Climate Scientist Admits AGW a myth and psychological deception

[elektra]

link?

Yea, old crock is looking for the missing link, his kin.

 

[Crick]

A few years ago a peer reviewed paper blamed the obesity epidemic on increasing CO2 levels, based on scant and conflicting evidence.

Proof that anything can be blamed on CO2, no matter how absurd.

It's not "proof" of anything and it says exactly SQUAT about AGW, doesn't it.

 

[mamooth]

The OP's source never had anyone claiming "CO2 makes you stupid".

Yet Billy is claiming it did. He actually thought the statement "400 ppm is a psychological tipping point" was someone saying "CO2 physically makes people stupid", and then he went off on several raving points to disprove that strawman.

Conclusion: Billy is a jabbering moron and skilled propagandist.

A couple other deniers used Billy's propaganda rant as an excuse to push their own victimhood tantrums, not caring about any silly facts. But why should they care? Cultists aren't concerned with honesty or making sense. They only care about pushing the goals of the cult, and will justify any sleaze in the name of that. Now that deniers have given up on the science, they're only interesting as examples of abnormal cult psychology.

 

[whitehall]

Right now it is 20 degrees below normal temperature in the middle of May on the east coast. It indicates that AGW is more of a religion than a science where you have to disregard your senses and have faith in a freaking guru like Al Gore who has no scientific background. You also get to call skeptics "deniers" while you pat yourself on your hypocrite back for being so caring about the environment.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

My, my, Ian, you are sounding more and more like jc and Silly Billy. Fine company you are keeping there.

Nope. I have just had six or seven years of experience with your dishonest contributions here. You run away from topics where you have be shown wrong and seemingly forget it ever happened. The next time the topic comes up you demand that the whole thing be proven all over again. Like I said, a waste of time.

Typical liberal behavior.
They use the tactic in all their threads.

Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.

 

[IanC]

My, my, Ian, you are sounding more and more like jc and Silly Billy. Fine company you are keeping there.

Nope. I have just had six or seven years of experience with your dishonest contributions here. You run away from topics where you have be shown wrong and seemingly forget it ever happened. The next time the topic comes up you demand that the whole thing be proven all over again. Like I said, a waste of time.

Typical liberal behavior.
They use the tactic in all their threads.

Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.

Thanks. That fits Old Rocks to a 'T'.

 

[elektra]

The OP's source never had anyone claiming "CO2 makes you stupid".

Yet Billy is claiming it did. He actually thought the statement "400 ppm is a psychological tipping point" was someone saying "CO2 physically makes people stupid", and then he went off on several raving points to disprove that strawman.

Conclusion: Billy is a jabbering moron and skilled propagandist.

A couple other deniers used Billy's propaganda rant as an excuse to push their own victimhood tantrums, not caring about any silly facts. But why should they care? Cultists aren't concerned with honesty or making sense. They only care about pushing the goals of the cult, and will justify any sleaze in the name of that. Now that deniers have given up on the science, they're only interesting as examples of abnormal cult psychology.

The CO2 tipping point made you reply with stupidity.

 

[elektra]

It is funny to see how torn up and angry the AGW cult gets when presented with facts.

 

[bripat9643]

A few years ago a peer reviewed paper blamed the obesity epidemic on increasing CO2 levels, based on scant and conflicting evidence.

Proof that anything can be blamed on CO2, no matter how absurd.

A (Not Quite) Complete List Of Things Supposedly
Caused By Global Warming

Acne , Longer plane flights , agricultural land increase , Afghan poppies destroyed , Africa devastated , Africa in conflict , African aid threatened , African summer frost , aggressive weeds , More Toxic Poison Ivy , air pressure changes , airport malaria , Agulhas current , Alaska reshaped , moves , allergy season longer , alligators in the Thames , Alps melting , Amazon a desert , American dream end , amphibians breeding earlier (or not) ,anaphylactic reactions to bee stings , ancient forests dramatically changed , animals head for the hills , animals shrink , Antarctic grass flourishes , Antarctic ice grows , Antarctic ice shrinks , Antarctic sea life at risk , anxiety treatment , algal blooms , archaeological sites threatened , Arab Spring , Arctic bogs melt , Arctic in bloom , Arctic ice free , Arctic ice melt faster , Arctic lakes disappear , Arctic tundra to burn , Arctic warming (not) , Atlantic less salty , Atlantic more salty , atmospheric circulation modified , attack of the killer jellyfish , avalanches reduced ,avalanches increased , Baghdad snow , Bahrain under water , bananas grow , barbarisation , beer shortage , beetle infestation , bet for $10,000 , better beer , big melt faster , billion dollar research projects , billion homeless ,billions face risk , billions of deaths , bird distributions change , bird loss accelerating , birds shrinking , bird strikes, bird visitors drop , birds confused , birds decline (Wales) , birds driven north , birds return early , bittern boom ends , blackbirds stop singing , blackbirds threatened , Black Hawk down , blood contaminated , blue mussels return , bluetongue , brain eating amoebae , brains shrink , bridge collapse (Minneapolis) , Britain one big city ,Smaller loaves of Bread , Britain Siberian , brothels struggle , brown Ireland , bubonic plague , budget increases ,Buddhist temple threatened , building collapse , building season extension , bushfires , business risks , butterflies move north , camel deaths , cancer deaths in England , cannibalism , cannibalism again , caterpillar biomass shift ,cave paintings threatened , childhood insomnia , Cholera , circumcision in decline , cirrus disappearance , civil unrest , cloud increase , coast beauty spots lost , cockroach migration , coffee threatened , cold climate creatures survive , cold spells (Australia) , cold wave (India) , computer models , conferences , conflict , conflict with Russia, consumers foot the bill , coral bleaching , coral fish suffer , coral reefs dying , coral reefs grow , coral reefs shrink, coral reefs twilight , Cabbage Shortage , cost of trillions , cougar attacks , crabgrass menace , cradle of civilisation threatened , creatures move uphill , crime increase , crocodile sex , crops devastated , crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems , curriculum change , cyclones (Australia) , danger to kid's health , Darfur , Dartford Warbler plague , death rate increase (US) , deaths to reach 6 million , Dengue hemorrhagic fever , depression , depressed PETS! , desert advance , desert retreat , destruction of the environment , disappearance of coastal cities , disasters ,diseases move from animals to humans , diseases move north , dog disease , Dolomites collapse , dozen deadly diseases , Drop in birth rates , drought , ducks and geese decline , dust bowl in the corn belt , early marriages , early spring , earlier pollen season , Earth biodiversity crisis , Earth dying , Earth even hotter , Earth light dimming ,Earth lopsided , Earth melting , Earth morbid fever , Earth on fast track , Earth past point of no return , Earth slowing down , Earth slowing down 2 , Earth spins faster , Earth spins faster 2 , Earth to explode , Earth's poles shift , earth upside down , earthquakes , Specifically the 2015 Nepal earthquake , earthquakes redux , earthquakes redux 2 , Egypt revolt , El Niño intensification , end of the world as we know it , erosion , emerging infections ,encephalitis , English villages lost , equality threatened , Europe simultaneously baking and freezing ,eutrophication , evolution accelerating , expansion of university climate groups ,

extinctions

human , civilisation , logic , Colony Collapse Disorder (Bees dying) , Inuit , smallest butterfly , cod , ladybirds ,pikas , polar bears , make polar bears eat their cubs , possums , walrus , toads , plants , salmon , trout , wild flowers, woodlice , a million species , half of all animal and plant species , mountain species , not polar bears , barrier reef ,leaches , salamanders , tropical insects)

experts muzzled , extreme changes to California , fading fall foliage , fainting , famine , farmers benefit , farmers go under , farm output boost , fashion disaster , fever , figurehead sacked , fir cone bonanza , fish bigger , fish catches drop , fish downsize , fish catches rise , fish deaf , fish get lost , fish head north , fish stocks at risk , fish stocks decline , five million illnesses , flames stoked , flesh eating disease , flood patterns change , floods , floods of beaches and cities , flood of migrants , flood preparation for crisis , Florida economic decline , flowers in peril ,fog (more) in San Francisco , fog (less) in San Francisco , food poisoning , food prices rise , food prices soar , food security threat (SA) , football team migration , footpath erosion , forest decline , forest expansion , frog with extra heads , frostbite , frost damage increased , frosts , fungi fruitful , fungi invasion , games change , Garden of Eden wilts , geese decline in Hampshire , genetic diversity decline , gene pools slashed , giant oysters invade , giant pythons invade , giant squid migrate , gingerbread houses collapse , glacial earthquakes , glacial retreat , glacial growth , glacier grows (California) , glacier wrapped , global cooling , global dimming , glowing clouds , golf course to drown , golf Masters wrecked , grandstanding , grasslands wetter , Great Barrier Reef 95% dead , Great Lakes drop , great tits cope , greening of the North , Grey whales lose weight , Gulf Stream failure , habitat loss ,haggis threatened , Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome , harmful algae , harvest increase , harvest shrinkage , hay fever epidemic , health affected , health of children harmed , health risks , heart disease , heart attacks and strokes (Australia) , heat waves , hibernation affected , hibernation ends too soon , hibernation ends too late , high court debates , Hitler , HIV epidemic , homeless 50 million , hornets , horses shrink , human development faces unprecedented reversal , human fertility reduced , human health risk , human race oblivion , hurricanes , hurricane reduction , hurricanes fewer , hurricanes not , hydropower problems , hyperthermia deaths , ice age , ice sheet growth , ice sheet shrinkage , icebergs , illegal immigration , illness and death , inclement weather , India drowning, infrastructure failure (Canada) , industry threatened , infectious diseases , nflation in China , insect explosion ,insurance premium rises , Inuit displacement , Inuit poisoned , Inuit suing , invasion of cats , invasion of crabgrass ,invasion of herons , invasion of jellyfish , invasion of king crabs , invasion of midges , island disappears , islands sinking , Creation of ISIS , itchier poison ivy , jellyfish explosion , jets fall from sky , jet stream drifts north , Kew Gardens taxed , kidney stones , kidney stones again , killer cornflakes , killing us , kitten boom , koalas under threat, krill decline , lake and stream productivity decline , lake empties , lake shrinking and growing , landslides ,landslides of ice at 140 mph , lawsuits increase , lawsuit successful , lawyers' income increased (surprise surprise!) ,lawyers want more , legionnaires' surge , lives saved , lizards change sex , Loch Ness monster dead , Locust plagues suppressed , Longer wprk breaks , Lopsided Earth , lush growth in rain forests , Malaria , mammoth dung melt , mango harvest fails , Maple production advanced , Maple syrup shortage , marine diseases , marine food chain decimated , Meaching (end of the world) , Mediterranean rises , megacryometeors , Melanoma , Melanoma decline , Mental health of farmers , meteors from space , methane emissions from plants , methane burps , methane runaway , melting permafrost , Middle Kingdom convulses , migration , migration difficult (birds) , migratory birds huge losses , microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly , minorities hit , monkeys on the move , Mont Blanc grows , monuments imperiled , moose dying , more bad air days , more research needed , mortality increased ,mountain (Everest) shrinking , mountaineers fears , mountains break up , mountains green and flowering ,mountains taller , mortality lower , murder higher , Mutate humans , Myanmar cyclone , narwhals at risk , National security implications , native wildlife overwhelmed , natural disasters quadruple , new islands , next ice age , NFL threatened , Nile delta damaged , noctilucent clouds , no effect in India , Northwest Passage opened , nuclear plants bloom , oaks dying , oaks move north , ocean acidification , ocean acidification faster , ocean dead zones unleashed, ocean deserts expand , ocean waves speed up , oceans noisier , opera house to be destroyed , outdoor hockey threatened , ozone repair slowed , ozone rise , Pacific dead zone , penguin chicks frozen , personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks , pests increase , phenology shifts , plankton blooms , plankton destabilised , plants lose protein ,plants march north , plants move uphill , polar bears aggressive , polar bears cannibalistic , polar bears deaf , polar bears drowning , polar bears eating themselves, , polar tours scrapped , popcorn rise , porpoise astray , profits collapse , prostitution , prostitution (again) , psychiatric illness , puffin decline , radars taken out , railroad tracks deformed , rainfall increase , rape wave , refugees , refugees again , reindeer endangered , release of ancient frozen viruses , resorts disappear , rice threatened , rice yields crash , rift on Capitol Hill , rioting and nuclear war , Rise and Fall of Rome , river flow impacted , rivers raised , roads wear out , robins rampant , rocky peaks crack apart ,roof of the world a desert ,rooftop bars , Ross river disease , ruins ruined , Russia under pressure , salinity reduction, salinity increase , Salmonella , Salmon Decline , satellites accelerate , school closures , sea level rise , sea level rise faster , seals mating more , sewer bills rise , severe thunderstorms , sex change , sexual promiscuity , shark attacks , sharks booming , sharks moving north , sheep shrink , shop closures , short-nosed dogs endangered ,shrinking ponds , shrinking shrine , ski resorts threatened , skin cancer , slow death , smaller brains , smog ,snowfall increase , snowfall heavy , soaring food prices , societal collapse , soil change , songbirds change eating habits , sour grapes , space problem , spectacular orchids , spiders invade Scotland , squid aggressive giants , squid population explosion , squid tamed , squirrels reproduce earlier , stingray invasion , storms wetter , stormwater drains stressed , street crime to increase , subsidence , suicide , swordfish in the Baltic , Tabasco tragedy , taxes ,tectonic plate movement , teenage drinking , terrorism , terrorism again , threat to peace , ticks move northward (Sweden) , tides rise , tigers eat people , tomatoes rot , tornado outbreak , tourism increase , trade barriers , trade winds weakened , traffic jams , transportation threatened , tree foliage increase (UK) , tree growth slowed , trees in trouble , trees less colourful , trees more colourful , trees lush , tropics expansion , tropopause raised , truffle shortage , truffles down , turtles crash , Turbulence in air travel , turtle feminised , turtles lay earlier , UFO sightings, UK coastal impact , UK Katrina , uprooted - 6 million , Vampire bats , Vampire moths , Venice flooded , violin decline , volcanic eruptions , volcanic eruptions redux , Iceland volcano eruption , walrus pups orphaned , walrus stampede , war , war between US and Canada , wars over water , wars sparked , wars threaten billions , wasps ,water bills double , water scarcity (20% of increase) , water stress , weather out of its mind , weather patterns awry ,Western aid cancelled out , West Nile fever , whales lose weight , whales move north , whales wiped out , wheat yields crushed in Australia , wildfires , wind shift , wind reduced , wine - harm to Australian industry , wine industry damage (California) , wine industry disaster (France) , wine - more English , wine industry disaster (US) ,wine - more English , wine - England too hot , wine -German boon , wine - no more French , wine passé (Napa) ,wine stronger , winters in Britain colder , winter in Britain dead , witchcraft executions , wolves eat more moose ,wolves eat less , workers laid off , World at war , World War 4 , World bankruptcy , World in crisis , World in flames , Yellow fever

 

[Crick]

What's your point? Do you think mainstream climate scientists or the folks at the IPCC are worried about the high price of lawyers or kidney stones? Mind you, a great deal of the things on your list ARE threatened by global warming and ARE things we ought to be concerned about: the extinction of whales (and many other species), agricultural failures, increasingly intense storms and so forth.

What's worrisome is that you think none of this applies to you. Fool.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dr Fraser said the difference between 399 and 400ppm was trivial, but when it does hit 400ppm mark it would be a “psychological tipping point”....

To put the 400ppm into perspective, Dr Fraser said if you stood near a highway with cars going past, you could be hit with 500ppm of CO2....

Yes it was a “psychological tipping point”. At that point it gave the rabid deniers a chance to rejoice,
Nothing happened! ... We won! ... The models are wrong! ... algore is a moron!, etc.

All of which is true

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's your point? Do you think mainstream climate scientists or the folks at the IPCC are worried about the high price of lawyers or kidney stones? Mind you, a great deal of the things on your list ARE threatened by global warming and ARE things we ought to be concerned about: the extinction of whales (and many other species), agricultural failures, increasingly intense storms and so forth.

What's worrisome is that you think none of this applies to you. Fool.

IPCC, the organization that admitted Global Warming is nothing but a wealth distribution scheme

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore..."

 

[jon_berzerk]

Dr Fraser said the difference between 399 and 400ppm was trivial, but when it does hit 400ppm mark it would be a “psychological tipping point”....

To put the 400ppm into perspective, Dr Fraser said if you stood near a highway with cars going past, you could be hit with 500ppm of CO2....

Yes it was a “psychological tipping point”. At that point it gave the rabid deniers a chance to rejoice,
Nothing happened! ... We won! ... The models are wrong! ... algore is a moron!, etc.

All of which is true

it appears it is time to call for separation of church and state with man made global warming

 

[jc456]

Evidence of the scam:

"scientific Consensus"

Was Global Warming, now Climate Change so as to cover everything.

Intolerance of opposing views and marginalizing of contrary evidence.

Intimidation.

Fraud.

And the biggest clue to the scam: the answer to the problem is to elect more democrats and push the left wing agenda.

they also stated more severe weather, more hurricanes and bzzzzzzzt nothing of the sort.

 

[elektra]

What's your point? Do you think mainstream climate scientists or the folks at the IPCC are worried about the high price of lawyers or kidney stones? Mind you, a great deal of the things on your list ARE threatened by global warming and ARE things we ought to be concerned about: the extinction of whales (and many other species), agricultural failures, increasingly intense storms and so forth.

What's worrisome is that you think none of this applies to you. Fool.

Whales? Now that is a glaring admission of your ignorance.

You never heard of Commercial Whaling? You know, killing the Whales for profit. That drove them to the brink of extinction, and for some species, extinction.

Agriculture Failures and intense storms? Longer growing seasons, more CO2, and extra rain is going to cause agriculture failures?

 

[Crick]

You're trying to change the topic. The point is that most of this list of nonsense is just that and only that. It has nothing to do with the validity of AGW and the threats it poses.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Now this is just o dam funny...

Dr Fraser said the difference between 399 and 400ppm was trivial, but when it does hit 400ppm mark it would be a “psychological tipping point”....

To put the 400ppm into perspective, Dr Fraser said if you stood near a highway with cars going past, you could be hit with 500ppm of CO2....

source

So its simply how to make people feel afraid and give up their rights...

Then we have US Submarine Operations, you know the guys who have their fingers on nuclear launch codes, who live at 3,500ppm on average and have operated at 11,300ppm without ill effect, Claim: CO2 makes you stupid? Ask a submariner that question

Hilarious.... Their cry's of doom are simply psychological warfare for their agenda..

No wonder why you clipped those pieces out of the story because the whole story would show you a liar.

He said if country air reached 400ppm that the cities would see more smog and pollution. I have yet to see you present a reason why this is wrong.

And the reason you lied about the link shows you have nothing to stand on but lies.

 

[skookerasbil]

Great find Billy..........the whole deception thing is so f'ing ghey. If you follow these frauds closely, they are exceedingly fond of using terms like "higher"......."greater"........"increased"........"grown"........"warmer"..........."% increase"........"dropping"............

That's the way of the progressive phonies.......dupe the reader. Paint a fake Mona Lisa. Professional frauds.


Curious people who come in here to view the debate...........take notice. Take notice of this one thing in particular...........


The AGW alarmists arguments never, ever stand up to the question, "As compared to what?". Watch their posts on subjects like electric vehicles........solar power........forest fires.........extreme weather events..........energy costs. When the arguments are pitted against a comparison, they lose every time!!! Such conduct is the height of ghey...........these people have the same character of Brian Williams, the NBC journalist. No need to elaborate............

 

[elektra]

You're trying to change the topic. The point is that most of this list of nonsense is just that and only that. It has nothing to do with the validity of AGW and the threats it poses.

Change the topic, you stated that global warming drove the Whales to extinction, I can see why you want to run and hide from that post, but stating someone is changing the topic, is hardly the way to ignore your ignorance.

 

[elektra]

No wonder why you clipped those pieces out of the story because the whole story would show you a liar.

He said if country air reached 400ppm that the cities would see more smog and pollution. I have yet to see you present a reason why this is wrong.

And the reason you lied about the link shows you have nothing to stand on but lies.

Cause there is less smog and pollution in the cities!