW the whistle on Hansen till he RETIRED
how the COMPUTER FRAUD
is dependent on the MATH FRAUD
calculating the temp 33 degrees SHORT
to create a mythical ''unexplained 33 degrees warming''
that's coming out of the green house gases,
which are ACTUALLY the atmosphere's COOLANTS,
taking 22% of total sunlight energy warmth off the TOP
of Earth's surface temperature calculations.
EVERY single SYLLABLE of ''a cold nitroxy bath is a heater and what's making it a heater is those same gases that stop 22% of sunlight ever warming the planet. BEFORE their cold physical presence helps with the CONDUCTION or CONTACT cooling.
BEFORE water sets up it's EVEPORATIVE/CONDENSING CONVECTION DRIVEN PHASE CHANGE REFRIGERATION CYCLES,
CHILLING the surface through EVAPORATION then CYCLING up and DOWN and UP through the CLOUDS it's rising in,
DUMPING energy to CHANGE phase not through liquid to ice but DIRECTLY to ICE,
it FALLS again.. warming, it SUBLIMATES to VAPOR again and RISES... doing this SCORES of times,
in just a TYPICAL STORM:
PHASE CHANGE REFRIGERATING not just the surface and it's associated features,
but the MAIN COLD NITROGEN BATH AT LARGE, as it CYCLES UP AND DOWN,
undergoing PHASE CHANGE CYCLES, inside the CLOUDS .
Well BOB there you go, you're a Meteorologist, you know how to count. The sun warms the gases that refract 22% of it away some. But SO little of it THERMALIZES
that when you start counting - you eliminate ALL that sunlight that's refracted, you don't derate it and LOSE 22% but only COUNT losing NONE then adding sufficient energy to warm the ENTIRE PLANET AND the COLD NITROGEN BATH 33 DEGREES.
Because of the
"...Magicalness
of the gaissiness
what dun turn't a COLD NITROGEN BATH into a HEEDUR." I thought it would be best to QUOTE the LITERATURE EXACTLY.
NO. There is NO such THING, not ONCE not EVER.