Clinton Seeks Vote on Gas Tax Holiday

Its a gimmick.

More than 200 economists sign letter urging no gas tax holiday

More than 200 economists, including four Nobel prize winners, signed a letter rejecting proposals by presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and John McCain to offer a summertime gas-tax holiday.

Columbia University economist Joseph Stiglitz, former Congressional Budget Office Director Alice Rivlin and 2007 Nobel winner Roger Myerson are among those who signed the letter calling proposals to temporarily lift the tax a bad idea. Another is Richard Schmalensee of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who was member of President George H.W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers.

The moratorium would mostly benefit oil companies while increasing the federal budget deficit and reducing funding for the government highway maintenance trust fund, the economists said.

``Suspending the federal tax on gasoline this summer is a bad idea, and we oppose it,'' the letter says. Economist Henry Aaron of the Brookings Institution is among those circulating the letter. Aaron said that while he supports Obama, the list includes Republicans and Clinton supporters.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aza2XQB.kk0k&refer=home
 
And, of course, people should never learn from their mistakes....

just ask Baby Bush... he'll tell you. :cuckoo:

Gotta love him, though, he believes the same thing on Wednesday that he did on Monday........ no matter WHAT happened on Tuesday (to quote Stephen Colbert).
 
London bridges falling down, falling down, falling down,

oops, sorry, US bridges falling down, falling down, falling down, my dear lady.....

Bricks and mortar will not stay,
Will not stay, will not stay,
Bricks and mortar will not stay,
My fair Lady.

Build it up with iron and steel,
Iron and steel, iron and steel,
Build it up with iron and steel,
My fair Lady.
 
I find these sporadic tax "rebates" and tax "holidays" disturbing in general.

I find the Democrats goal of specifically targeting oil company profits disturbing in particular.

Well, feel free to add a conservative to your list. I'm not socialist by any means, but capitalism unchecked to the point of self-destruction and and beyond the means of moderation operating solely on pure greed is something that needs to be reined in. Preferrably by self-control. If not, the government needs to step in.

We aren't talking beer here. We're talking a comodity that runs the world, and this nation in particular. Our current lifestyle is dependent on it; yet, it is a finite comodity and we haven't done shit to get off it but try to stuff corn in our gas tanks.

If these companies can't do anything for the good this nation and its people, then the same government that's got its hand stuffed in MY pocket need to stick it in theirs.

When those greedoids don't get corporate tax breaks for each and every damned thing they do and start paying at the same rate as everyone else, you can get back to me. Otherwise, the tear you see me shedding for them is just my sinuses draining.
 
regardless of theoretical economic outcomes of the gas tax holiday, ANY time someone votes to decrease taxes is a GOOD thing. one thing that will not be theoretical is that the government will not be siphoning off more of my money this summer should this tax holiday be passed. any other musings about the price of gas are mere theory and while plausible, still remain mere theory.

only if (and that's abig if) spending cuts go along with the tax cuts.

we've all seen our government's inability to cut spending
 
That's much too sensible....and whenever did a Democritter rescind a welfare program? Besides, there is method to their madness...

Democrat Socialists want the voters to first agree emotionally and in principle to their levying a "windfall profit" tax on "Big Bad Oil".....so later they can freely levy the same tax upon other "Big Bad" companies of their choice in the future. Think of the "windfall profits" that would be for "Big and Getting Bigger" Government!

Socialists think the profits you make belong to them.

Normal-thinking understand the simple concept of "take, take, take and no give" results in strippemined mountains. When you set out to rape the land and it's people regardless the consequences your overly-greedy ass needs to be stopped and you can label the means whatever you like.

I don't about this windfall profits crap, but it'd nice if coportations paid their fair share instead of stashing their cash in corporate loopholes I can't hide min in.
 
GunnyL said:
Well, feel free to add a conservative to your list. I'm not socialist by any means, but capitalism unchecked to the point of self-destruction and and beyond the means of moderation operating solely on pure greed is something that needs to be reined in. Preferrably by self-control. If not, the government needs to step in.

Capitalism working by the set rules is not wrong. And what's with this "pure greed" judgement crap? That's sounding like a liberal socialist.

We aren't talking beer here. We're talking a comodity that runs the world, and this nation in particular. Our current lifestyle is dependent on it; yet, it is a finite comodity and we haven't done shit to get off it but try to stuff corn in our gas tanks
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And who's fault is it that "we haven't done shit"? Look no further than the government. And now you want the government to decide who they think is making "excessive" profits which they can steal?

If these companies can't do anything for the good this nation and its people, then the same government that's got its hand stuffed in MY pocket need to stick it in theirs.
Since when is it required for any company to "do good" for the nation? Are you and your company "doing good" for the nation? Companies are good if they follow the law…if they don't follow the law then you can call them bad.

When those greedoids don't get corporate tax breaks for each and every damned thing they do and start paying at the same rate as everyone else, you can get back to me. Otherwise, the tear you see me shedding for them is just my sinuses draining.
So the problem is all those evil corporate tax breaks? And where do those tax breaks come from? Oh, that's right….from the government. So why can't we say the Government is at fault?

Normal-thinking understand the simple concept of "take, take, take and no give" results in strippemined mountains. When you set out to rape the land and it's people regardless the consequences your overly-greedy ass needs to be stopped and you can label the means whatever you like.
Who's raping anything here? How about the corn-for-oil farmers raping the food supply?

I don't about this windfall profits crap, but it'd nice if coportations paid their fair share instead of stashing their cash in corporate loopholes I can't hide min in.
You could "stash your cash" and have tax advantages too if you owned your own company instead of working for somebody else's company. But that takes more work and effort and risk on your part. Big Oil took risks for years and made very little profit for years too. Now that they are making a decent 8.9% profit margin they've suddenly become the bad guy? The problem is not our oil companies. The problem stems from supply and demand. The lack of supply is the government's fault.
 
And, of course, people should never learn from their mistakes....

just ask Baby Bush... he'll tell you. :cuckoo:

Gotta love him, though, he believes the same thing on Wednesday that he did on Monday........ no matter WHAT happened on Tuesday (to quote Stephen Colbert).

It's not called learning from your mistakes, its called playing the political game. Just in case you haven't noticed Bush isn't running for the presidency this year, are you stuck in 2004??
 
It's not called learning from your mistakes, its called playing the political game. Just in case you haven't noticed Bush isn't running for the presidency this year, are you stuck in 2004??

Bush isn't running, but his agenda is on the ballot. But I don't blame you for trying to distance McCain from the failed, disastrous policies he embraces. If Republicans ran on what they actually believed, there would be no point in running at all.
 
Capitalism working by the set rules is not wrong. And what's with this "pure greed" judgement crap? That's sounding like a liberal socialist.

I don't give a damn what you choose to label me. I've been called a liberal before. I get called a conservative. Fact is, I think outside the box and I think for myself. I don't have some political party's hand up my ass speaking for me.

feel free to cruise the Economy subforum, dude. You'll find quotes from corporate spokespersons that have "pure greed" written all over them.

And who's fault is it that "we haven't done shit"? Look no further than the government. And now you want the government to decide who they think is making "excessive" profits which they can steal?

And whose lobbyists are paying the government to not do shit? Why, golly gee ... bet it might be the ones that gain the most from a shortage of fossil fuels and prices skyrocketing as a result.

Too simple, huh?

Since when is it required for any company to "do good" for the nation? Are you and your company "doing good" for the nation? Companies are good if they follow the law…if they don't follow the law then you can call them bad.

Who the Hell are you talking to? I'd say serving 20 years in the Corps was at least my share of doing good, thanks.

And since you asked, the owner of my company provided the material and we provided the free labor, along with other trade contractor's to build a women's shelter just last month. I'd say that ALSO counts as contributing without asking for anything in return.

I can call them bad when I feel like it. When I feel like it is when they're ripping my ass off at the pump, and not even paying the same percentage taxes I am once their accountant gets done hiding all the money in corporate shelters.

So the problem is all those evil corporate tax breaks? And where do those tax breaks come from? Oh, that's right….from the government. So why can't we say the Government is at fault?

I s'pose you really think I'm dumb enough to fall for the little switch here? I do blame the government for what it does. Obviously, you don't read too many of my posts.

That has nothing to do with whether or not citizens of this nation, and corporations comprised of citizens of this nation have a responsibility to this nation.

The fact is, they're loyal only to themselves and the dollar. They're global corporations and don't give a rat's ass who they fleece so long as thy're squeezing granny's last dime out of her coinpurse.

Who's raping anything here? How about the corn-for-oil farmers raping the food supply?

You mean the ones the government pays to NOT grow but a certain amount of corn?

You could "stash your cash" and have tax advantages too if you owned your own company instead of working for somebody else's company. But that takes more work and effort and risk on your part. Big Oil took risks for years and made very little profit for years too. Now that they are making a decent 8.9% profit margin they've suddenly become the bad guy? The problem is not our oil companies. The problem stems from supply and demand. The lack of supply is the government's fault.

It isn't about me owning my own company. It's about corporations paying their fair share of the tax burden. I shouldn't have to own a corporation to weasel out of my share of taxes to dump on some other poor schmoe. That doesn't address the problem at all. It deflects it.

The lack of supply is not the government's fault. That's grasping. One, US oil companies shut down wells when they're only 2/3s used because it costs more to process the last third. Just more bullshit based on greed.

Two, when the EPA guidelines were stiffened in the late 70s, the oil companies quit building new refineries. It's refined oil products we're short on. The existing ones are grandfathered but the oil companies said FU and refused to build anymore. MORE greed.

You don't have an argument here.
 
Bush isn't running, but his agenda is on the ballot. But I don't blame you for trying to distance McCain from the failed, disastrous policies he embraces. If Republicans ran on what they actually believed, there would be no point in running at all.

Please do tell, what Bush agendas are on the ballot? This weak argument of trying to link MCcain as some third term, is just that weak. The alternative to MCcain, an explosion of federal spending and higher taxes, that sounds great.:cuckoo:
 
Please do tell, what Bush agendas are on the ballot? This weak argument of trying to link MCcain as some third term, is just that weak. The alternative to MCcain, an explosion of federal spending and higher taxes, that sounds great.:cuckoo:

What alternative? The "result" regardless WHO from what party is going ot be an explosion of Federal spending and higher taxes.
 
Please do tell, what Bush agendas are on the ballot? This weak argument of trying to link MCcain as some third term, is just that weak. The alternative to MCcain, an explosion of federal spending and higher taxes, that sounds great.:cuckoo:

Do you know what you're talking about at all? Seriously.

1. More Iraq... more expenditures.
2. More stupid economic policy.
3, More of the religious right's agenda.

As for Fed spending... you can thank YOUR repub pres and congress for our deficit. The dems haven't had the ability to control spending bills for 7 1/2 years.

So other than your repetition of the repub playbook... do you have a point?
 
Do you know what you're talking about at all? Seriously.

1. More Iraq... more expenditures.
2. More stupid economic policy.
3, More of the religious right's agenda.

As for Fed spending... you can thank YOUR repub pres and congress for our deficit. The dems haven't had the ability to control spending bills for 7 1/2 years.

So other than your repetition of the repub playbook... do you have a point?

More of the religious right's agenda.:rolleyes: What crap THAT is.

The Dem's have had the ability to control spending for the last year and a half.

If a Dem is elected,

More Iraq ... more expenditures
Even stupider economic policy
More politically correct, extremist-secular, anti-Christian agenda

So other than your repitition of the Dem handbook ... you got a point?
 
Once again: deficit spending is a tax on future generations. The borrow and spend GOP isn't trying to cut taxes; they just want to dump them on your kids.
 

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