Climate Change Deniers Are Lying

[Sun Devil 92]

It's great to see our education system turn out people who simply say

"You are lying."

I have yet to see anything that supports the claim yet.

Me, I am undecided.

But I get a little sick of people wasting bandwidth with these constant tripe chants.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level could gravely affect our future. (This essay covers only developments relating directly to carbon dioxide, with a separate essay for Other Greenhouse Gases. Theories are discussed in the essay on Simple Models of Climate.

The American Institute of Physics is simply the biggest Scientific Society in the world. This site has many links to information and papers concerning the climate. It is not a blog by undegreed people with no credentials, but a site put together by real working scientists.

I am not sure what, if anything, this is supposed to prove. It simply says people postulated things.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's great to see our education system turn out people who simply say

"You are lying."

I have yet to see anything that supports the claim yet.

Me, I am undecided.

But I get a little sick of people wasting bandwidth with these constant tripe chants.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level could gravely affect our future. (This essay covers only developments relating directly to carbon dioxide, with a separate essay for Other Greenhouse Gases. Theories are discussed in the essay on Simple Models of Climate.

The American Institute of Physics is simply the biggest Scientific Society in the world. This site has many links to information and papers concerning the climate. It is not a blog by undegreed people with no credentials, but a site put together by real working scientists.

We can hope that one day climate change deniers will be held accountable as the criminals they are.
Arrest Climate-Change Deniers

We can hope, but the power elite is rife with polluters, as is the congress with biddable members whose life-blood, campaign bribes, helps them keep their job.

CO2 is a pollutant?

What a fucking moron. So you're a polluter

You're polluting the atmosphere when the CO2 comes from your pie hole.

Ohh just for that I'm going to really exhale!!!

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. Melt you polar ice caps! Eat my CO2!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's great to see our education system turn out people who simply say

"You are lying."

I have yet to see anything that supports the claim yet.

Me, I am undecided.

But I get a little sick of people wasting bandwidth with these constant tripe chants.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level could gravely affect our future. (This essay covers only developments relating directly to carbon dioxide, with a separate essay for Other Greenhouse Gases. Theories are discussed in the essay on Simple Models of Climate.

The American Institute of Physics is simply the biggest Scientific Society in the world. This site has many links to information and papers concerning the climate. It is not a blog by undegreed people with no credentials, but a site put together by real working scientists.

We can hope that one day climate change deniers will be held accountable as the criminals they are.
Arrest Climate-Change Deniers

We can hope, but the power elite is rife with polluters, as is the congress with biddable members whose life-blood, campaign bribes, helps them keep their job.

CO2 is a pollutant?

What a fucking moron. So you're a polluter

CF, I know you're a partisan hack, why do you continue to prove you're that and dumb as a box of rocks too?

The very first time you learned about carbon dioxide was probably in grade school: We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide. Any eight-year-old can rattle off this fact.

It should come as no surprise that, when confronted with the challenge of reducing our carbon emissions from the burning of fossil fuels, some people angrily proclaim, "Why should we bother? Even breathing out creates carbon emissions!"

This statement fails to take into account the other half of the carbon cycle. As you also learned in grade school, plants are the opposite to animals in this respect: Throughphotosynthesis, they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen, in a chemical equation opposite to the one above. (They also perform some respiration, because they need to eat as well, but it is outweighed by the photosynthesis.) The carbon they collect from the CO2 in the air forms their tissues - roots, stems, leaves, and fruit.

These tissues form the base of the food chain, as they are eaten by animals, which are eaten by other animals, and so on. As humans, we are part of this food chain. All the carbon in our body comes either directly or indirectly from plants, which took it out of the air only recently.

Does breathing contribute to CO2 buildup in the atmosphere

Carbon cycle: We breath in oxygen, we exhale CO2 and then morons call CO2 a pollutant.

 

[Liminal]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OMFG!!! Funniest video ever! He's using the Ice cores to demonstrate a link between CO2 and temperature and ignoring that CO2 LAGS by 1,000 years!'

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[jc456]

Climate change deniers lie about everything all the time, they can't do anything else.
Google Company stops funding ALEC over climate change denial.

It's disconcerting that in 1978, the first Superman movie came out featuring leaders of a planet saying much the same things we hear leaders saying now denying climate change.

"FIRST ELDER
No. I'm sorry, Jor-El, but the decision of
the Elders is unanimous.

ON JOR-EL, Handsome, intelligent man; great intensity about him.

JOR-EL
(leaning forward, passionately)
But you can't ignore these facts!
(gesturing toward the
equations inside the black table)
It's suicide! Worse than that, it's genocide.

FIRST ELDER
Jor-El, Be warned. This tone of
yours approaches insolence.

JOR-EL
(a more reasonable tone)
My friends, I am not a rash, impulsive person.
I'm not given to wild, unsupported statements.
We must evacuate this planet immediately!

FIRST ELDER
You are one of Krypton's greatest
scientists Jor-El -

JOR-EL
Then -

FIRST ELDER
But so is Vond-El

VOND-EL
Thank you...
(to Jor-El)
And it isn't that we question
your data. The facts are undeniable.
(gesturing towards the
figures inside the table)
It's your conclusions we find
insupportable

JOR-EL
(excited)
I tell you this planet will
explode in thirty days.

VOND-EL
And I tell you that Krypton is simply
shifting its orbit

JOR-EL
You ask me to stand by while every man ,
woman, and child are destroyed.
"
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/superman_original.txt

Then as expected, Krypton blows up. I just hope that in our case, life doesn't imitate art...

again, who is denying climate change? name someone on here.

Don't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you. The Oceans are warming creating a new normal - droughts and violent storms. As more glacial ice melts, less solar energy is reflected. How much of this warming is related to human behavior? That's the debate.

Deniers have no clue and offer nothing substantive or credible to explain another alternative. It's obvious that the callous conservatives are allmost to the person deniers. If someone doesn't give a shit for those alive today, why expect they would care for others yet to be born.

Climate changes daily, the ocean currents are the same and cyclical, so what, do you have a point? Like I said, the climate changes, who said it doesn't? Name someone. BTW, droughts have always been around due to the ocean currents. The ocean drives climate

 

[Liminal]

 

[Muhammed]

Climate change deniers lie about everything all the time, they can't do anything else.
Google Company stops funding ALEC over climate change denial.

Having fun with that strawman?

Name one person who denies that the climate changes.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Climate change deniers lie about everything all the time, they can't do anything else.
Google Company stops funding ALEC over climate change denial.

It's disconcerting that in 1978, the first Superman movie came out featuring leaders of a planet saying much the same things we hear leaders saying now denying climate change.

"FIRST ELDER
No. I'm sorry, Jor-El, but the decision of
the Elders is unanimous.

ON JOR-EL, Handsome, intelligent man; great intensity about him.

JOR-EL
(leaning forward, passionately)
But you can't ignore these facts!
(gesturing toward the
equations inside the black table)
It's suicide! Worse than that, it's genocide.

FIRST ELDER
Jor-El, Be warned. This tone of
yours approaches insolence.

JOR-EL
(a more reasonable tone)
My friends, I am not a rash, impulsive person.
I'm not given to wild, unsupported statements.
We must evacuate this planet immediately!

FIRST ELDER
You are one of Krypton's greatest
scientists Jor-El -

JOR-EL
Then -

FIRST ELDER
But so is Vond-El

VOND-EL
Thank you...
(to Jor-El)
And it isn't that we question
your data. The facts are undeniable.
(gesturing towards the
figures inside the table)
It's your conclusions we find
insupportable

JOR-EL
(excited)
I tell you this planet will
explode in thirty days.

VOND-EL
And I tell you that Krypton is simply
shifting its orbit

JOR-EL
You ask me to stand by while every man ,
woman, and child are destroyed.
"
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/superman_original.txt

Then as expected, Krypton blows up. I just hope that in our case, life doesn't imitate art...

again, who is denying climate change? name someone on here.

Don't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you. The Oceans are warming creating a new normal - droughts and violent storms. As more glacial ice melts, less solar energy is reflected. How much of this warming is related to human behavior? That's the debate.

Deniers have no clue and offer nothing substantive or credible to explain another alternative. It's obvious that the callous conservatives are allmost to the person deniers. If someone doesn't give a shit for those alive today, why expect they would care for others yet to be born.

Climate changes daily, the ocean currents are the same and cyclical, so what, do you have a point? Like I said, the climate changes, who said it doesn't? Name someone. BTW, droughts have always been around due to the ocean currents. The ocean drives climate

There is some truth to what you have said, ocean currents do impact our climate. Consider the amount of cold fresh water entering the ocean ecosystem everyday. Then get back to me.

Arctic Ocean freshwater will cause unpredictable changes on climate Environment The Guardian

Climate change and the oceans

Ocean Motion Impact Ocean Conveyor Belt

I have to wonder if the deniers are truly willfully ignorant, the more denial I read the stupider the deniers seem.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't forget the Chicago glacier.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Don't forget the Chicago glacier.

Interesting video, too bad your comment was insipid. Are you seeking to take over CrusaderFranks chair?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Have the climate change deniers called for the arrest of climate change alarmists ?

 

[mamooth]

Every denier here has called for that. They all enthusiastically support the attempted prosecution of Dr. Mann and other climate scientists.

In stark contrast, not a single reason-based person here has called for anyone's arrest.

The difference is very clear. Deniers tend to be stalinists who want to jail the opposition, why the reason-based people believe in freedom.

And to deflect from their own documented authoritarian tendencies, various deniers here will try to point to someone that nobody ever heard of as proof of something. Doesn't work. I still just point out that they personally want to jail people, and that their deflection won't make people ignore that.

 

[Liminal]

Climate change deniers lie about everything all the time, they can't do anything else.
Google Company stops funding ALEC over climate change denial.

Having fun with that strawman?

Name one person who denies that the climate changes.

Joe down the street.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Every denier here has called for that. They all enthusiastically support the attempted prosecution of Dr. Mann and other climate scientists.

In stark contrast, not a single reason-based person here has called for anyone's arrest.

The difference is very clear. Deniers tend to be stalinists who want to jail the opposition, why the reason-based people believe in freedom.

And to deflect from their own documented authoritarian tendencies, various deniers here will try to point to someone that nobody ever heard of as proof of something. Doesn't work. I still just point out that they personally want to jail people, and that their deflection won't make people ignore that.

Missed post #15, did you ?

Let me know how that fits your claim.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Every denier here has called for that. They all enthusiastically support the attempted prosecution of Dr. Mann and other climate scientists.

In stark contrast, not a single reason-based person here has called for anyone's arrest.

The difference is very clear. Deniers tend to be stalinists who want to jail the opposition, why the reason-based people believe in freedom.

And to deflect from their own documented authoritarian tendencies, various deniers here will try to point to someone that nobody ever heard of as proof of something. Doesn't work. I still just point out that they personally want to jail people, and that their deflection won't make people ignore that.

I call for federal funding for deprogramming the death worshipping AGWCult

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Has this thread provided anything different than the 100 threads before it ?

Can we ask if reading all these threads can be dangerous to your I.Q. ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Climate change deniers lie about everything all the time, they can't do anything else.
Google Company stops funding ALEC over climate change denial.

Having fun with that strawman?

Name one person who denies that the climate changes.

Joe down the street.

Why don't you pick one of your favorite "deniers" and challenge to enter the bullring with you.

Make sure you define your debate topic with clarity.

Pick three good judges and let's see what you both have to offer in the way of analysis.

The Bull ring is just you and your opponent. Until after the debate is closed out. Then the judges get to weigh in with their vote.

You could even make your "lying" accusation in the bullring. Of course, you'd have to back it up.

I'd love to see just the data laid out in one thread.

What say ye ?

 

[Liminal]

Climate change deniers lie about everything all the time, they can't do anything else.
Google Company stops funding ALEC over climate change denial.

Having fun with that strawman?

Name one person who denies that the climate changes.

Joe down the street.

Why don't you pick one of your favorite "deniers" and challenge to enter the bullring with you.

Make sure you define your debate topic with clarity.

Pick three good judges and let's see what you both have to offer in the way of analysis.

The Bull ring is just you and your opponent. Until after the debate is closed out. Then the judges get to weigh in with their vote.

You could even make your "lying" accusation in the bullring. Of course, you'd have to back it up.

I'd love to see just the data laid out in one thread.

What say ye ?

 

[Muhammed]

Climate change deniers lie about everything all the time, they can't do anything else.
Google Company stops funding ALEC over climate change denial.

Having fun with that strawman?

Name one person who denies that the climate changes.

Joe down the street.

That's what I knew. You are full of shit.

Doesn't that embarass you?