Climategate, another Story that won't Go Away

Discussion in 'Environment' started by IanC, Mar 8, 2011.

  1. IanC
    Offline

    IanC Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    9,191
    Thanks Received:
    1,070
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +2,441
    the press has started to pick up on Wahl's admission that he deleted emails in response to Mann and Jones' request. hahaha the blood is in the water!

    and the Wahl statement to the NOAA Inspector General

    my oh my. poor Old Rocks will be disillusioned when he finds out that he was lied to, that the investigations really were just whitewashes after all.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  2. IanC
    Offline

    IanC Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    9,191
    Thanks Received:
    1,070
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +2,441
    I wonder if Mann did try to delete his emails but when things got dicey he managed to retrieve them off the server? this is not going away anytime soon. plausible deniability just about worked but the cat is out of the bag now.
     
  3. skookerasbil
    Offline

    skookerasbil Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2009
    Messages:
    24,176
    Thanks Received:
    2,912
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    Not the middle of nowhere
    Ratings:
    +6,192
    The k00ks try to trivialize this as if it is a toss it over your shoulder thing. It was the deathknell though..........exposed the scam completely. The brainwashed space crusaders like Rocks would consider such an investigation legit........but nobody else.
     
  4. IanC
    Offline

    IanC Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    9,191
    Thanks Received:
    1,070
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +2,441
    the problem with the inquiries is that they didnt want to find anything wrong. then the inquiries into the inquires tried to dig deeper but an hour long session doesnt give enough time to check into the fibs and misdirections of the climategate principals that had a prepared story to give themselves plausible deniability. within hours the skeptical side had ripped their story to shreds but by then it was too late, the one time shot was over. the only way to get to the truth is to strip away the lies one at a time, and you cant destroy the lie until it is actually said.

    that said, the bloodhounds are on the trail and cracks are forming in the stonewall position that will soon breach the wall. now that Wahl has admitted deleting the emails others will be forced to produce their copies. then the shit will hit the fan.
     
  5. Old Rocks
    Offline

    Old Rocks Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    46,469
    Thanks Received:
    5,415
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    Ratings:
    +10,311
    LOL. You lost, Ian. They didn't find anything wrong in any of the inquiries, and the denial dingbats ended up with egg on their face.
     
  6. IanC
    Offline

    IanC Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    9,191
    Thanks Received:
    1,070
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +2,441

    It is sad that you think that anything but science itself has lost in this whole debacle. I still can't figure you out. you profess a love of science yet you seem happy that so many of the scientists involved with climate science use distorted data and methods to produce studies that support predetermined views. and when those scientists get caught out in their lies you dont seem to consider it a stain on their integrity, or a doubt on the veracity of their work.

    Why didnt Mann just put the decline on his graph like any real scientist would feel obligated to do? Why did Jones lie about the quality and sources of his data on UHI effects? Why did the Hockey team delete the emails showing the petty and underhanded dealings they had with AR4 and various climate journals to preserve the known-to-be-inaccurate hockey stick for the IPCC report? Over and over again these guys get tripped up and caught out for gaming the system and reporting studies that they know are not the best representations of the facts as we know them but you are always happy when they 'get off on a technicality'. you are just as corrupt as they are.
     
  7. IanC
    Offline

    IanC Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    9,191
    Thanks Received:
    1,070
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +2,441
    Steve McIntyre is hammering at the door with FOI requests, as are others. and they keep getting closer and closer. climate science would have been much better off just confessing rather than fighting every step of the way. I hope someone makes a movie about the retired squash player who noticed a slight error and kept digging until the whole house of lies collapsed.

    simply the latest in a long line of efforts to get to the bottom of the situation that spawned climategate.More NOAA Disinformation and an Appeal to the UK ICO « Climate Audit
     
  8. Trakar
    Offline

    Trakar VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2011
    Messages:
    1,699
    Thanks Received:
    73
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +73
    Sounds like it could have been lifted nearly verbatium from any number of UFO, Kennedy Assasination, Illuminati, or 9/11 Truth conspiracy site on the internet,...wonder why that is?
     
  9. IanC
    Offline

    IanC Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    9,191
    Thanks Received:
    1,070
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +2,441

    hahahaha, now you want to dismiss climategate as just a conspiracy theory?

    from an article by G Stringer, an MP who was a member of the inquiries into the inquiries done by Oxburgh and Muir Russell-
    Climate jiggery-pokery | News | Manchester Confidential

    add this to the thorough investigation of Mann by Penn State, where they took his word that he did not directly or indirectly contribute to the deletion of emails even though Wahl immediately deleted his AR4 emails as soon as he got the (ahem) forwarded request from Mann. At least Penn actually talked to Mann, the english inquiries didnt even question Jones about trying to get rid of the incriminating emails.

    conspiracy theory indeed! more like just conspiracy committed by some very powerful climate scientists.
     
  10. Old Rocks
    Offline

    Old Rocks Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    46,469
    Thanks Received:
    5,415
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    Ratings:
    +10,311
    Isn't it terrible when real scientists do science, and disagree with the way you think thing ought to be? Why those fellows should be pilloried for stating the world is not as you would like it. Imagine, reporting on real conditions when you want to hear about unreal conditions.

    Why don't you just demand that they stop that damned ice from melting, Ian?
     

Share This Page