"Civil rights" leaders want more special rights for certain people

[MrShangles]

So when I go to court for speeding ( trying to get my government handout check cashed before bank closed) I can just tell judge I'm poor I won't have to pay a fine, nice plan!
And why should I get up in time to get to work, I get more government help if I don't work.
Man, poor people have it made in the shade.


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[Correll]

Lawsuits Target 'Debtors' Prisons' Across the Country

Civil rights lawyers are using a new strategy to change a common court practice that they have long argued unfairly targets the poor.
At issue is the way courts across the country sometimes issue arrest warrants for indigent people when they fall behind on paying court fees and fines owed for minor offenses like traffic tickets. Last year, an NPR investigation showed that courts in all 50 states are requiring more of these payments. Now attorneys are aggressively suing cities, police and courts, forcing reform.
Since September, six lawsuits were filed against New Orleans; Nashville, Tenn.; Biloxi and Jackson, Miss.; Benton County, Wash.; and Alexander City, Ala. In the past year, lawyers have also won settlements that have forced courts to change practices in Montgomery, Ala.; DeKalb County, Ga.; and St. Louis County, Mo.
Biloxi is the latest city to be sued. Nusrat Choudhury, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who filed the lawsuit, charges the city runs an illegal "debtors' prison" when it puts indigent people in jail without adequately trying to determine whether the person has the means to pay court fines and fees or without then offering adequate alternative ways to pay off a fine, like being offered the chance to do community service.

"People like Miss Kennedy," says Choudhury. "A single mom, who is struggling to find work and then loses her job — her part-time cleaning job — when she's jailed for being poor."
Also this week, the Southern Poverty Law Center filed a complaint against a judge in Alabama who gave impoverished people who owed court fines a choice: Go to jail or donate blood at the bloodmobile across the street.
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My favorite : "A single mom, who is struggling to find work and then loses her job — her part-time cleaning job — when she's jailed for being poor."
No, asshole. She is being jailed because she couldn't accept her responsibilities for BREAKING THE LAW.

Do people want to be equal or not? This rhetoric is getting REALLY old.

Based on the rhetoric from the left, they want equality when it comes to having what someone else has but not the level of responsibility when it involves being held to the same standard. I agree this person was not jailed for being poor. If that's the case, being poor is the reason that must be claimed for having received whatever it was for which she was fined.

Agreed, this person was not jailed for being poor.

Just because the Left are all assholes, doesn't mean that we should not consider that these fines, and their methods of enforcement might not be an unreasonable burden on the poor.

Tell the freaking politicians if they want to spend money, to be prepared to make the case for the spending to the tax payers, or to not do the spending.

To say it was based on SES of the person implies that poor people shouldn't be written tickets when they violate the law because they may not be able to pay them and this could result. In other words, receiving or not receiving is based on economics not actions.

I have a buddy that habitually speeds.

He always fights his speeding tickets.

He has discussed how, compared to the other people who are there fighting it, that he is gracious, admits fault, happily pays the fine, and just requests that the points be removed.

Because he has enough money that the fine doesn't mean anything to him.

The points, that would eventually screw up his license? That he cares about.

THe system is completely failing in his situation because it is not deterring illegal activity at all.

Well, except from the point of view of the local politicians who are getting additional revenue that they don't have to justify to the local voters.

 

[Correll]

If people are poor, that is all the more pressure to cut corners.

Who gets in trouble for being late to work?

If it's the stock boy, he gets written up. Too many of those he gets fired. So he speeds to get to work and gets a 400$ ticket that he can't pay. Things snowball and his life is seriously impacted, perhaps permanently.

The manager? If he's late, no one says shit. And if he gets pulled over because he happened to be speeding anyway, he pays the 400$ fine and he barely notices.


This is about politicians who get elected by promising people free shit, and then can't justify the level of spending to meet their promises, so they go looking for "innovative" sources of funding.

Being a stock boy is not a license to speed. Get up on time. Problem solved

You really want to fuck up some kid's life because he was late for work?

He choose to break the law. Responsibility is great, whether people like it or not.

IS the punishment really reasonable for the "crime" involved?

IMO, no.

Do we really want our local governments to be this predatory when they look at their citizens?

Tell the politicians that if they want to spend money they need to explain to the tax payers why the spending is good for them, not find "innovative" means of funding.

While I admit 400 bucks is ridiculous, the fine is perfectly acceptable. The fact is, if people are responsible, they wouldn't have to worry about it.

We all violate various road rules all the time. We speed, we tap our brakes at a stop sign, we don't signal, something.

The system as it is, has been perverted into a revenue source, not a reasonable punishment for violating safety procedures.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

""Civil rights" leaders want more special rights for certain people"

Another ridiculous, ignorant lie from the right.

There is no such thing as 'special rights,' and no one is seeking to 'make more special rights,' whatever this nonsense is supposed to mean.

The rights being invoked are the same rights that all Americans enjoy: the right to due process, the right to a fair hearing, the right to a presumption of innocence, and the right to equal protection under the law.

 

[Correll]

""Civil rights" leaders want more special rights for certain people"

Another ridiculous, ignorant lie from the right.

There is no such thing as 'special rights,' and no one is seeking to 'make more special rights,' whatever this nonsense is supposed to mean.

The rights being invoked are the same rights that all Americans enjoy: the right to due process, the right to a fair hearing, the right to a presumption of innocence, and the right to equal protection under the law.

Bull.

The policy of the left of having different rules for different groups is nothing a reasonable person would deny.


Hell, having black skin is worth 230 points when it comes to Ivy League admissions.

 

[amrchaos]

Lawsuits Target 'Debtors' Prisons' Across the Country

Civil rights lawyers are using a new strategy to change a common court practice that they have long argued unfairly targets the poor.
At issue is the way courts across the country sometimes issue arrest warrants for indigent people when they fall behind on paying court fees and fines owed for minor offenses like traffic tickets. Last year, an NPR investigation showed that courts in all 50 states are requiring more of these payments. Now attorneys are aggressively suing cities, police and courts, forcing reform.
Since September, six lawsuits were filed against New Orleans; Nashville, Tenn.; Biloxi and Jackson, Miss.; Benton County, Wash.; and Alexander City, Ala. In the past year, lawyers have also won settlements that have forced courts to change practices in Montgomery, Ala.; DeKalb County, Ga.; and St. Louis County, Mo.
Biloxi is the latest city to be sued. Nusrat Choudhury, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who filed the lawsuit, charges the city runs an illegal "debtors' prison" when it puts indigent people in jail without adequately trying to determine whether the person has the means to pay court fines and fees or without then offering adequate alternative ways to pay off a fine, like being offered the chance to do community service.

"People like Miss Kennedy," says Choudhury. "A single mom, who is struggling to find work and then loses her job — her part-time cleaning job — when she's jailed for being poor."
Also this week, the Southern Poverty Law Center filed a complaint against a judge in Alabama who gave impoverished people who owed court fines a choice: Go to jail or donate blood at the bloodmobile across the street.
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My favorite : "A single mom, who is struggling to find work and then loses her job — her part-time cleaning job — when she's jailed for being poor."
No, asshole. She is being jailed because she couldn't accept her responsibilities for BREAKING THE LAW.

Do people want to be equal or not? This rhetoric is getting REALLY old.

Since she is a single mom, I wonder who took care of her kids?

Maybe she should have aborted them all since she is so irresponsible!