City Digs Up Remains Of Confederate General After Taking Down Statue

[Zincwarrior]

I fit that picture. Didn’t really know what racism was until I was stationed in Biloxi, Mississippi.

Would be interesting for you to go back and see what has and has not changed.

 

[Batcat]

Would be interesting for you to go back and see what has and has not changed.

I have always wanted a Time Machine.

 

[Batcat]

People forget the recent protests started peaceful. It started with people simply kneeling.

Trump called them SOB's, Pence walked out on them and then things got violent and we enacted change.

Things do seem to get out of hand quickly in these days.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I have always wanted a Time Machine.

To quote Dr Zais, you might not like what you find.

 

[Batcat]

To quote Dr Zais, you might not like what you find.

Most likely not. However, assuming there are not parallel universes I would know the truth of what happened If my Time Machine was the first.

 

[Curried Goats]

Most likely not. However, assuming there are not parallel universes I would know the truth of what happened If my Time Machine was the first.

We do know the truth of what happened with slavers but because you don't have pictures of Lee or Washington whipping and working slaves to death you feel more confident coming here to tell us all how much you respect them.

 

[Curried Goats]

Looks like a monument to the Confederacy that was torn down in 2020 is now getting replaced by a statue of John Lewis and its being done my a Jamaican sculptor. Would you look at that. More jamaicans replacing white racists in America. Couldn’t be more proud.

Artist chosen for Decatur Square monument to Rep. John Lewis

 

[Batcat]

We do know the truth of what happened with slavers but because you don't have pictures of Lee or Washington whipping and working slaves to death you feel more confident coming here to tell us all how much you respect them.

I have never heard anyone charge that Washington or General Lee whipped a slave to death. That’s a new accusation to me and chances are it is totally false.

You have an enormous VICTIM’S.COMPLEX. The hatred that you are harboring for sins that happened over a century and a half ago is poisoning your soul.

My Irish ancestors were treated like absolute shit when they arrived in this nation. I feel sorry for them but I don’t hate the Brits or Americans because of how they suffered. The Irish overcame and I am proud of that fact.

When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis | HISTORY

Forced from their homeland because of famine and political upheaval, the Irish endured vehement discrimination before making their way into the American mainstream.

www.history.com

If you want to really improve your life, start you own political party and escape the Democratic Plantation.

Democrats will promise diamonds and roses before the election but deliver zirconium and daisies once they win. Of course the dems will blame the republicans for their failure to deliver on their promises and unfortunately the blacks who vote for democrats will buy that excuse.

 

[Curried Goats]

I have never heard anyone charge that Washington or General Lee whipped a slave to death. That’s a new accusation to me and chances are it is totally false.

You don't hold people in bondage, force them to work for you, force their children to work for you without force you coward. You can pretend not to know but you know.

You have an enormous VICTIM’S.COMPLEX. The hatred that you are harboring for sins that happened over a century and a half ago is poisoning your soul.

No, I have an accurate assessment of slavers who did in fact victimize their slaves.

My Irish ancestors were treated like absolute shit when they arrived in this nation. I feel sorry for them but I don’t hate the Brits or Americans because of how they suffered. The Irish overcame and I am proud of that fact.

"Treated like shit" is in fact your emotional victim hood. Kept in bondage as a slave isn't an emotional assessment, it's a factual one.

If you want to really improve your life, start you own political party and escape the Democratic Plantation.

More repugnant arguments from a deplorable mutant racist. Black voters aren't kept on a plantation. We choose to support the Democrat party by overwhelming majority. Lee and Washington kept slaves on a plantation.

Democrats will promise diamonds and roses before the election but deliver zirconium and daisies once they win. Of course the dems will blame the republicans for their failure to deliver on their promises and unfortunately the blacks who vote for democrats will buy that excuse.

There's enough blame to go around for members of both parties but you rather talk about partisan politics than policy because it would reveal the deplorable nature of the mutant Right.

 

[Batcat]

You don't hold people in bondage, force them to work for you, force their children to work for you without force you coward. You can pretend not to know but you know.

No, I have an accurate assessment of slavers who did in fact victimize their slaves.

"Treated like shit" is in fact your emotional victim hood. Kept in bondage as a slave isn't an emotional assessment, it's a factual one.

More repugnant arguments from a deplorable mutant racist. Black voters aren't kept on a plantation. We choose to support the Democrat party by overwhelming majority. Lee and Washington kept slaves on a plantation.

There's enough blame to go around for members of both parties but you rather talk about partisan politics than policy because it would reveal the deplorable nature of the mutant Right.

Now you are making up stories about George Washington and Robert E. Lee insinuating they beat some of their slaves to death. How about a link to a reference that says George Washington or General Lee beat a slave to death.

Slaves were not cheap and most owners did not abuse their slaves, let alone beat them to death.



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To get an idea for the scale of variation and the kind of characteristics that would influence slave prices, take a look at this extract from an abolitionist's account of a slave auction in Montgomery, Alabama held on March 24th, 1854:

Woman and small child, $1050; man aged 19, $950; man and wife aged 18 and 17, $2000; boy aged 14, $640; girl aged 10, $525: man aged 24, $860; boy aged 11, white, $585; boy aged 11, white, $625; woman aged 25, $900; man and little boy, aged 50, $1020; woman age 46, $395; man, with the gravel , aged 19, $700; man, perfect aged 40, $1600; woman 40, girl 8, $600; man aged 27, $1410; boy aged 12, $725; girl aged 4,$300; girl good looking, aged 14, $855; girl, a little blacker, aged 15, $845. [from The Liberator, "From the Car Leader", April 21, 1854]

There are 23 slaves listed here, fetching an average price of $721 each (some are sold together); the average for an adult male slave, however, is closer to $1,000; adult women just $624, and a woman in her 40s is worth more or less the same as a little girl aged 4. Slaves in this particular auction sold for as little as $300 (a 4 year old girl and a 40 year old woman) to as much as $1,600 (the "perfect aged" 40 year old man).

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Adjusting for inflation, $721 in 1864 would be worth 13.422.49 in 2022 dollars. A skilled slave was worth much more. Slaves were not cheap.

Value of 1864 dollars today | Inflation Calculator

The 1.89% inflation rate means $100 in 1864 is equivalent to $1,955.58 today. This inflation calculator uses the official US consumer price index published by the Department of Labor.

www.in2013dollars.com

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As far as my comments about black voters being on the Democratic Plantation, has the life of poor blacks in the big Democrat cities improved that much since President Lyndon Johnson predicted blacks would be voting for Democrats for the next 100 years? (Being a racist, Johnson probably didn’t use the word “blacks” but I chose to avoid the word he supposedly used.)

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln.

www.msnbc.com

***snip***

According to Caro, Robert Parker, Johnson's sometime chauffer, described in his memoir Capitol Hill in Black and White a moment when Johnson asked Parker whether he'd prefer to be referred to by his name rather than "boy," "******" or "chief." When Parker said he would, Johnson grew angry and said, "As long as you are black, and you’re gonna be black till the day you die, no one’s gonna call you by your goddamn name. So no matter what you are called, ******, you just let it roll off your back like water, and you’ll make it. Just pretend you’re a goddamn piece of furniture."

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I feel the way my Irish ancestors were treated when they left Ireland because of the potato famine is just a part of history.

I wasn’t treated like shit growing up or through my life because I was Irish. I hold no grudges against either the Brits or the people in American at that time.

I seek no reparations.

The Irish fought and clawed their way up because they didn’t
view themselves as victims. Often they took over the local political establishment because they had the voting power to do so. Blacks today might learn lessons from the Irish on how to run political parties for your advantage.

Irish Immigrants and Assimilation - The Peopling of New York City

www.macaulay.cuny.edu

 

[lennypartiv]

Why do liberals want us to tear down statues of American war heroes?

 

[Batcat]

Why do liberals want us to tear down statues of American war heroes?

Liberals are ashamed of our nation.

 

[Curried Goats]

Now you are making up stories about George Washington and Robert E. Lee insinuating they beat some of their slaves to death. How about a link to a reference that says George Washington or General Lee beat a slave to death.

You are misrepresenting what I said. I said they whipped and worked slaves to death. They whipped slaves in order to get them to work and they worked them until their labor and life was all used up. Those aren't made up stories you Simp coward, that's how slavery works.

Slaves were not cheap and most owners did not abuse their slaves, let alone beat them to death.



***snip***

To get an idea for the scale of variation and the kind of characteristics that would influence slave prices, take a look at this extract from an abolitionist's account of a slave auction in Montgomery, Alabama held on March 24th, 1854:


There are 23 slaves listed here, fetching an average price of $721 each (some are sold together); the average for an adult male slave, however, is closer to $1,000; adult women just $624, and a woman in her 40s is worth more or less the same as a little girl aged 4. Slaves in this particular auction sold for as little as $300 (a 4 year old girl and a 40 year old woman) to as much as $1,600 (the "perfect aged" 40 year old man).

***************

Adjusting for inflation, $721 in 1864 would be worth 13.422.49 in 2022 dollars. A skilled slave was worth much more. Slaves were not cheap.

Value of 1864 dollars today | Inflation Calculator

The 1.89% inflation rate means $100 in 1864 is equivalent to $1,955.58 today. This inflation calculator uses the official US consumer price index published by the Department of Labor.

www.in2013dollars.com

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Normally you link to irrelevant pieces of information to try to make your point but in this case you helped to make mine. Slaves were not people to slavers, they were business investments. They were damn sure going to squeeze a profit out of those investments.

As far as my comments about black voters being on the Democratic Plantation, has the life of poor blacks in the big Democrat cities improved that much since President Lyndon Johnson predicted blacks would be voting for Democrats for the next 100 years? (Being a racist, Johnson probably didn’t use the word “blacks” but I chose to avoid the word he supposedly used.)

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln.

www.msnbc.com

***snip***

According to Caro, Robert Parker, Johnson's sometime chauffer, described in his memoir Capitol Hill in Black and White a moment when Johnson asked Parker whether he'd prefer to be referred to by his name rather than "boy," "******" or "chief." When Parker said he would, Johnson grew angry and said, "As long as you are black, and you’re gonna be black till the day you die, no one’s gonna call you by your goddamn name. So no matter what you are called, ******, you just let it roll off your back like water, and you’ll make it. Just pretend you’re a goddamn piece of furniture."

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Life has improved but not as much as it could have since Black Americans have always had to contend with racists from both parties. Again, you're still too chicken shit to talk policy. Johnson was a piece of shit racist and he ended segregation and protected black voting rights. I care more about policy.

I feel the way my Irish ancestors were treated when they left Ireland because of the potato famine is just a part of history.

I wasn’t treated like shit growing up or through my life because I was Irish. I hold no grudges against either the Brits or the people in American at that time.

I seek no reparations.

And? Who gives a shit? Did anyone ask you?

The Irish fought and clawed their way up because they didn’t
view themselves as victims. Often they took over the local political establishment because they had the voting power to do so. Blacks today might learn lessons from the Irish on how to run political parties for your advantage.

Irish Immigrants and Assimilation - The Peopling of New York City

www.macaulay.cuny.edu

The Irish didn't land in a country where the entire culture saw them and their children as expendable property. That you think you can compare the Irish experience to the Black American experience shows how little intent you have at honestly looking at black experiences. You are a bigot and a racist. You can't stop slaver culture from being torn down and destroyed because you have no good moral argument why they should continue to stand.

 

[Batcat]

Would be interesting for you to go back and see what has and has not changed.

It would be interesting and I imagine a lot has changed in the half century since I was in Biloxi, Mississippi.

 

[Doc7505]

You don't hold people in bondage, force them to work for you, force their children to work for you without force you coward. You can pretend not to know but you know.

No, I have an accurate assessment of slavers who did in fact victimize their slaves.

"Treated like shit" is in fact your emotional victim hood. Kept in bondage as a slave isn't an emotional assessment, it's a factual one.

More repugnant arguments from a deplorable mutant racist. Black voters aren't kept on a plantation. We choose to support the Democrat party by overwhelming majority. Lee and Washington kept slaves on a plantation.

There's enough blame to go around for members of both parties but you rather talk about partisan politics than policy because it would reveal the deplorable nature of the mutant Right.

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Meanwhile, Maoist/DSA Democrats have created black ghettos throughout America in their Blue Plantation Sanctuary cities.
It's no secret that the Black population of America is slowly turning away from the M/DSA Dems that is why they've turned to Mexico, Central America and now the world to restock their dwindling Democrat majority.
They turned away from Southerners, then Whites, now Black people. They use people as chattels. All useful fools and tools to Maoist/DSA Democrats.

 

[Batcat]

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Meanwhile, Maoist/DSA Democrats have created black ghettos throughout America in their Blue Plantation Sanctuary cities.
It's no secret that the Black population of America is slowly turning away from the M/DSA Dems that is why they've turned to Mexico, Central America and now the world to restock their dwindling Democrat majority.
They turned away from Southerners, then Whites, now Black people. They use people as chattels. All useful fools and tools to Maoist/DSA Democrats.

If you try to point out to the blacks that the Democratic Party is doing them no favors and taking full advantage of their loyalty, chances are you will get called a racist. Everyone who isn’t a pandering democrat is a racist.

 

[Curried Goats]

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Meanwhile, Maoist/DSA Democrats have created black ghettos throughout America in their Blue Plantation Sanctuary cities.
It's no secret that the Black population of America is slowly turning away from the M/DSA Dems that is why they've turned to Mexico, Central America and now the world to restock their dwindling Democrat majority.
They turned away from Southerners, then Whites, now Black people. They use people as chattels. All useful fools and tools to Maoist/DSA Democrats.

What a confused fever dream of stupidity. You don't know history, economics or politics and so all you clowns ever have are boogie men.

To be fair socialist Democrats did create Black ghettos. In the 1930s. FDR's New Deal policies, especially his housing policies, subsidized the building of suburban homes and neighborhoods for middle class and poor white families while it created government housing projects for black citizens. They drew redlines around these neighborhoods, only subsidized and insured homes for white families and in some cases demanded builders build walls between white and black communities to ensure black people couldn't even enter them, let alone buy houses in them. These racist housing policies account for almost the entire wealth gap between black and white families with white poor and middle class wealth being held mostly in the equity of their homes. You couple that with tying public education to property taxes and you have the perfect recipe to keep black citizens impoverished and uneducated. The question today is what do we do to fix this problem that was engineered by racist segregationist policies? Progressives Democrats (not moderate democrats) would love to see reparations for those racist housing policies and investment in black communities for new schools and homes. What's the Republican solution?

As for the black population turning away from Democrats that's just stupid. Nixon, Regan and Bush all got a higher percentage of the black vote than Trump. We might be fed up with the moderate end of the Democratic party but we certainly aren't going to switch over to the more racist party. And that's the truth of America. Black voters have had to deal with deplorable racists on all sides. Democrat and Republican. The difference is we see value in the socialist policies. We see what it did for the white middle class so we're just going to have to take the Democratic party over and that's what we're currently in process of doing. Young black and Hispanic progressive Democrats are gaining strength in the party in every election.

The truth of the matter is that poor racist whites have always been used by the wealthy elite. Your lack of interest in actual history, economics and politics makes you easily susceptible to demagoguery and hate and they use those to convince you clowns to cut off your own noses just to spite your face. You cry about socialism but those policies gave white families equity and secured their retirement. Free market capitalism is what looks for the cheapest labor, which is why wealthy aristocrats used slave labor until it was untenable and then brought in black, Chinese and now Hispanics workers to undercut the white labor market and still you clowns can't stop tossing their salad.

 

[Curried Goats]

If you try to point out to the blacks that the Democratic Party is doing them no favors and taking full advantage of their loyalty, chances are you will get called a racist. Everyone who isn’t a pandering democrat is a racist.

Yes. You get called a racist when you look at black voters as a political football to be tossed around. What policies do you support to alleviate black poverty and improve black education?

 

[pknopp]

The man in charge of removing the statues.

White contractors wouldn’t remove Confederate statues. So a Black man did it.

 

[themirrorthief]

You are misrepresenting what I said. I said they whipped and worked slaves to death. They whipped slaves in order to get them to work and they worked them until their labor and life was all used up. Those aren't made up stories you Simp coward, that's how slavery works.

Normally you link to irrelevant pieces of information to try to make your point but in this case you helped to make mine. Slaves were not people to slavers, they were business investments. They were damn sure going to squeeze a profit out of those investments.

Life has improved but not as much as it could have since Black Americans have always had to contend with racists from both parties. Again, you're still too chicken shit to talk policy. Johnson was a piece of shit racist and he ended segregation and protected black voting rights. I care more about policy.

And? Who gives a shit? Did anyone ask you?

The Irish didn't land in a country where the entire culture saw them and their children as expendable property. That you think you can compare the Irish experience to the Black American experience shows how little intent you have at honestly looking at black experiences. You are a bigot and a racist. You can't stop slaver culture from being torn down and destroyed because you have no good moral argument why they should continue to stand.

owning slaves was an incrediblly expensive thing.....I saw a slave auction document where many slaves cost several thousand dollars which was a fortune back then....if you bought a lexis would you burn it if it had a flat tire....slave owners were business men and beating their property to death would have been incredibly stupid.....it rarely if ever happened