Clash of Cultures...

[pbel]

NO as it was not centred on acceptance by all sides, it only needed one side to accept the plan and it could go ahead. Spelt out in the proposals if you bother to read them, so once again the arab muslims fail to read the small print and end up losing everything

The Security Council disagrees with you. That is why they did not implement the plan. It would violate the UN Charter to implement the plan without the approval of the Palestinians.

They did implement the plan as you have been shown hundreds of times using official UN sources. So why do you deny the conclusive evidence every time it is provided.

By looking at the proposed points that didn't happen.

What proposed points were they then ?

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

 

[aris2chat]

The Security Council disagrees with you. That is why they did not implement the plan. It would violate the UN Charter to implement the plan without the approval of the Palestinians.

They did implement the plan as you have been shown hundreds of times using official UN sources. So why do you deny the conclusive evidence every time it is provided.

By looking at the proposed points that didn't happen.

What proposed points were they then ?

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

 

[pbel]

They did implement the plan as you have been shown hundreds of times using official UN sources. So why do you deny the conclusive evidence every time it is provided.

By looking at the proposed points that didn't happen.

What proposed points were they then ?

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

 

[aris2chat]

By looking at the proposed points that didn't happen.

What proposed points were they then ?

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

The west went there because of radical/terrorist/dictator muslim violence, they are not the cause. If the middle east had been peaceful western armies would not have needed to step in.

 

[pbel]

What proposed points were they then ?

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

The west went there because of radical/terrorist/dictator muslim violence, they are not the cause. If the middle east had been peaceful western armies would not have needed to step in.

Now you are the Bullshit Propagandist! How can anyone take you seriously?

 

[Kondor3]

...has a sure plan for Israel's destruction. He has turned a Land War into religious /Cultural War with Islam's 1.5 billion people..

That's alright... if push-comes-to-shove, most of the world's 2.2 billion Christians will stand with the Jews, against your 1.5 billion Muslims.

Why? In the final analysis, they like Jews FAR more than they like Muslims. Christendom has a long memory, just like Islam.

 

[pbel]

...has a sure plan for Israel's destruction. He has turned a Land War into religious /Cultural War with Islam's 1.5 billion people..

That's alright... if push-comes-to-shove, most of the world's 2.2 billion Christians will stand with the Jews, against your 1.5 billion Muslims.

Why? In the final analysis, they like Jews FAR more than they like Muslims. Christendom has a long memory, just like Islam.

Sure, but Israel lies within that Sea of Islamic Nations, the epicenter of the action. Today NATO member Turkey downed a Russian plane...
They are not knife bearing kids, they have Nukes.

Let's see.

 

[aris2chat]

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

The west went there because of radical/terrorist/dictator muslim violence, they are not the cause. If the middle east had been peaceful western armies would not have needed to step in.

Now you are the Bullshit Propagandist! How can anyone take you seriously?

The west went to syria because of violence and the use of chemical weapons
They went because of Gaddaffi and arab uprisings
They went when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
They went because of violence in Afghanistan.
They went because of violence in the Balkans
They went because of fighting in Lebanon.
They went because of Ottoman and arab violence
They went because of muslim piracy of trading ship
They went because of Islamic conquest and violence in the holyland......................

They went when attacked by muslim terrorist wage war on them on their own land.
Planes hijacked, ships hijacked, embassies attacked, westerners kidnapped........................by terrorist protected in the MENA

 

[pbel]

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

The west went there because of radical/terrorist/dictator muslim violence, they are not the cause. If the middle east had been peaceful western armies would not have needed to step in.

Now you are the Bullshit Propagandist! How can anyone take you seriously?

The west went to syria because of violence and the use of chemical weapons
They went because of Gaddaffi and arab uprisings
They went when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
They went because of violence in Afghanistan.
They went because of violence in the Balkans
They went because of fighting in Lebanon.
They went because of Ottoman and arab violence
They went because of muslim piracy of trading ship
They went because of Islamic conquest and violence in the holyland......................

They went when attacked by muslim terrorist wage war on them on their own land.
Planes hijacked, ships hijacked, embassies attacked, westerners kidnapped........................by terrorist protected in the MENA

Aris, What did Kuwait have to with GW Bush? All your recanting's like a mule on a fire braying refusing to see what lies will stick.

Sorry, none of your braying has any logic historically. Fight on and kill those windmills Don Aris.

 

[aris2chat]

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

The west went there because of radical/terrorist/dictator muslim violence, they are not the cause. If the middle east had been peaceful western armies would not have needed to step in.

Now you are the Bullshit Propagandist! How can anyone take you seriously?

The west went to syria because of violence and the use of chemical weapons
They went because of Gaddaffi and arab uprisings
They went when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
They went because of violence in Afghanistan.
They went because of violence in the Balkans
They went because of fighting in Lebanon.
They went because of Ottoman and arab violence
They went because of muslim piracy of trading ship
They went because of Islamic conquest and violence in the holyland......................

They went when attacked by muslim terrorist wage war on them on their own land.
Planes hijacked, ships hijacked, embassies attacked, westerners kidnapped........................by terrorist protected in the MENA

Aris, What did Kuwait have to with GW Bush? All your recanting's like a mule on a fire braying refusing to see what lies will stick.

Sorry, none of your braying has any logic historically. Fight on and kill those windmills Don Aris.

Was not a Bush thing. 14 nations backed by 17 others were involved after Kuwait was invaded and sanctioned by the UN, US was just one of them.

 

[Phoenall]

NO as it was not centred on acceptance by all sides, it only needed one side to accept the plan and it could go ahead. Spelt out in the proposals if you bother to read them, so once again the arab muslims fail to read the small print and end up losing everything

The Security Council disagrees with you. That is why they did not implement the plan. It would violate the UN Charter to implement the plan without the approval of the Palestinians.

They did implement the plan as you have been shown hundreds of times using official UN sources. So why do you deny the conclusive evidence every time it is provided.

By looking at the proposed points that didn't happen.

What proposed points were they then ?

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Every single point above turned down by the arab muslims as they wanted full control over that land and people and the introduction of the Pact of Umar, dhimmi laws and sharia law. The last was the only point that was actually implemented, after the terrorist fighters were evicted under International law of the time.

 

[Phoenall]

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

The west went there because of radical/terrorist/dictator muslim violence, they are not the cause. If the middle east had been peaceful western armies would not have needed to step in.

Now you are the Bullshit Propagandist! How can anyone take you seriously?

The west went to syria because of violence and the use of chemical weapons
They went because of Gaddaffi and arab uprisings
They went when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
They went because of violence in Afghanistan.
They went because of violence in the Balkans
They went because of fighting in Lebanon.
They went because of Ottoman and arab violence
They went because of muslim piracy of trading ship
They went because of Islamic conquest and violence in the holyland......................

They went when attacked by muslim terrorist wage war on them on their own land.
Planes hijacked, ships hijacked, embassies attacked, westerners kidnapped........................by terrorist protected in the MENA

Aris, What did Kuwait have to with GW Bush? All your recanting's like a mule on a fire braying refusing to see what lies will stick.

Sorry, none of your braying has any logic historically. Fight on and kill those windmills Don Aris.

So American citizens were not attacked by Iraqi forces and American installations seized and destroyed contrary to International law and IHL.

It is you doing the braying because you are so ignorant of reality and just repeat Islamic propaganda.

 

[Phoenall]

By looking at the proposed points that didn't happen.

What proposed points were they then ?

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

Is it then how come you can only find one source for them, and that is a propaganda one ?

Correct showing that Russia is not that good and so will not fight Syrias wars against its neighbours

WW3 started some time back and is slowly escalating, just hope Iran does not get nuclear weapons before the war is won or we could face nuclear Armageddon.

Maybe you should and see that you don't have an educated mind, far from it in fact as the similarities end with WW

 

[Phoenall]

Proposed borders.
The international city of Jerusalem.
Economic union.
State militias ultimately under the control of the UN.
All Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel would be Israeli citizens.

Thanks for pointing out the original intent of the UN, but Zionism is a chameleon and a snake in the grass.

Einstein warned the world that Fascism lies at the heart of Zionism...We can easily see a 67 year occupation the diminishing Palestinian lands and rights.

Tinnie never expect any Justice from the Religious State of Zionism, Israel. They've started WWlll in the ME...They have put themselves at the epicenter of war and greed:

It will not end well.

why why why do you skip the reach?

Try quoting facts and not propaganda.
Einstein might have disagreed with Begin on certain issues but he support zionism.

"... the strength of our whole movement [Zionism] rests in its moral justification, with which it must stand or fall." ― Albert Einstein

How can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously?

Is it not a Fact that Einstein spoke those words after refusing to be Israel's first President? My conclusions seem simple observations. Today Turkey shot down a Russian Plane.

There's no doubt in my mind that WWlll will start here...Israel and her Neo-Con friends of Wolfowitz and friends got GW to fight in Iraq, Israel opened up the Pandora's box of Islamic Nationalism...Its unstoppable, the Arab Spring is alive and well.

You should read History on how WWl and WWll started, the similarities are obvious to an educated mind.

The west went there because of radical/terrorist/dictator muslim violence, they are not the cause. If the middle east had been peaceful western armies would not have needed to step in.

Now you are the Bullshit Propagandist! How can anyone take you seriously?

And you are showing your brainwashing again making it impossible to take anything you say seriously. The M.E. has been fomenting since 635 C.E. when mo'mad invented islam. Look at the atrocities carried out since the end of WW2 and you see the hand of islam in the vast majority of them. From the massacres in India to the massacres in Syria they have all involved muslims

 

[Phoenall]

...has a sure plan for Israel's destruction. He has turned a Land War into religious /Cultural War with Islam's 1.5 billion people..

That's alright... if push-comes-to-shove, most of the world's 2.2 billion Christians will stand with the Jews, against your 1.5 billion Muslims.

Why? In the final analysis, they like Jews FAR more than they like Muslims. Christendom has a long memory, just like Islam.

Sure, but Israel lies within that Sea of Islamic Nations, the epicenter of the action. Today NATO member Turkey downed a Russian plane...
They are not knife bearing kids, they have Nukes.

Let's see.

Who was it said that Russia would attack Israel on the commands of Assad again, now Russia is being hit hard for violations in International law. No other country is backing Russia on the world stage, and many are refusing to condemn the Turks. Seems that Russia has over extended itself again.

 

[Kondor3]

...has a sure plan for Israel's destruction. He has turned a Land War into religious /Cultural War with Islam's 1.5 billion people..

That's alright... if push-comes-to-shove, most of the world's 2.2 billion Christians will stand with the Jews, against your 1.5 billion Muslims.

Why? In the final analysis, they like Jews FAR more than they like Muslims. Christendom has a long memory, just like Islam.

Sure, but Israel lies within that Sea of Islamic Nations, the epicenter of the action. Today NATO member Turkey downed a Russian plane...
They are not knife bearing kids, they have Nukes.

Let's see.

Who was it said that Russia would attack Israel on the commands of Assad again, now Russia is being hit hard for violations in International law. No other country is backing Russia on the world stage, and many are refusing to condemn the Turks. Seems that Russia has over extended itself again.

Russia is still chipping rust off of its military, sanctions over Crimea-Ukraine have hurt them, and Europe is fast slipping into a "We're in no mood to take their (Russian) shit" mindset, despite a Russian choke-hold on natural gas in that part of the world.

The Russians have also reverted from Wild-West proto-democracy back to Strongman-Czarist politics, and they have lost their ideological bearings.

Nowadays, the Russians stand for very little except their own selfish interests; they are no longer an ideological flag-bearer, and can no longer even pretend to mask their greed in the guise of internationalism.

Although strong, and although its People love Mother Russia, the old girl ain't what she used to be, and her pointless, unnecessary Comeback Tour isn't exactly going very well.

When the best you can count on are the likes of their mortal enemy - China - and theocratic assholes like the Iranians - and the Assad-ist Syrians - with 'friends' and 'allies' like that, foreign military adventures can be highly problematic, and largely unsustainable.

Russia is not going to be attacking Israel, although some of our pro-Palestinian colleagues would cream their jeans if Russia was foolish enough to try.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As I said, I erred, I should have said Palestinian "Arabs", Muslim and Christians. So, let's leave at Arabs minus the Arab Jews. I never said the Arab states invaded. I said they intervened as the Zionist forces were invading Palestinian villages and ethnically cleansing them of Arabs both Christian and Muslim. The Lebanese sent a third of their army into Palestine, they were Christians, they were attempting to prevent Arabs from being evicted by the European Zionists.

By definition, they were defending Arabs of Palestine that were non-Jews.

So why did they state that they were invading to destroy Israel and wipe out the Jews .This as far back as early 1947 when they first shots were fired in the war of Independence.

All accounts of the war say that the Arab armies entered Palestine and fought Israeli forces in Palestine.

So what is your point?

That the accounts have been watered down because they attacked in 1947 with the stated intentions of destroying Israel and wiping out the Jews. The truth is the arab's had been gearing up for this war since 1921 when they refused to accept anything other than full arab control of the M.E.

That does not address my post.

Only because you don't want it to, so you ignore the facts. The war started in 1947 when the UN announced the partition, and the arab league announced its intent to wipe out the Jews and stop the birth of their NATIONal home. We all know the outcome of that and it led to the loss of land, the war and face for the arab muslims.

This answers your post perfectly, just that it is not the answer you want to see.

The war started in 1947 when the UN announced the partition,​

You tend to forget what it was they wanted to partition.

 

[Phoenall]

So why did they state that they were invading to destroy Israel and wipe out the Jews .This as far back as early 1947 when they first shots were fired in the war of Independence.

All accounts of the war say that the Arab armies entered Palestine and fought Israeli forces in Palestine.

So what is your point?

That the accounts have been watered down because they attacked in 1947 with the stated intentions of destroying Israel and wiping out the Jews. The truth is the arab's had been gearing up for this war since 1921 when they refused to accept anything other than full arab control of the M.E.

That does not address my post.

Only because you don't want it to, so you ignore the facts. The war started in 1947 when the UN announced the partition, and the arab league announced its intent to wipe out the Jews and stop the birth of their NATIONal home. We all know the outcome of that and it led to the loss of land, the war and face for the arab muslims.

This answers your post perfectly, just that it is not the answer you want to see.

The war started in 1947 when the UN announced the partition,​

You tend to forget what it was they wanted to partition.

So do you as it was JEWISH PALESTINE after giving 78% of Palestine to the arab muslim Palestinians in 1923. The 22% left was not supposed to be further partitioned, and the actions of the arab muslims shows that they were not content with losing such a tiny piece of land to their mortal enemies

 

[Kondor3]

...So do you as it was JEWISH PALESTINE after giving 78% of Palestine to the arab muslim Palestinians in 1923. The 22% left was not supposed to be further partitioned, and the actions of the arab muslims shows that they were not content with losing such a tiny piece of land to their mortal enemies

When British Imperial India fractured into the separate nations of India and Pakistan, it was largely upon a religious basis (Hindu vs. Muslim), and there was an en masse population shift, as whole population segments and families were uprooted on both sides of the divide, and as those uprooted souls headed for their side of The Line.

The same thing should have happened with Old Palestine back in the 1920s - but, in the case of the State of Israel, it's more a case of the Hindus (for that, read the Jews) keeping their part of the bargain, but the Muslims refusing to keep theirs.

And, after their abandonment by the so-called gutless, nutless International Community in the 1930s and 1940s, the Jew are now resolved to shift for themselves, being the best neighbors and members of that Community that they can be, but relying upon their own good judgment and courage and persistence, to complete their own Reconquista.

The Arab-Muslim Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza, who do not want to be citizens of Israel, need to pack up and leave for their (east) side of the Jordan River.

Sixty-seven years of sitting in refugee camps and refugee towns is enough; time for the Palestinians to wake up, face Reality, and get the hell outta Dodge.

The world at-large doesn't really give a damn, and, for the most part, is tired of listening to their whiny bullshit, and their nasty, impotent violence, and just wants this to be over.

The only way this ends is with a complete Isreali-Jewish victory in all the lands 'between the River and the Sea' .

Time for the so-called Palestinians to shake it off, cut their losses, and leave, to set up elsewhere, with far safer, happier and most prosperous and promising lives.

 

[pbel]

Russia vs. Turkey: Nuclear War 'Likely' - Russian Analyst

Russia ‘likely’ to start nuclear war with NATO over the jet
Felgenhauer said Turkey is seeking to protect a zone in northern Syria controlled by its allies, the Turkmens, while the downing of the Russian jet in the region must prompt Moscow to either accept the zone or “start a war with Turkey,” which means starting a war with NATO.

And the only way Russia could win a war against NATO is by going nuclear, Felgenhauer said.

“It is most likely that it will be war,” said Felgenhauer, as reported by Mirror. “In other words, more fights will follow when Russian planes attack Turkish aircraft in order to protect our [Russia’s] bombers. It is possible that there will be fights between the Russian and Turkish navies at sea.”

Russia’s top defense analyst also warned that Ankara will probably shut down the Bosphorus, and other NATO members will join this conflict, thus unleashing an all-out war with Russia. The Bosphorus is the only way by which Russia’s mighty Black Sea fleet can reach the Mediterranean.

“And in such a conflict Russia has very little chance unless it uses its nuclear weapons,” Felgenhauer warned.

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But a nuclear war involving NATO and Russia “would probably spell, if not the end of humanity, the end of any possibility of a comfortable future for humanity,” as reported by ValueWalk, citing Press TV’s interview with Don DeBar, U.S. political analyst.

Most alarming NATO-Russian military incident in 50 years
Turkey downing the Russian jet on Tuesday is the most alarming military indecent between a NATO member country and Russia in half a century. And with Vladimir Putin warning of “serious consequences,” U.S. President Barack Obama is already trying to avoid escalation.

After an emergency meeting in Washington, French President Francois Hollande and Obama issued a joint statement, in which they called on Putin to avoid escalation, according to RT.

“Turkey, like every country, has the right to defend its territory and its airspace,” Obama said, defending the Turkish side of the conflict but admitting that he had no details on the incident yet.

Putin called the bombing of the Russian warplane a “crime” and stressed that Moscow will never tolerate it. The Russian President added that the Su-24 plane crash in Syria goes beyond normal struggle against terrorism, and it is “a stab in Russia’s back delivered by terrorist accomplices,” as reported by ITAR-TASS.

“I understand each country has its own regional interests, and we have always respected that. But we shall never tolerate crimes like today’s one,” the Russian leader said on Tuesday following a meeting with King of Jordan Abdullah II.

Is Obama capable of leading NATO into nuclear war with Russia?
“Today’s loss is linked with a stab in our back delivered by terrorism accomplices. I can’t characterize otherwise what has happened today,” Putin said, accusing Turkey of financing and protecting ISIS.

On Oct. 31, ISIS claimed responsibility for shooting down a Russian passenger plane in Egypt. A total of 224 people, including 17 children, were killed in the plane crash.

Moreover, ISIS described how it bombed the Russian plane over three weeks ago in the latest publication of its propaganda magazine, Dabiq, also featuring an image of what appears to be the bomb that was placed in a soft drink can.

Putin also noted that Turkey’s contacts with NATO members after the bombing of the Su-24 jet on Tuesday look like an attempt to make the Alliance serve terrorists.

The question is whether Obama is capable of leading NATO at a serious time like this one? Turkey will obviously want to feel secured and protected from Russia’s possible military response, which is why it will be expecting the U.S. to have its back.

But has Obama enough authority to prevent Turkey and Russia from escalating the conflict into a nuclear war? And if he fails to do so, is he capable of leading NATO into a nuclear war with Russia?
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Written by Polina Tikhonova
Polina Tikhonova is a writer, journalist and a certified translator. Over the past 7 years, she has worked for a wide variety of top European, American, Russian, and Ukrainian media outlets. Polina holds a Master's Degree in English Philology from the University of Oxford and a Bachelor's Degree in Journalism from the Saint Petersburg State University. Her articles and news reports have been published by many newspapers, magazines, journals, blogs and online media sources across the globe. Polina is fluent in English, German, Ukrainian and Russian.

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