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Try to live on $25,000 a year with a family of our, Widdekind, and come back and tell us what is wrong with that.
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According to the OP, Apple's "poorly paid store employees here in the US" earn $12 / hour, or about $25K / year. Those are some of the highest wages on planet earth. What's wrong with $12 / hour ?
According to the OP, Apple's "poorly paid store employees here in the US" earn $12 / hour, or about $25K / year. Those are some of the highest wages on planet earth. What's wrong with $12 / hour ?
Well, $12 sucks. I estimate it would be almost double without liberal interference in the ecoonomy. Capitalist health care would kick it up to $16 alone.
Don't you understand that Microsoft would have us working 60 hours a week for $4.50 an hour without regulation?
Don't you understand that Microsoft would have us working 60 hours a week for $4.50 an hour without regulation?
That's like saying Microsoft would charge $10,000 for Windows were it not for regulation. A-Rod gets $15 million a season because of competition!! Econ 101 class 1 day one minute! See why we are positive a liberal will always be stupid?? Sorry but what other explanation is possible?
We are talking about regulation that provokes competition not the monopoly that would result from the lack of it,
jesus, ed. You added a and b to your 15 tea party talking points.
A) wages are lower because liberal policies have driven all the jobs away( see below)
B) if one class earns more relative to another it does not mean they took it from the other class or made war against the other class.
1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
3) end business taxation; especially tax incentives to off-shore jobs ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
4) make inflation illegal ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
5) make Federal debt illegal( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
6) send illegal workers home(8 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
7) Pass Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution( 3 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
8) cut pay of government workers in half( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
9) Make health insurance competition legal( 6 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
10) end needless business regulations ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
11) restrict Federal spending to 15% of GNP( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
12) support unlimited free trade( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
13) reduced unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, medicaid.( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
14) privatize education, social security ( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
15) end payroll taxes ( 1 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
Since Democrats always oppose wisdom and common sense the only serious option is to make them illegal as the Constitution intended.
jesus, ed. You added a and b to your 15 tea party talking points.
A) wages are lower because liberal policies have driven all the jobs away( see below)
B) if one class earns more relative to another it does not mean they took it from the other class or made war against the other class.
1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
3) end business taxation; especially tax incentives to off-shore jobs ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
4) make inflation illegal ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
5) make Federal debt illegal( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
6) send illegal workers home(8 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
7) Pass Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution( 3 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
8) cut pay of government workers in half( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
9) Make health insurance competition legal( 6 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
10) end needless business regulations ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
11) restrict Federal spending to 15% of GNP( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
12) support unlimited free trade( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
13) reduced unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, medicaid.( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
14) privatize education, social security ( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
15) end payroll taxes ( 1 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
Since Democrats always oppose wisdom and common sense the only serious option is to make them illegal as the Constitution intended.
Funny how all of your points are beneficial to the wealthy, including the corporatists.
You are a true tool, ed.
Wow. I am so surprised that you do not think corporate monopoly is a big problem.We are talking about regulation that provokes competition not the monopoly that would result from the lack of it,
too stupid!!!! there is plenty of international competition today so monopoly is the very least of our economic issues. Is the liberal worried IBM or HP or GM or GE are about to gain a worldwide monopoly. See why we have to assume liberalism is perfectly stupid?? What other explanation is possible??
Wow. I am so surprised that you do not think corporate monopoly is a big problem.
Great, insightful post. You really should not post something like this and then call others slow.Wow. I am so surprised that you do not think corporate monopoly is a big problem.
of course if it is a big problem you would not be so afraid to identify the monopoly!! Does your fear tell you that as a liberal you must be very very slow? What other conclusion is possible?
If you can not see monopoly power out there, then you are not only dumb but blind.
We are talking about regulation that provokes competition not the monopoly that would result from the lack of it,
too stupid!!!! there is plenty of international competition today so monopoly is the very least of our economic issues. Is the liberal worried IBM or HP or GM or GE are about to gain a worldwide monopoly. See why we have to assume liberalism is perfectly stupid?? What other explanation is possible??
$25K / year is allot of money. Trim expenses, live within means. You don't need to live in an expensive house, or drive an expensive car.Try to live on $25,000 a year with a family of four, Widdekind, and come back and tell us what is wrong with that.
$15K / year is more money than most of mankind makes. You're saying, that businesses (Apple, Microsoft) "owe" US workers earth-world-record wages, which they "deserve" ? If every worker on this world demanded comparable wages, the global economy would fail. You sense a downward pressure, on your wages, from "US business". i attribute the same pressure, ultimately, to "foreign workers", who are willing & able, to work harder, for less pay, than US workers (in many cases, much of the time, not always).Microsoft would have us working 60 hours a week for $4.50 an hour without regulation?
Ah, you are a libertarian.$25K / year is allot of money. Trim expenses, live within means. You don't need to live in an expensive house, or drive an expensive car.Try to live on $25,000 a year with a family of four, Widdekind, and come back and tell us what is wrong with that.
$15K / year is more money than most of mankind makes. You're saying, that businesses (Apple, Microsoft) "owe" US workers earth-world-record wages, which they "deserve" ? If every worker on this world demanded comparable wages, the global economy would fail. You sense a downward pressure, on your wages, from "US business". i attribute the same pressure, ultimately, to "foreign workers", who are willing & able, to work harder, for less pay, than US workers (in many cases, much of the time, not always).Microsoft would have us working 60 hours a week for $4.50 an hour without regulation?
If US workers ditched their cars, and their single-family homes; for mass-transit & apartments; then they could save allot of money; and become more economically competitive. According to me, US workers have been "set up", over the past 100 years, into acclimating to an unsustainably-high "standard" of living -- which will only price US workers out of every job, in the long-term. At some point, "reality will have to kick in".
If foreign workers are willing & able, to work more, for less; then they are economically more competitive; they are "pack leader"; they set the pace; they get the jobs. That's (Libertarian) rules. When the rest of earth charges tens of thousands of dollars less per year, for comparable work; then US workers will have to pick up their pace, and "make do". Even if money did grow on trees, then that would only cause price inflation.
not what i saidYou ... would like everyone to work at wages of countries where the working person has essentially nothing...
Here's the problem. Wages don't directly affect sales of goods and services. They are a factor, but not the complete problem.not what i saidYou ... would like everyone to work at wages of countries where the working person has essentially nothing...
US workers should work for, and earn, fair & competitive wages. If US workers demand exorbitant pay, then that will make their products pricier; and less economically competitive. US consumers themselves hate paying for exorbitant US wages -- Walmart did try, and did fail, to promote "made in America". Now they import cheap products from foreigners; and US consumers buy billions of dollars of those cheap products, each year.
When US voters are confronted with the exorbitant wage-demands, and exorbitant prices, of other US workers; they "vote with their wallets", and vote those wages down. By billions of dollars per year. According to US consumers, US workers are over-paid; and demand too much. Nobody likes paying for US workers' "standard" of living -- not their bosses; not their customers. (US taxpayers are pretty easy going, though, i guess.)