Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ask Todd a question, don't expect an answer.... expect some parroting that is blown away by the reality of the truth of the age of a 2 mile high glacier...

Still waiting for your proof.
Let's see backup for your millions of years claim.

 

[Crick]

Dex, basic math. How many days in 175,000 years?

Give up? 63,875,000.

How many inches in two miles?

Give up? 126,720

What accumulation rate is required to build up two miles of ice in 175,000 years?

Give up? 0.0019838748 inches per day

Think about that Mr Dex. Think hard.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dex, basic math. How many days in 175,000 years?

Give up? 63,875,000.

How many inches in two miles?

Give up? 126,720

What accumulation rate is required to build up two miles of ice in 175,000 years?

Give up? 0.0019838748 inches per day

Think about that Mr Dex. Think hard.

I don't think math is one of his strong suits.

 

[Old Rocks]

Nor is thinking.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nor is thinking.

What?

This is from an old guy who imbelesihs the fact that he forgot about his youth?

And can't phantom ice that melts?

In psychology terms that sounds like a guy that is a narrocosit ..

4.5 billion years latter he thinks he was born in the right little 100 year time frame to command " look at me the world is going to end"

Sorry pay you won't see it, or your grand kids or their grand kids

 

[jc456]

timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.

16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented

Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?

timelines overlap. he's done.

450000 to 800000 years ago, Greenland green --link presented
16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented. If you can't see the overlap timeline, I can't help you.

16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented

Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?

Post #215, link provided.

Post #217.....

The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles.

From the genetic material of these organisms, the researchers infer that Greenland’s temperature once varied from 50 degrees Fahrenheit in summer to 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit in winter—the temperature range that the tree species prefer.

“We have shown for the first time that southern Greenland … was once very different to the Greenland we see today,” said study leader Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen.

Less glacial cover in ancient Greenland means the global ocean was probably between three and six feet higher during that time compared to current levels, the scientists say.

“To get this site ice free you would’ve had to remove the ice cover from about the southern third of Greenland,” study team member Martin Sharp, a glaciologist at the University of Alberta, Canada, told LiveScience.

The findings, detailed in the July 6 issue of the journal Science, demonstrate how far the young field of ancient DNA research has come: scientists can now recreate an environment’s climate and ecology using only recovered DNA, without the need for fossils that might be absent or hard to reach.

“To go from dirty water to a forest full of insects is pretty amazing,” study team member Matthew Collins, a biomolecular archaeologist at the University of York, said in a related Science news article.

Greenland’s thick ice sheets served as a perfect, natural freezer for preserving the prehistoric DNA. Older genetic samples have been found, but none in such pristine condition as the new Greenland samples.

The team says their technique could be applied to DNA found in other icy parts of the globe, such as Antarctica. “Given that 10 percent of the Earth’s terrestrial surface is covered by thick ice sheets, it could open up a world of new discoveries,” said study team member Enrico Cappellini of the University of York in the United Kingdom.

Plants still survive in Greenland today, although mostly along the island’s coast, since the interior is blanketed in ice. “There’s tundra vegetation,” Sharp said. “There’s also dwarf birch probably, and willows almost are certain. But not pine or spruce, which we have in the DNA here.”

I never denied Greenland was green, BTW.

No mention in there of continent spanning glacier in NA during any green period in Greenland.

Thanks for trying to help LaDerpster, he can use all the help he can get.

you're correct, in that link there was no mention of north america. I agree. It was the post with the link for North America in #220. Again, timelines intersect between 450,000 and 800,000. so if the link in #220 says north america was ice up to 16,000 years ago out 1 million years, and greenland was green less than that time frame at 450,000 to 800,000, they intersect right there. 16,000 years ago is years away from 450,000 year ago in my math.

Again, timelines intersect between 450,000 and 800,000

Sometime, not during the entire time.

was ice up to 16,000 years ago out 1 million years

Where did you see from 16,000 all the way to 1,000,000, with no interruption?

Sometime, not during the entire time.

Who said entire time?

Where did you see from 16,000 all the way to 1,000,000, with no interruption

The link

 

[jc456]

Glaciers don't shrink?

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

You can post your ice core data from the NA glacier if that proves your claim.

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

To fail to prove how old it was.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose, unless Mammooo and Crick were on the jury...

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

Not as stupid as mentioning Ice Cores as some sort of proof concerning the NA ice sheet.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose

If you posted proof of the million plus year age of the NA glacier, what post #?

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south?

Are you denying the continent moved?

How much did it move in the last 20,000 years?
Or the 20,000 before that?

Good question, are you saying it didn't move?

 

[Crick]

What?
This is from an old guy who imbelesihs [EMBELLISH?] the fact that he forgot about his youth?And can't phantom [FATHOM?] ice that melts? In psychology terms that sounds like a guy that is a narrocosit .. [NARCISSIST?] 4.5 billion years latter he thinks he was born in the right little 100 year time frame to command " look at me the world is going to end" Sorry pay [PAL?] you won't see it, or your grand kids or their grand kids

Don't drink and post.

 

[LaDexter]

Dex, basic math. How many days in 175,000 years?

Give up? 63,875,000.

How many inches in two miles?

Give up? 126,720

What accumulation rate is required to build up two miles of ice in 175,000 years?

Give up? 0.0019838748 inches per day

Think about that Mr Dex. Think hard.

The annual ice cores 500 feet below the surface and lower are compressed way beyond 2 inches. Antarctica is a 40+ million year old ice age and its glaciers are still not yet 2 miles high as they get to the edge of the Antarctic Circle.

But nice try..

 

[LaDexter]

I don't think math is one of his strong suits.

One thing is for certain = nobody here got a higher score on the Math SAT than I did, because nobody can...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented

Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?

16000 years ago NE recovered from an over million year ice age--link presented

Yes, his theory that North America was buried under ice, continuously for a million plus years, until 16000 years ago, was funny.
And wrong.
So if his "overlap" is based on bad info, why do you feel that proves his claim?

Post #215, link provided.

Post #217.....

The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles.

From the genetic material of these organisms, the researchers infer that Greenland’s temperature once varied from 50 degrees Fahrenheit in summer to 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit in winter—the temperature range that the tree species prefer.

“We have shown for the first time that southern Greenland … was once very different to the Greenland we see today,” said study leader Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen.

Less glacial cover in ancient Greenland means the global ocean was probably between three and six feet higher during that time compared to current levels, the scientists say.

“To get this site ice free you would’ve had to remove the ice cover from about the southern third of Greenland,” study team member Martin Sharp, a glaciologist at the University of Alberta, Canada, told LiveScience.

The findings, detailed in the July 6 issue of the journal Science, demonstrate how far the young field of ancient DNA research has come: scientists can now recreate an environment’s climate and ecology using only recovered DNA, without the need for fossils that might be absent or hard to reach.

“To go from dirty water to a forest full of insects is pretty amazing,” study team member Matthew Collins, a biomolecular archaeologist at the University of York, said in a related Science news article.

Greenland’s thick ice sheets served as a perfect, natural freezer for preserving the prehistoric DNA. Older genetic samples have been found, but none in such pristine condition as the new Greenland samples.

The team says their technique could be applied to DNA found in other icy parts of the globe, such as Antarctica. “Given that 10 percent of the Earth’s terrestrial surface is covered by thick ice sheets, it could open up a world of new discoveries,” said study team member Enrico Cappellini of the University of York in the United Kingdom.

Plants still survive in Greenland today, although mostly along the island’s coast, since the interior is blanketed in ice. “There’s tundra vegetation,” Sharp said. “There’s also dwarf birch probably, and willows almost are certain. But not pine or spruce, which we have in the DNA here.”

I never denied Greenland was green, BTW.

No mention in there of continent spanning glacier in NA during any green period in Greenland.

Thanks for trying to help LaDerpster, he can use all the help he can get.

you're correct, in that link there was no mention of north america. I agree. It was the post with the link for North America in #220. Again, timelines intersect between 450,000 and 800,000. so if the link in #220 says north america was ice up to 16,000 years ago out 1 million years, and greenland was green less than that time frame at 450,000 to 800,000, they intersect right there. 16,000 years ago is years away from 450,000 year ago in my math.

Again, timelines intersect between 450,000 and 800,000

Sometime, not during the entire time.

was ice up to 16,000 years ago out 1 million years

Where did you see from 16,000 all the way to 1,000,000, with no interruption?

Sometime, not during the entire time.

Who said entire time?

Where did you see from 16,000 all the way to 1,000,000, with no interruption

The link

Not there.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Glaciers don't shrink?

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

You can post your ice core data from the NA glacier if that proves your claim.

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

To fail to prove how old it was.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose, unless Mammooo and Crick were on the jury...

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

Not as stupid as mentioning Ice Cores as some sort of proof concerning the NA ice sheet.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose

If you posted proof of the million plus year age of the NA glacier, what post #?

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south?

Are you denying the continent moved?

How much did it move in the last 20,000 years?
Or the 20,000 before that?

Good question, are you saying it didn't move?

Are you saying it did? How far?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't think math is one of his strong suits.

One thing is for certain = nobody here got a higher score on the Math SAT than I did, because nobody can...

And your weak showing here......traumatic brain injury? Drugs? Tertiary syphilis?

 

[LaDexter]

I'm not the idiot here who thinks a two mile high glacier is under a million years old. Any idea which idiot here thinks that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm not the idiot here who thinks a two mile high glacier is under a million years old. Any idea which idiot here thinks that?

You're the idiot who thinks it has to be a million years old, but can't show that anyone agrees with you.

Those pesky interglacials just keep getting in your way, eh?

 

[jc456]

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...


A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose, unless Mammooo and Crick were on the jury...

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

Not as stupid as mentioning Ice Cores as some sort of proof concerning the NA ice sheet.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose

If you posted proof of the million plus year age of the NA glacier, what post #?

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south?

Are you denying the continent moved?

How much did it move in the last 20,000 years?
Or the 20,000 before that?

Good question, are you saying it didn't move?

Are you saying it did? How far?

well since all of the continents were all together and why asians were able to migrate onto the continent without boats, I'd say yeah it moved. from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay;

North American Plate

snippet:

"North America, Greenland and Eurasia were once part of Pangaea. The east coast of North America was attached to West Africa. This northern portion of Pangaea has been called Laurasia and was separated from Gondwanaland by a large wedge-shaped sea, the Tethys. (The name Laurasia is a blend of Laurentia, from the St. Lawrence River, and Eurasia.) Laurasia began to break apart from Gondwanaland about 180 million years ago. Greenland and Eurasia broke off about 80 million years ago."

 

[jc456]

Cenozoic Era | geochronology

Snippet:

"On a global scale the Cenozoic witnessed the further dismemberment of the Northern Hemispheric supercontinent of Laurasia: Greenland and Scandinavia separated during the early Cenozoic about 55 million years ago, and the Norwegian-Greenland Sea emerged, linking the North Atlantic and Arctic oceans. The Atlantic continued to expand while the Pacific experienced a net reduction in size as a result of continued seafloor spreading. The equatorially situated east–west Tethyan seaway linking the Atlantic and Pacific oceans was modified significantly in the east during the middle Eocene—about 45 million years ago—by the junction of India with Eurasia, and it was severed into two parts by the Atlantic and Pacific oceans was modified significantly in the east during the middle Eocene—about 45 million years ago—by the junction of India with Eurasia, and it was severed into two parts by the confluence of Africa, Arabia, and Eurasia during the early Miocene approximately 18 million years ago. The western part of the Tethys evolved into the Mediterranean Sea not long after it had been cut off from the global ocean system about 6 million to 5 million years ago and had formed evaporite deposits which reach up to several kilometres in thickness in a land-locked basin that may have resembled Death Valley in present-day California. Antarctica remained centred on the South Pole throughout the Cenozoic, but the northern continents converged in a northward direction"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ice age glaciers do not shrink, until the tectonic plate moves the ice age glacier away from the Pole...

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south? DERP!

A stupid question about that which no longer exists.

Not as stupid as mentioning Ice Cores as some sort of proof concerning the NA ice sheet.

If we went to court with just what is posted and linked here, you'd lose

If you posted proof of the million plus year age of the NA glacier, what post #?

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south?

Are you denying the continent moved?

How much did it move in the last 20,000 years?
Or the 20,000 before that?

Good question, are you saying it didn't move?

Are you saying it did? How far?

well since all of the continents were all together and why asians were able to migrate onto the continent without boats, I'd say yeah it moved. from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay;

North American Plate

snippet:

"North America, Greenland and Eurasia were once part of Pangaea. The east coast of North America was attached to West Africa. This northern portion of Pangaea has been called Laurasia and was separated from Gondwanaland by a large wedge-shaped sea, the Tethys. (The name Laurasia is a blend of Laurentia, from the St. Lawrence River, and Eurasia.) Laurasia began to break apart from Gondwanaland about 180 million years ago. Greenland and Eurasia broke off about 80 million years ago."

well since all of the continents were all together and why asians were able to migrate onto the continent without boats, I'd say yeah it moved.

You think Asians migrated because the plates moved in the last 20,000 years?

Are you familiar with Ron White?

 

[jc456]

The NA glacier melted 20,000 years ago because the NA plate suddenly moved south?

Are you denying the continent moved?

How much did it move in the last 20,000 years?
Or the 20,000 before that?

Good question, are you saying it didn't move?

Are you saying it did? How far?

well since all of the continents were all together and why asians were able to migrate onto the continent without boats, I'd say yeah it moved. from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay;

North American Plate

snippet:

"North America, Greenland and Eurasia were once part of Pangaea. The east coast of North America was attached to West Africa. This northern portion of Pangaea has been called Laurasia and was separated from Gondwanaland by a large wedge-shaped sea, the Tethys. (The name Laurasia is a blend of Laurentia, from the St. Lawrence River, and Eurasia.) Laurasia began to break apart from Gondwanaland about 180 million years ago. Greenland and Eurasia broke off about 80 million years ago."

well since all of the continents were all together and why asians were able to migrate onto the continent without boats, I'd say yeah it moved.

You think Asians migrated because the plates moved in the last 20,000 years?

Are you familiar with Ron White?

no because the ice was melting allowing for travel and the connection to siberia through alaska allowed migration. At least that is the theory.

Here's how the plates moved:

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How much did it move in the last 20,000 years?
Or the 20,000 before that?

Good question, are you saying it didn't move?

Are you saying it did? How far?

well since all of the continents were all together and why asians were able to migrate onto the continent without boats, I'd say yeah it moved. from the University of Wisconsin Green Bay;

North American Plate

snippet:

"North America, Greenland and Eurasia were once part of Pangaea. The east coast of North America was attached to West Africa. This northern portion of Pangaea has been called Laurasia and was separated from Gondwanaland by a large wedge-shaped sea, the Tethys. (The name Laurasia is a blend of Laurentia, from the St. Lawrence River, and Eurasia.) Laurasia began to break apart from Gondwanaland about 180 million years ago. Greenland and Eurasia broke off about 80 million years ago."

well since all of the continents were all together and why asians were able to migrate onto the continent without boats, I'd say yeah it moved.

You think Asians migrated because the plates moved in the last 20,000 years?

Are you familiar with Ron White?

no because the ice was melting allowing for travel and the connection to siberia through alaska allowed migration. At least that is the theory.

Here's how the plates moved:

no because the ice was melting allowing for travel

The melting ice allowed for travel? LOL!