Climatologists talk like politicians...not scientists.

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    National Review? As much validity in this discussion as the daily Kos.
     
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    Perfectly reasonable IMO. When the "scientists" abandoned science for propaganda they entered the realm of politics so the NR is perfectly justified in commenting.
     
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    Because halfwits like you accuse them of that, does not make it so.

    Once again, every Scientific Society on earth, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger.

    The evidence has been presented from earth based observations, and from satellites, both the Greenland and Anarctic Ice Caps are melting by the giga-ton a year. And the melt is increasing every year. From both earth based observations and satellite imagery, all most all of the alpine glaciers are in rapid retreat.

    The Permafrost is melting, and we see CH4 bubbling out of both the lakes in the permafrost and the Arctic Ocean.

    And all of this is "propaganda" according to Walleyed.
     
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    old fraud, just because the 12 or so board of directors of an organization decide to "agree" with the "science" of AGW in direct opposition to the VAST MAJORITY of their membership does not a consensus make. In fact the more that this particular bt of "information" is delved into the more apparent that the vast majority of these board members are either Gore friends, aquaintences, appointees or investors.

    Just because the NKVD ran the Gulags under Stalins auspices didn't make it any more "right". Especially to the 50 million or so who died in them now don't you think?


    And when raw data is checked as opposed to the warmers manufactured or "value added" data it is found that what you say is not true.
     
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    The scientific consensus concerning global warming is about the same as the consensus on evolution. The evidence is just as robust.

    http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/ssi/DoranEOS09.pdf

    It seems that the debate on the authenticity
    of global warming and the role played
    by human activity is largely nonexistent
    among those who understand the nuances
    and scientific basis of long-term
    climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears
    to be how to effectively communicate this
    fact to policy makers and to a public that
    continues to mistakenly perceive debate
    among scientists.
     
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    An older post, today there would be many more names.

    Logicalscience.com - The Consensus On Global Warming/Climate Change: From Science to Industry & Religion

    Individual Scientists
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    The Petition - 11,885+ individual scientists listed by name
    A petition signed by 52 Nobel Laureates, 63 National Medal of Science recipients, 195 members of the National Academies, and over 11,885+ other scientists criticizing the misuse and politicization of science in Washington. The list is continually growing so these are minimum numbers. Here is an excerpt from that petition:
    “For example, in support of the president’s decision to avoid regulating emissions that cause climate change, the administration has consistently misrepresented the findings of the National Academy of Sciences, government scientists, and the expert community at large. Thus in June 2003, the White House demanded extensive changes in the treatment of climate change in a major report by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). To avoid issuing a scientifically indefensible report, EPA officials eviscerated the discussion of climate change and its consequences.”
    Texas A&M - Department of Atmospheric Sciences Unanimous Endorsement of the IPCC
    We, the tenured and tenure-track faculty of the Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences of Texas A&M, agree with the recent reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that:

    1. It is virtually certain that the climate is warming, and that it has warmed by about 0.7 deg. C over the last 100 years.
    2. It is very likely that humans are responsible for most of the recent warming.
    3. If we do nothing to reduce our emissions of greenhouse gases, future warming will likely be at least two degrees Celsius over the next century.
    4. Such a climate change brings with it a risk of serious adverse impacts on our environment and society
     
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    No warming since 1998. So much for man made global warming.
     
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    Daily Kos: Open Thread: Climate-Change Skeptics

    The following groups say the danger of human-caused climate change is a ... FRAUD:

    American Petroleum Institute
    US Chamber of Commerce
    National Association of Manufacturers
    Competitive Enterprise Institute
    Industrial Minerals Association
    National Cattlemen’s Beef Association
    Great Northern Project Development
    Rosebud Mining
    Massey Energy
    Alpha Natural Resources
    Southeastern Legal Foundation
    Georgia Agribusiness Council
    Georgia Motor Trucking Association
    Corn Refiners Association
    National Association of Home Builders
    National Oilseed Processors Association
    National Petrochemical and Refiners Association
    Western States Petroleum Association
     
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    Daily Kos: Open Thread: Climate-Change Skeptics

    The following groups say the danger of human-caused climate change is a ... FACT:

    U.S. Agency for International Development
    United States Department of Agriculture
    National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration
    National Institute of Standards and Technology
    United States Department of Defense
    United States Department of Energy
    National Institutes of Health
    United States Department of State
    United States Department of Transportation
    U.S. Geological Survey
    U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
    University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
    National Center for Atmospheric Research
    National Aeronautics & Space Administration
    National Science Foundation
    Smithsonian Institution
    International Arctic Science Committee
    Arctic Council
    African Academy of Sciences
    Australian Academy of Sciences
    Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
    Academia Brasileira de Ciéncias
    Cameroon Academy of Sciences
    Royal Society of Canada
    Caribbean Academy of Sciences
    Chinese Academy of Sciences
    Académie des Sciences, France
    Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina of Germany
    Indonesian Academy of Sciences
    Royal Irish Academy
    Accademia nazionale delle scienze of Italy
    Indian National Science Academy
    Science Council of Japan
    Kenya National Academy of Sciences
    Madagascar’s National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
    Academy of Sciences Malaysia
    Academia Mexicana de Ciencias
    Nigerian Academy of Sciences
    Royal Society of New Zealand
    Polish Academy of Sciences
    Russian Academy of Sciences
    l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    Academy of Science of South Africa
    Sudan Academy of Sciences
    Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
    Tanzania Academy of Sciences
    Turkish Academy of Sciences
    Uganda National Academy of Sciences
    The Royal Society of the United Kingdom
    National Academy of Sciences, United States
    Zambia Academy of Sciences
    Zimbabwe Academy of Science
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
    American Astronomical Society
    American Chemical Society
    American College of Preventive Medicine
    American Geophysical Union
    American Institute of Physics
    American Medical Association
    American Meteorological Society
    American Physical Society
    American Public Health Association
    American Quaternary Association
    American Institute of Biological Sciences
    American Society of Agronomy
    American Society for Microbiology
    American Society of Plant Biologists
    American Statistical Association
    Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
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    Crop Science Society of America
    Ecological Society of America
    Federation of American Scientists
    Geological Society of America
    National Association of Geoscience Teachers
    Natural Science Collections Alliance
    Organization of Biological Field Stations
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    Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
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    Soil Science Society of America
    Australian Coral Reef Society
    Australian Medical Association
    Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Engineers Australia
    Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
    Geological Society of Australia
    British Antarctic Survey
    Institute of Biology, UK
    Royal Meteorological Society, UK
    Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
    Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    European Federation of Geologists
    European Geosciences Union
    European Physical Society
    European Science Foundation
    International Association for Great Lakes Research
    International Union for Quaternary Research
    International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    World Federation of Public Health Associations
    World Health Organization
    World Meteorological Organization
     

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