Clown lie: Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

[Iceweasel]

“I am going to take care of everybody,” Trump said. “I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

Remember, we're supposed to "take him seriously, but not literally."

So what he MEANT by that was "I have no idea what this thing is going to look like, because I have no idea what I'm talking about, I just make shit up as I go."

So it's really just in the interpretation.
.

...like yours, LOL. America took Obama seriously and we got fucked. You left that part out. The ACA is crashing and burning. Trump and the GOP congress could do nothing and wait for it and say "told ya" or they can try to fix a very complicated thing, since it's been forced on all of us. We'll just have to ignore your type as "noise".

 

[Mac1958]

“I am going to take care of everybody,” Trump said. “I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

Remember, we're supposed to "take him seriously, but not literally."

So what he MEANT by that was "I have no idea what this thing is going to look like, because I have no idea what I'm talking about, I just make shit up as I go."

So it's really just in the interpretation.
.

...like yours, LOL. America took Obama seriously and we got fucked. You left that part out. The ACA is crashing and burning. Trump and the GOP congress could do nothing and wait for it and say "told ya" or they can try to fix a very complicated thing, since it's been forced on all of us. We'll just have to ignore your type as "noise".

Yep, the ACA is crashing and burning, and that's part of why Trump got elected.

So tell me how you interpret “Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
.

 

[Iceweasel]

“I am going to take care of everybody,” Trump said. “I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

Remember, we're supposed to "take him seriously, but not literally."

So what he MEANT by that was "I have no idea what this thing is going to look like, because I have no idea what I'm talking about, I just make shit up as I go."

So it's really just in the interpretation.
.

...like yours, LOL. America took Obama seriously and we got fucked. You left that part out. The ACA is crashing and burning. Trump and the GOP congress could do nothing and wait for it and say "told ya" or they can try to fix a very complicated thing, since it's been forced on all of us. We'll just have to ignore your type as "noise".

Yep, the ACA is crashing and burning, and that's part of why Trump got elected.

So tell me how you interpret “Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
.

Unlike yourself I am not god so I will wait and see and have no problem with trying to fix a major fuckup.

 

[Mac1958]

“I am going to take care of everybody,” Trump said. “I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

Remember, we're supposed to "take him seriously, but not literally."

So what he MEANT by that was "I have no idea what this thing is going to look like, because I have no idea what I'm talking about, I just make shit up as I go."

So it's really just in the interpretation.
.

...like yours, LOL. America took Obama seriously and we got fucked. You left that part out. The ACA is crashing and burning. Trump and the GOP congress could do nothing and wait for it and say "told ya" or they can try to fix a very complicated thing, since it's been forced on all of us. We'll just have to ignore your type as "noise".

Yep, the ACA is crashing and burning, and that's part of why Trump got elected.

So tell me how you interpret “Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
.

Unlike yourself I am not god so I will wait and see and have no problem with trying to fix a major fuckup.

Didn't want to answer my question.

Understandable.
.

 

[Camp]

The cult will always find ways to defend the LIC, Liar in Chief. There is no limit to the ridiculousness they will go to try and make his lies seem unimportant or justifiable. When all else fails, they will deflect by telling us someone else lied too, hence it is OK for their cult leader to lie also. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!! He was born in Kenya, Kenya, Kenya!!!!! Michelle has a dick, a dick, a dick!!!!!

 

[Meister]

Meister, post: 16789255

until we do. If I have to tell you about the carriers dropping out of Obama's debacle,
well thats your stupidity and I can't fix stupid.

You make the claim that it is Obama's debacle.

You don't consider the affects that red state resistance to the ACA have been.

Insurers that focus on insuring poor and sick people seem to be doing ok.

The big insurers want to focus on employer provided coverage where the vast majority of Americans get coverage.

What you are arguing actually is your unintended case for a federal public option in areas where big greedy's don't want to go.

Why not have the public option where OH costs are five percent instead the 20% ripoff from big insurers.

And you do not add in the instability that Trump and Republicans holding Congress have given the market place since the election.

RINOCARE as proposed is upsetting whatever stability existed prior to the bizarre Trump win and incompetent handling of running the executive branch thus far.

But if you like tens of millions losing health insurance as a good thing and you think the healthy won't pay the costs in emergency rooms across the nation for sick uninsured people needing care, you are nuts.

If you think hospitals should not treat people without the means to pay you are cruel.

If you think people that are hit with a serious medical condition without insurance should go bankrupt and lose their homes to stay alive you are heartless.

You appear to have your heart and sympathy with big insurance.

Just want to know which ones you think are so wonderful.

Name some names.

But also consider the various causes and people hurt much worse under proposed RINOCARE.

I'm a capitalist and you're a socialist....I get it. But, why are those that make less than 18,000 not getting subsidies under Obamacare?
Those were the ones that were supposed to have been picked up. sheesh
Don't talk about big insurance companies....guess who wrote the ACA? Guess which ones were to succeed and fail? You really don't get it, do you?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Meister, post: 16791390,

I'm a capitalist and you're a socialist...

I'm a capitalist with a moral compass. That is why I want the private capital insurance providers to continue with the decent job they do with capitalist based employer based insurance. That serves nearly two hundred million Americans very well.

For those that need to purchase their own insurance I want the big insurance companies to have to compete and compete fiercely with A Federal Government public option for insurance as run by Medicare.

You are no capitalist. You are a coward capitalist fighting tooth and nail so that greedy private insurance companies will never have to compete with a lower cost administrative and non-profit system.

 

[Imnukingfutz]

Will this be Trumpty Dumpty's fall off the wall campaign promise lie?


((When he was running for president, Trump told “60 Minutes” in 2015 that everyone would win from his health care replacement.

“I am going to take care of everybody,” Trump said. “I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

More recently, in January, Trump vowed “insurance for everybody,” but congressional Republicans have taken to guaranteeing “access” to health care, rather than health care itself, meaning if individuals have the money to pay for insurance, they can get it.))

White House Refuses To Guarantee People Won't Lose Health Insurance From Repeal | The Huffington Post

Such a big deal was made about Obama's "you can keep your coverage" so how is Trump going to dissappear his huuuuge promise to provide insurance for everybody - cheaper and beautiful he promised?

Im against the Federal Government being involved in any way, shape or form with anything to do directly with our healthcare system.

That being said, because...ya know, we have had this ACA Obamacare entitlement program for 7 or so years so however will people survive without it now?!?!...It can be done very simply:
1) remove burdensome regulations that stifle competition in the market place - competition and abundant supply of a product always lowers the cost of the product making it more affordable for everyone.
2) Remove the take-over of education funding (student loans). This has nothing to do with the ACA at all, should never have been there and needs to be removed. Thats what we get for our elected officials voting on a bill they never read.
3) Rewrite the existing condition provision - as it is now, a person could not have insurance at all and be in an automobile accident and be severely injured - call his insurance agent and get coverage to pay for his new medical bills and drop it right after by not paying.
4) expand medicaid to include all children under 18 for major medical only. Regular doctors visits and such would be the parent responsibility.....What about the children?!?!
5) fire orr not hire the 15,000 additional IRS workers the ACA calls for. The salaries and benefit money sure can buy some insurance premiums for some poor folks.

Thats just a start of what can be done simply to get those without coverage the ability to have coverage.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Imnukingfutz, post: 16796328

Im against the Federal Government being involved in any way, shape or form with anything to do directly with our healthcare system.

You are opposed to Medicare. Good for you.

You oppose it, but what if it were a public option sold right out there competing with private insurers.

Are you opposed to Freedom of Choice. Why can't my daughter and son in law running a small landscaping business buy a plan from the government if that is in their best interest.

You say they can't because you are against the Federal Government being involved in any way, shape or form with anything to do directly with our healthcare system.

Who the hell are you to decide for everybody else?

If the government can't do it better and at lower cost than private insurers can, then what is the problem with letting the non-profit government compete with private insurers?

Are you afraid the government will be the insurer of choice.

 

[Imnukingfutz]

Imnukingfutz, post: 16796328

Im against the Federal Government being involved in any way, shape or form with anything to do directly with our healthcare system.

You are opposed to Medicare. Good for you.

You oppose it, but what if it were a public option sold right out there competing with private insurers.

Are you opposed to Freedom of Choice. Why can't my daughter and son in law running a small landscaping business buy a plan from the government if that is in their best interest.

You say they can't because you are against the Federal Government being involved in any way, shape or form with anything to do directly with our healthcare system.

Who the hell are you to decide for everybody else?

If the government can't do it better and at lower cost than private insurers can, then what is the problem with letting the non-profit government compete with private insurers?

Are you afraid the government will be the insurer of choice.

Well, there are several reasons I am against the government being in the health insurance business;
1) Constitutionality - the 10th Amendment states what it states for a reason, to stop the Federal government from overstepping its authority (not like it matters much here lately, they seem to make up theri own rules as we go) but there is no provision in the Constitution that gives the government the ability to be a health care provider. Please, show us in the Constitution where exactly it says the government is to provide peoples healthcare?
2) The government can not be a HC provider in competition with private enterprise for several reasons
a) it does not have to make any money to stay in business - in fact it can loose money and still keep operating because all it has to do is demand the populace as a whole pay more in taxes or be punished by the IRS. Normal business can not do that.
b) The government makes laws protecting itself while penalizing competition puts private insurance at a clear disadvantage
3) Medicare (in comparison to the top 10 HC insurance providers) has more denied claims than all 10 combined - it is exempt from the ACA rules.
4) name 1 government program that ever came in on budget and accomplished what it set out to do....War on Poverty, War on Drugs, Welfare, Social Security, Education, Finance........every single thing the government has put its nose into where it doesnt belong has been a fiasco.

I could keep going and going and going but I think you understand.

To error is human to really screw things up for everyone requires government intervention.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Iceweasel, post: 16790379

Trump and the GOP congress could do nothing and wait for it and say "told ya" or they can try to fix a very complicated thing, since it's been forced on all of us.

That very complicated thing brought the uninsured rate down by 20 million. Trump promised to do better than that and have no American left uninsured.

That was an often repeated promise.

Now we know it was all a lie. Don't go BBBBUTTTT Obama!

Trump's lie horrendous. The number of uninsured goes way up under Trumpcare.

The confession is in.

.
White House Admits Trump ‘Insurance For Everybody’ Guarantee Isn’t Going To Happen
“The only way to have universal care, if you stop to think about it, is to force people to buy it under penalty of law.”

White House Admits Trump 'Insurance For Everybody' Guarantee Isn't Going To Happen | The Huffington Post


Not only is the promise not gonna happen it is worse. More people lose coverage under Trump-endorsed-Care. Trump is no champion of people left behind. He is a liar - looking out only for his class. That is no class, no integrity.

 

[brummelben]

"Taken care of"? Maybe the rhetoric should say "taken advantage of". The Hussein administration put middle class families in debit because they couldn't afford the mandatory insurance packages or the $10,000 deductible. Farm families live with cuts and scrapes and broken bones that used to be covered by insurance and a modest two or three hundred dollar deductible but now they have to learn to set bones and stitch up wounds because Hussein made a visit to the emergency room too expensive. In the mean time the illegal parasites on the economy get free visits to the E.R. for obesity related illnesses.

Bullshyte, you like like Rump

 

[brummelben]

Imnukingfutz, post: 16796328

Im against the Federal Government being involved in any way, shape or form with anything to do directly with our healthcare system.

You are opposed to Medicare. Good for you.

You oppose it, but what if it were a public option sold right out there competing with private insurers.

Are you opposed to Freedom of Choice. Why can't my daughter and son in law running a small landscaping business buy a plan from the government if that is in their best interest.

You say they can't because you are against the Federal Government being involved in any way, shape or form with anything to do directly with our healthcare system.

Who the hell are you to decide for everybody else?

If the government can't do it better and at lower cost than private insurers can, then what is the problem with letting the non-profit government compete with private insurers?

Are you afraid the government will be the insurer of choice.

Well, there are several reasons I am against the government being in the health insurance business;
1) Constitutionality - the 10th Amendment states what it states for a reason, to stop the Federal government from overstepping its authority (not like it matters much here lately, they seem to make up theri own rules as we go) but there is no provision in the Constitution that gives the government the ability to be a health care provider. Please, show us in the Constitution where exactly it says the government is to provide peoples healthcare?
2) The government can not be a HC provider in competition with private enterprise for several reasons
a) it does not have to make any money to stay in business - in fact it can loose money and still keep operating because all it has to do is demand the populace as a whole pay more in taxes or be punished by the IRS. Normal business can not do that.
b) The government makes laws protecting itself while penalizing competition puts private insurance at a clear disadvantage
3) Medicare (in comparison to the top 10 HC insurance providers) has more denied claims than all 10 combined - it is exempt from the ACA rules.
4) name 1 government program that ever came in on budget and accomplished what it set out to do....War on Poverty, War on Drugs, Welfare, Social Security, Education, Finance........every single thing the government has put its nose into where it doesnt belong has been a fiasco.

I could keep going and going and going but I think you understand.

To error is human to really screw things up for everyone requires government intervention.

The government is not in the health care business. The insurance companies write the policies and set their own rates, not the government

 

[Dschrute3]

I agree, Trump shouldn't have said that. It's up to you to take care of yourself and your family. If you're waiting for, or demanding Government do it for you, you're destined to be a bitter loser. We're $20 Trillion in Debt. The Gravy Train's destined to derail at some point. I would advise Americans get prepared for that day.

 

[brummelben]

I agree, Trump shouldn't have said that. It's up to you to take care of yourself and your family. If you're waiting for, or demanding Government do it for you, you're destined to be a bitter loser. We're $20 Trillion in Debt. The Gravy Train's destined to derail at some point. I would advise Americans get prepared for that day.

Do you see Trump doing anything to reduce our national debt, as he promised?

 

[Dschrute3]

I agree, Trump shouldn't have said that. It's up to you to take care of yourself and your family. If you're waiting for, or demanding Government do it for you, you're destined to be a bitter loser. We're $20 Trillion in Debt. The Gravy Train's destined to derail at some point. I would advise Americans get prepared for that day.

Do you see Trump doing anything to reduce our national debt, as he promised?

Trump's not a 'Fiscal Conservative.' He never has been. I warned folks about believing he was. Personally, i didn't expect that of him. I supported him for just a couple of issues. I never viewed him as a 'Fiscal Conservative.'

But regardless, folks better stop relying on and demanding Government fix all their problems. The Gravy Train is about to derail. Americans better start realizing that. It's $20 Trillion and counting.

 

[brummelben]

I agree, Trump shouldn't have said that. It's up to you to take care of yourself and your family. If you're waiting for, or demanding Government do it for you, you're destined to be a bitter loser. We're $20 Trillion in Debt. The Gravy Train's destined to derail at some point. I would advise Americans get prepared for that day.

Do you see Trump doing anything to reduce our national debt, as he promised?

Trump's not a 'Fiscal Conservative.' He never has been. I warned folks about believing he was. Personally, i didn't expect that of him. I supported him for just a couple of issues. I never viewed him as a 'Fiscal Conservative.'

But regardless, folks better stop relying on and demanding Government fix all their problems. The Gravy Train is about to derail. Americans better start realizing that. It's $20 Trillion and counting.

Where is the debt reduction that Rump promised us

 

[Dschrute3]

I agree, Trump shouldn't have said that. It's up to you to take care of yourself and your family. If you're waiting for, or demanding Government do it for you, you're destined to be a bitter loser. We're $20 Trillion in Debt. The Gravy Train's destined to derail at some point. I would advise Americans get prepared for that day.

Do you see Trump doing anything to reduce our national debt, as he promised?

Trump's not a 'Fiscal Conservative.' He never has been. I warned folks about believing he was. Personally, i didn't expect that of him. I supported him for just a couple of issues. I never viewed him as a 'Fiscal Conservative.'

But regardless, folks better stop relying on and demanding Government fix all their problems. The Gravy Train is about to derail. Americans better start realizing that. It's $20 Trillion and counting.

Where is the debt reduction that Rump promised us

Like i said, it won't likely happen. He's not a 'Fiscal Conservative.' But Hillary Clinton was far worse. I didn't vote for Trump on the Debt issue. I voted for him on a couple other issues. That being said, i seriously doubt he can possibly spend as much as Obama. So i guess that's the best we can hope for. It is what it is.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

a) it does not have to make any money to stay in business - in fact it can loose money and still keep operating because all it has to do is demand the populace as a whole pay more in taxes or be punished by the IRS. Normal business can not do that.

You are nukkingfutz. The government cannot raise taxes except by the consent of the governed. And they cannot punish people through the IRS unless they violate the law. Again all laws passed with the consent of the governed.

You just don't know how to live in a nation of laws made by the consent of the governed.

 

[brummelben]

I agree, Trump shouldn't have said that. It's up to you to take care of yourself and your family. If you're waiting for, or demanding Government do it for you, you're destined to be a bitter loser. We're $20 Trillion in Debt. The Gravy Train's destined to derail at some point. I would advise Americans get prepared for that day.

Do you see Trump doing anything to reduce our national debt, as he promised?

Trump's not a 'Fiscal Conservative.' He never has been. I warned folks about believing he was. Personally, i didn't expect that of him. I supported him for just a couple of issues. I never viewed him as a 'Fiscal Conservative.'

But regardless, folks better stop relying on and demanding Government fix all their problems. The Gravy Train is about to derail. Americans better start realizing that. It's $20 Trillion and counting.

Where is the debt reduction that Rump promised us

Like i said, it won't likely happen. He's not a 'Fiscal Conservative.' But Hillary Clinton was far worse. I didn't vote for Trump on the Debt issue. I voted for him on a couple other issues. That being said, i seriously doubt he can possibly spend as much as Obama. So i guess that's the best we can hope for. It is what it is.

Obama didn't spend anything