Cnn Poll: In North Carolina Senate Race, Libertarian Could Be Spoiler

[HenryBHough]

Until Republicans figure out that Democrat-lite candidates can't win they'll keep on losing.

 

[occupied]

Until Republicans figure out that Democrat-lite candidates can't win they'll keep on losing.

Crazy-ass teabaggers frequently lose too so there goes that theory.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Most libertarians are disillusioned republicans so I guess they were theirs to lose.

Any scientific data to back up such a claim? Didn't think so.

More anecdotal, most of the libertarians I encounter on these boards complain that republicans have become just like democrats and deserve no support from them. Do you disagree with that statement Mr. closet republican?

Republicans are just like Democrats, or vice versa, but acknowledging that fact doesn't make one a closet Republican, or even a libertarian for that matter. Glenn Greenwald, no libertarian himself, constantly makes the point about how Obama Democratic apologists today are making the same exact arguments that Bush Republican apologists did when he was in power. Does that make him a closet Republican too?

What exactly is a closet Republican anyways? Maybe if you define it we can have a more constructive discussion on the topic.

People who claim to be libertarian so they never have to defend the actions of the conservative shits they vote for.

Alright, I think you do have a point, but I think you're tossing the term around too liberally. There are plenty of conservatives going around claiming to be libertarians so they can deflect criticism for supporting terrible Republicans. Glenn Beck comes to mind as being the most obvious, but there are probably some on this board as well. That doesn't mean there aren't actual libertarians, however, and I'd like to think in the several years I've been on this board I've more than proven my libertarian bona-fides. If, however, you want to continue to question that then I suggest you provide some evidence of my closet Republican tendencies. I'll help you out by pointing out that I have only ever voted for a Republican twice in my life, and that was for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and while I supported Rand Paul in his Senate campaign in 2010 I have since written him off as a pandering Republican politician who I will not vote for under any circumstances when he inevitably runs for President. Those are probably the only two things that can be used against me in making the case that I'm a closet Republican.

 

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Most libertarians are disillusioned republicans so I guess they were theirs to lose.

Any scientific data to back up such a claim? Didn't think so.

More anecdotal, most of the libertarians I encounter on these boards complain that republicans have become just like democrats and deserve no support from them. Do you disagree with that statement Mr. closet republican?

Republicans are just like Democrats, or vice versa, but acknowledging that fact doesn't make one a closet Republican, or even a libertarian for that matter. Glenn Greenwald, no libertarian himself, constantly makes the point about how Obama Democratic apologists today are making the same exact arguments that Bush Republican apologists did when he was in power. Does that make him a closet Republican too?

What exactly is a closet Republican anyways? Maybe if you define it we can have a more constructive discussion on the topic.

People who claim to be libertarian so they never have to defend the actions of the conservative shits they vote for.

Alright, I think you do have a point, but I think you're tossing the term around too liberally. There are plenty of conservatives going around claiming to be libertarians so they can deflect criticism for supporting terrible Republicans. Glenn Beck comes to mind as being the most obvious, but there are probably some on this board as well. That doesn't mean there aren't actual libertarians, however, and I'd like to think in the several years I've been on this board I've more than proven my libertarian bona-fides. If, however, you want to continue to question that then I suggest you provide some evidence of my closet Republican tendencies. I'll help you out by pointing out that I have only ever voted for a Republican twice in my life, and that was for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and while I supported Rand Paul in his Senate campaign in 2010 I have since written him off as a pandering Republican politician who I will not vote for under any circumstances when he inevitably runs for President. Those are probably the only two things that can be used against me in making the case that I'm a closet Republican.

I call all libertarians closet republicans. Usually I am correct even if they do not readily admit it, especially on a presidential election, they hold their nose and check the box for the republican. I have no knowledge of your past history and do not really care but I see little difference between any of the various flavors of conservatism because in the end all of them are eager corporate cheerleaders who are there entirely to protect big business from even sensible regulation.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Any scientific data to back up such a claim? Didn't think so.

More anecdotal, most of the libertarians I encounter on these boards complain that republicans have become just like democrats and deserve no support from them. Do you disagree with that statement Mr. closet republican?

Republicans are just like Democrats, or vice versa, but acknowledging that fact doesn't make one a closet Republican, or even a libertarian for that matter. Glenn Greenwald, no libertarian himself, constantly makes the point about how Obama Democratic apologists today are making the same exact arguments that Bush Republican apologists did when he was in power. Does that make him a closet Republican too?

What exactly is a closet Republican anyways? Maybe if you define it we can have a more constructive discussion on the topic.

People who claim to be libertarian so they never have to defend the actions of the conservative shits they vote for.

Alright, I think you do have a point, but I think you're tossing the term around too liberally. There are plenty of conservatives going around claiming to be libertarians so they can deflect criticism for supporting terrible Republicans. Glenn Beck comes to mind as being the most obvious, but there are probably some on this board as well. That doesn't mean there aren't actual libertarians, however, and I'd like to think in the several years I've been on this board I've more than proven my libertarian bona-fides. If, however, you want to continue to question that then I suggest you provide some evidence of my closet Republican tendencies. I'll help you out by pointing out that I have only ever voted for a Republican twice in my life, and that was for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and while I supported Rand Paul in his Senate campaign in 2010 I have since written him off as a pandering Republican politician who I will not vote for under any circumstances when he inevitably runs for President. Those are probably the only two things that can be used against me in making the case that I'm a closet Republican.

I call all libertarians closet republicans. Usually I am correct even if they do not readily admit it, especially on a presidential election, they hold their nose and check the box for the republican. I have no knowledge of your past history and do not really care but I see little difference between any of the various flavors of conservatism because in the end all of them are eager corporate cheerleaders who are there entirely to protect big business from even sensible regulation.

Didn't vote for McCain, and didn't vote for Romney, and I have no problem with those decisions because I have no doubt they would have been no better than Obama has been. Maybe worse, especially in McCain's case. Of course libertarianism is not a "flavor" of conservatism, any more than it's a "flavor" of progressivism. I assume you're making little differentiation, but I would point out that Republican leadership, along with Democratic leadership, are avowed corporatists, which is quite a bit different than free market capitalism supported by libertarians. Though I doubt on that issue I'd be able to change your mind.

 

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More anecdotal, most of the libertarians I encounter on these boards complain that republicans have become just like democrats and deserve no support from them. Do you disagree with that statement Mr. closet republican?

Republicans are just like Democrats, or vice versa, but acknowledging that fact doesn't make one a closet Republican, or even a libertarian for that matter. Glenn Greenwald, no libertarian himself, constantly makes the point about how Obama Democratic apologists today are making the same exact arguments that Bush Republican apologists did when he was in power. Does that make him a closet Republican too?

What exactly is a closet Republican anyways? Maybe if you define it we can have a more constructive discussion on the topic.

People who claim to be libertarian so they never have to defend the actions of the conservative shits they vote for.

Alright, I think you do have a point, but I think you're tossing the term around too liberally. There are plenty of conservatives going around claiming to be libertarians so they can deflect criticism for supporting terrible Republicans. Glenn Beck comes to mind as being the most obvious, but there are probably some on this board as well. That doesn't mean there aren't actual libertarians, however, and I'd like to think in the several years I've been on this board I've more than proven my libertarian bona-fides. If, however, you want to continue to question that then I suggest you provide some evidence of my closet Republican tendencies. I'll help you out by pointing out that I have only ever voted for a Republican twice in my life, and that was for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and while I supported Rand Paul in his Senate campaign in 2010 I have since written him off as a pandering Republican politician who I will not vote for under any circumstances when he inevitably runs for President. Those are probably the only two things that can be used against me in making the case that I'm a closet Republican.

I call all libertarians closet republicans. Usually I am correct even if they do not readily admit it, especially on a presidential election, they hold their nose and check the box for the republican. I have no knowledge of your past history and do not really care but I see little difference between any of the various flavors of conservatism because in the end all of them are eager corporate cheerleaders who are there entirely to protect big business from even sensible regulation.

Didn't vote for McCain, and didn't vote for Romney, and I have no problem with those decisions because I have no doubt they would have been no better than Obama has been. Maybe worse, especially in McCain's case. Of course libertarianism is not a "flavor" of conservatism, any more than it's a "flavor" of progressivism. I assume you're making little differentiation, but I would point out that Republican leadership, along with Democratic leadership, are avowed corporatists, which is quite a bit different than free market capitalism supported by libertarians. Though I doubt on that issue I'd be able to change your mind.

Free market capitalism is a pipe dream, if people can get away with rigging the system, swindling clients, polluting the waters, unfairly exploiting workers, etc. they will. Free market capitalism runs every bit as counter to human nature as utopian socialism.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Republicans are just like Democrats, or vice versa, but acknowledging that fact doesn't make one a closet Republican, or even a libertarian for that matter. Glenn Greenwald, no libertarian himself, constantly makes the point about how Obama Democratic apologists today are making the same exact arguments that Bush Republican apologists did when he was in power. Does that make him a closet Republican too?

What exactly is a closet Republican anyways? Maybe if you define it we can have a more constructive discussion on the topic.

People who claim to be libertarian so they never have to defend the actions of the conservative shits they vote for.

Alright, I think you do have a point, but I think you're tossing the term around too liberally. There are plenty of conservatives going around claiming to be libertarians so they can deflect criticism for supporting terrible Republicans. Glenn Beck comes to mind as being the most obvious, but there are probably some on this board as well. That doesn't mean there aren't actual libertarians, however, and I'd like to think in the several years I've been on this board I've more than proven my libertarian bona-fides. If, however, you want to continue to question that then I suggest you provide some evidence of my closet Republican tendencies. I'll help you out by pointing out that I have only ever voted for a Republican twice in my life, and that was for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and while I supported Rand Paul in his Senate campaign in 2010 I have since written him off as a pandering Republican politician who I will not vote for under any circumstances when he inevitably runs for President. Those are probably the only two things that can be used against me in making the case that I'm a closet Republican.

I call all libertarians closet republicans. Usually I am correct even if they do not readily admit it, especially on a presidential election, they hold their nose and check the box for the republican. I have no knowledge of your past history and do not really care but I see little difference between any of the various flavors of conservatism because in the end all of them are eager corporate cheerleaders who are there entirely to protect big business from even sensible regulation.

Didn't vote for McCain, and didn't vote for Romney, and I have no problem with those decisions because I have no doubt they would have been no better than Obama has been. Maybe worse, especially in McCain's case. Of course libertarianism is not a "flavor" of conservatism, any more than it's a "flavor" of progressivism. I assume you're making little differentiation, but I would point out that Republican leadership, along with Democratic leadership, are avowed corporatists, which is quite a bit different than free market capitalism supported by libertarians. Though I doubt on that issue I'd be able to change your mind.

Free market capitalism is a pipe dream, if people can get away with rigging the system, swindling clients, polluting the waters, unfairly exploiting workers, etc. they will. Free market capitalism runs every bit as counter to human nature as utopian socialism.

I figured not.

 

[occupied]

People who claim to be libertarian so they never have to defend the actions of the conservative shits they vote for.

Alright, I think you do have a point, but I think you're tossing the term around too liberally. There are plenty of conservatives going around claiming to be libertarians so they can deflect criticism for supporting terrible Republicans. Glenn Beck comes to mind as being the most obvious, but there are probably some on this board as well. That doesn't mean there aren't actual libertarians, however, and I'd like to think in the several years I've been on this board I've more than proven my libertarian bona-fides. If, however, you want to continue to question that then I suggest you provide some evidence of my closet Republican tendencies. I'll help you out by pointing out that I have only ever voted for a Republican twice in my life, and that was for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and while I supported Rand Paul in his Senate campaign in 2010 I have since written him off as a pandering Republican politician who I will not vote for under any circumstances when he inevitably runs for President. Those are probably the only two things that can be used against me in making the case that I'm a closet Republican.

I call all libertarians closet republicans. Usually I am correct even if they do not readily admit it, especially on a presidential election, they hold their nose and check the box for the republican. I have no knowledge of your past history and do not really care but I see little difference between any of the various flavors of conservatism because in the end all of them are eager corporate cheerleaders who are there entirely to protect big business from even sensible regulation.

Didn't vote for McCain, and didn't vote for Romney, and I have no problem with those decisions because I have no doubt they would have been no better than Obama has been. Maybe worse, especially in McCain's case. Of course libertarianism is not a "flavor" of conservatism, any more than it's a "flavor" of progressivism. I assume you're making little differentiation, but I would point out that Republican leadership, along with Democratic leadership, are avowed corporatists, which is quite a bit different than free market capitalism supported by libertarians. Though I doubt on that issue I'd be able to change your mind.

Free market capitalism is a pipe dream, if people can get away with rigging the system, swindling clients, polluting the waters, unfairly exploiting workers, etc. they will. Free market capitalism runs every bit as counter to human nature as utopian socialism.

I figured not.

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Alright, I think you do have a point, but I think you're tossing the term around too liberally. There are plenty of conservatives going around claiming to be libertarians so they can deflect criticism for supporting terrible Republicans. Glenn Beck comes to mind as being the most obvious, but there are probably some on this board as well. That doesn't mean there aren't actual libertarians, however, and I'd like to think in the several years I've been on this board I've more than proven my libertarian bona-fides. If, however, you want to continue to question that then I suggest you provide some evidence of my closet Republican tendencies. I'll help you out by pointing out that I have only ever voted for a Republican twice in my life, and that was for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and while I supported Rand Paul in his Senate campaign in 2010 I have since written him off as a pandering Republican politician who I will not vote for under any circumstances when he inevitably runs for President. Those are probably the only two things that can be used against me in making the case that I'm a closet Republican.

I call all libertarians closet republicans. Usually I am correct even if they do not readily admit it, especially on a presidential election, they hold their nose and check the box for the republican. I have no knowledge of your past history and do not really care but I see little difference between any of the various flavors of conservatism because in the end all of them are eager corporate cheerleaders who are there entirely to protect big business from even sensible regulation.

Didn't vote for McCain, and didn't vote for Romney, and I have no problem with those decisions because I have no doubt they would have been no better than Obama has been. Maybe worse, especially in McCain's case. Of course libertarianism is not a "flavor" of conservatism, any more than it's a "flavor" of progressivism. I assume you're making little differentiation, but I would point out that Republican leadership, along with Democratic leadership, are avowed corporatists, which is quite a bit different than free market capitalism supported by libertarians. Though I doubt on that issue I'd be able to change your mind.

Free market capitalism is a pipe dream, if people can get away with rigging the system, swindling clients, polluting the waters, unfairly exploiting workers, etc. they will. Free market capitalism runs every bit as counter to human nature as utopian socialism.

I figured not.

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

The idea that entrepreneurs put nothing of value into society is laughable. Regardless, I have no interest in arguing the point with you. This is a side issue from our actual discussion, which was you incorrectly labeling me a closet Republican.

 

[occupied]

I call all libertarians closet republicans. Usually I am correct even if they do not readily admit it, especially on a presidential election, they hold their nose and check the box for the republican. I have no knowledge of your past history and do not really care but I see little difference between any of the various flavors of conservatism because in the end all of them are eager corporate cheerleaders who are there entirely to protect big business from even sensible regulation.

Didn't vote for McCain, and didn't vote for Romney, and I have no problem with those decisions because I have no doubt they would have been no better than Obama has been. Maybe worse, especially in McCain's case. Of course libertarianism is not a "flavor" of conservatism, any more than it's a "flavor" of progressivism. I assume you're making little differentiation, but I would point out that Republican leadership, along with Democratic leadership, are avowed corporatists, which is quite a bit different than free market capitalism supported by libertarians. Though I doubt on that issue I'd be able to change your mind.

Free market capitalism is a pipe dream, if people can get away with rigging the system, swindling clients, polluting the waters, unfairly exploiting workers, etc. they will. Free market capitalism runs every bit as counter to human nature as utopian socialism.

I figured not.

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

The idea that entrepreneurs put nothing of value into society is laughable. Regardless, I have no interest in arguing the point with you. This is a side issue from our actual discussion, which was you incorrectly labeling me a closet Republican.

I like libertarians, always willing to defend their fantastical dogma against the heretical unbelievers.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Didn't vote for McCain, and didn't vote for Romney, and I have no problem with those decisions because I have no doubt they would have been no better than Obama has been. Maybe worse, especially in McCain's case. Of course libertarianism is not a "flavor" of conservatism, any more than it's a "flavor" of progressivism. I assume you're making little differentiation, but I would point out that Republican leadership, along with Democratic leadership, are avowed corporatists, which is quite a bit different than free market capitalism supported by libertarians. Though I doubt on that issue I'd be able to change your mind.

Free market capitalism is a pipe dream, if people can get away with rigging the system, swindling clients, polluting the waters, unfairly exploiting workers, etc. they will. Free market capitalism runs every bit as counter to human nature as utopian socialism.

I figured not.

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

The idea that entrepreneurs put nothing of value into society is laughable. Regardless, I have no interest in arguing the point with you. This is a side issue from our actual discussion, which was you incorrectly labeling me a closet Republican.

I like libertarians, always willing to defend their fantastical dogma against the heretical unbelievers.

And now you're just being ridiculous.

A. I didn't bother defending anything, because there is obviously no point.
B. I didn't refer to you as "heretical," or anything else.
C. The term "fantastical dogma" can refer to anybody's ideology, so there's no point in using it as an argument at all.
D. It would appear you're trying to deflect attention away from the fact that you were mistaken, and are just reflexively opposed to libertarianism with no real knowledge of what it entails.

 

[bripat9643]

In one of the most closely-watched Senate races of the year, incumbent Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina holds a narrow three-point advantage over her Republican challenger, according to a new CNN/ORC International survey.

But the poll indicates that Thom Tillis, the GOP nominee, may be falling behind Hagan because a Libertarian candidate could be siphoning off Republican votes.

CNN Poll Libertarian could be spoiler in N.C. race - CNN.com

And here I didn't realize those votes belonged to the Republicans.

Is this guy a genuine libertarian, or one of those fake ones the Dims often put up?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

In one of the most closely-watched Senate races of the year, incumbent Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina holds a narrow three-point advantage over her Republican challenger, according to a new CNN/ORC International survey.

But the poll indicates that Thom Tillis, the GOP nominee, may be falling behind Hagan because a Libertarian candidate could be siphoning off Republican votes.

CNN Poll Libertarian could be spoiler in N.C. race - CNN.com

And here I didn't realize those votes belonged to the Republicans.

Is this guy a genuine libertarian, or one of those fake ones the Dims often put up?

Good question, and I don't know the answer.

 

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Free market capitalism is a pipe dream, if people can get away with rigging the system, swindling clients, polluting the waters, unfairly exploiting workers, etc. they will. Free market capitalism runs every bit as counter to human nature as utopian socialism.

I figured not.

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

The idea that entrepreneurs put nothing of value into society is laughable. Regardless, I have no interest in arguing the point with you. This is a side issue from our actual discussion, which was you incorrectly labeling me a closet Republican.

I like libertarians, always willing to defend their fantastical dogma against the heretical unbelievers.

And now you're just being ridiculous.

A. I didn't bother defending anything, because there is obviously no point.
B. I didn't refer to you as "heretical," or anything else.
C. The term "fantastical dogma" can refer to anybody's ideology, so there's no point in using it as an argument at all.
D. It would appear you're trying to deflect attention away from the fact that you were mistaken, and are just reflexively opposed to libertarianism with no real knowledge of what it entails.

Been talking to "libertarians" on the net for a long time now, laziest political belief system in American history. It's little more than an appealing moral justification for treating the common working class rabble like worthless scum and a direct assault on the labor movement.

 

[bripat9643]

Thanks for sending a Democrat back to the Senate, libertarian scumjobs. Go fuck yourselves.

As opposed to sending a Republican who will vote the same way as the Democrat would on any issue of importance. Nominate better Republicans or take your own advice.

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?

 

[bripat9643]

I figured not.

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

The idea that entrepreneurs put nothing of value into society is laughable. Regardless, I have no interest in arguing the point with you. This is a side issue from our actual discussion, which was you incorrectly labeling me a closet Republican.

I like libertarians, always willing to defend their fantastical dogma against the heretical unbelievers.

And now you're just being ridiculous.

A. I didn't bother defending anything, because there is obviously no point.
B. I didn't refer to you as "heretical," or anything else.
C. The term "fantastical dogma" can refer to anybody's ideology, so there's no point in using it as an argument at all.
D. It would appear you're trying to deflect attention away from the fact that you were mistaken, and are just reflexively opposed to libertarianism with no real knowledge of what it entails.

Been talking to "libertarians" on the net for a long time now, laziest political belief system in American history. It's little more than an appealing moral justification for treating the common working class rabble like worthless scum and a direct assault on the labor movement.

I've been talking to lib scum on the internet for decades, and they are all useless parasites who need a justification for sucking off the taxpayers and increasing the amount of swag they take every year. It's a direct assault on the constitution and freedom. A liberal is indistinguishable from a fascist and would happily send anyone who objects to their schemes to the Gulag for "re-education."

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I figured not.

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

The idea that entrepreneurs put nothing of value into society is laughable. Regardless, I have no interest in arguing the point with you. This is a side issue from our actual discussion, which was you incorrectly labeling me a closet Republican.

I like libertarians, always willing to defend their fantastical dogma against the heretical unbelievers.

And now you're just being ridiculous.

A. I didn't bother defending anything, because there is obviously no point.
B. I didn't refer to you as "heretical," or anything else.
C. The term "fantastical dogma" can refer to anybody's ideology, so there's no point in using it as an argument at all.
D. It would appear you're trying to deflect attention away from the fact that you were mistaken, and are just reflexively opposed to libertarianism with no real knowledge of what it entails.

Been talking to "libertarians" on the net for a long time now, laziest political belief system in American history. It's little more than an appealing moral justification for treating the common working class rabble like worthless scum and a direct assault on the labor movement.

Well look at how fast the goalposts move. Went from closet Republicans to the "laziest political belief system" in American history. Never mind that occupied's answer always seems to be "regulate!" Nothing lazy there.

 

[bripat9643]

That's fine, maybe one day you will discover that the people you want to be allowed to freely roam the world squeezing money out of an already over burdened working class while putting nothing of value back into the system think of dogmatic free marketeers as the world's biggest fools. People who cheat the system know they are cheating and here's these idealists cheering them on and running interference for their scams.

The idea that entrepreneurs put nothing of value into society is laughable. Regardless, I have no interest in arguing the point with you. This is a side issue from our actual discussion, which was you incorrectly labeling me a closet Republican.

I like libertarians, always willing to defend their fantastical dogma against the heretical unbelievers.

And now you're just being ridiculous.

A. I didn't bother defending anything, because there is obviously no point.
B. I didn't refer to you as "heretical," or anything else.
C. The term "fantastical dogma" can refer to anybody's ideology, so there's no point in using it as an argument at all.
D. It would appear you're trying to deflect attention away from the fact that you were mistaken, and are just reflexively opposed to libertarianism with no real knowledge of what it entails.

Been talking to "libertarians" on the net for a long time now, laziest political belief system in American history. It's little more than an appealing moral justification for treating the common working class rabble like worthless scum and a direct assault on the labor movement.

Well look at how fast the goalposts move. Went from closet Republicans to the "laziest political belief system" in American history. Never mind that occupied's answer always seems to be "regulate!" Nothing lazy there.

The liberal solutions to every problem: raise taxes and pass a law.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Thanks for sending a Democrat back to the Senate, libertarian scumjobs. Go fuck yourselves.

As opposed to sending a Republican who will vote the same way as the Democrat would on any issue of importance. Nominate better Republicans or take your own advice.

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?

Does it matter?

 

[bripat9643]

Thanks for sending a Democrat back to the Senate, libertarian scumjobs. Go fuck yourselves.

As opposed to sending a Republican who will vote the same way as the Democrat would on any issue of importance. Nominate better Republicans or take your own advice.

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?

Does it matter?

If Republicans had enough votes in the Senate or the House we wouldn't now be saddled with Obamacare.

So, yes, it does matter.