Chuck Norris read the bill

[Emma]

And I bet you ASKED for those services, didn't you? You didn't have the government storming your home telling you how to train your kids.

Psst. You have to ask for this, too.

It's voluntary.

Ol Chucky (and quite a few others) would have known this if he'd actually read the bill. Or rather, understood what he was reading.

 

[JenT]

And I bet you ASKED for those services, didn't you? You didn't have the government storming your home telling you how to train your kids.

Psst. You have to ask for this, too.

It's voluntary.

Ol Chucky (and quite a few others) would have known this if he'd actually read the bill. Or rather, understood what he was reading.

I think he smells the coffee just fine Emma.

We've seen these kinds of ploys before. It's just like saying abortions will only happen when the mothers life is in danger...yeah, 45 to 50 million lives were in danger, sure

 

[Emma]

‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—In this section, the term ‘eligible expenditures’—

18 ‘‘(A) means expenditures to provide voluntary home visitation for as many families with young children (under the age of school entry) and families expecting children as practicable, through the implementation or expansion of high quality home visitation programs that—

‘‘(i) adhere to clear evidence-based models of home visitation that have demonstrated positive effects on important program-determined child and parenting outcomes, such as reducing abuse and neglect and improving child health and development;

‘‘(ii) employ well-trained and competent staff, maintain high quality supervision, provide for ongoing training and professional development, and show strong organizational capacity to implement such a program;

‘‘(iii) establish appropriate linkages and referrals to other community resources and supports;

‘‘(iv) monitor fidelity of program implementation to ensure that services are delivered according to the specified model; and

‘‘(v) provide parents with—

‘‘(I) knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains (including knowledge of second language acquisition, in the case of English language learners);

‘‘(II) knowledge of realistic expectations of age-appropriate child behaviors;

‘‘(III) knowledge of health and wellness issues for children and parents;

‘‘(IV) modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices;

‘‘(V) skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development;

‘‘(VI) skills to recognize and seek help for issues related to health, developmental delays, and social, emotional, and behavioral skills; and

‘‘(VII) activities designed to help parents become full partners in the education of their children;

‘‘(B) includes expenditures for training, technical assistance, and evaluations related to the programs; and

‘‘(C) does not include any expenditure with respect to which a State has submitted a claim for payment under any other provision of Federal law.

 

[Emma]

And I bet you ASKED for those services, didn't you? You didn't have the government storming your home telling you how to train your kids.

Psst. You have to ask for this, too.

It's voluntary.

Ol Chucky (and quite a few others) would have known this if he'd actually read the bill. Or rather, understood what he was reading.

I think he smells the coffee just fine Emma.

We've seen these kinds of ploys before. It's just like saying abortions will only happen when the mothers life is in danger...yeah, 45 to 50 million lives were in danger, sure

Really? Did SCOTUS rule that abortion was only allowed in cases where the mother's life was in danger? Please link to that. I don't recall that being their ruling.

 

[Vast LWC]

Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government's coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It's outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children." The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."

Chuck Norris : Dirty Secret No. 1 in Obamacare - Townhall.com

Now the government want to put a second group of federal inspector in your home this and federal inspector making sure your domicile is up to snuff environmentally .

No no encroachment going on.

OH MY GOD. Seriously, will you people stop with the misleading already.

Obviously this refers to offering classes in child care for people who are in-experienced.

What the hell is wrong with that???

And it doesn't say anything about it being "required".

Hell, judging from some of the liars on this board there are definitely some people out there that could have used a little free help in child-rearing.

 

[Vast LWC]

So far we have the following scare-mongering tactics:

1. The goverment is going to kill you if you're old and sick.

2. The government is going to force you to have abortions.

3. The government is going to take away your medicare.

and now

4. The Government is going to come into your home and force people to be "brainwashed" on how to raise their child.

There, is that everything?

There is some SERIOUS lying going on here, and for once it's not the politicians who are doing it.

 

[Maple]

President have not. Did you hear this one from the Mesiah himself.


"As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.

"They do it all the time," he said. "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems."


He admits that the government run postal system is a failure, but wants to take over 7% of our economy on health care????? Hmmm, I don't think so. And you libs think he's smart.

 

[JenT]

So far we have the following scare-mongering tactics:

1. The goverment is going to kill you if you're old and sick.

2. The government is going to force you to have abortions.

3. The government is going to take away your medicare.

and now

4. The Government is going to come into your home and force people to be "brainwashed" on how to raise their child.

There, is that everything?

There is some SERIOUS lying going on here, and for once it's not the politicians who are doing it.

awwwww I was hoping you were somebody I knew but he'd never post that.

 

[Vast LWC]

President have not. Did you hear this one from the Mesiah himself.


"As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.

"They do it all the time," he said. "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems."


He admits that the government run postal system is a failure, but wants to take over 7% of our economy on health care????? Hmmm, I don't think so. And you libs think he's smart.

"Asked to clarify, the White House said Obama was pointing out that while core Postal Service services are different from those offered by UPS and FedEx, it has not undermined the competitive spirit of the private shipping industry."

The post office is an entirely different animal than the private shippers. They do the bulk of mail across the country, the cheap mail that is.

The point being, you can get the bare essential, cheap, public health plan (tthe post office) or you will be able to opt for the more expensive private health plans, which have better service (FedEx).

And, for the price they charge and the volume they handle, the post office does a pretty good job thank you very much.

 

[JenT]

Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government's coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It's outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children." The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."

Chuck Norris : Dirty Secret No. 1 in Obamacare - Townhall.com

Now the government want to put a second group of federal inspector in your home this and federal inspector making sure your domicile is up to snuff environmentally .

No no encroachment going on.

OH MY GOD. Seriously, will you people stop with the misleading already.

Obviously this refers to offering classes in child care for people who are in-experienced.

What the hell is wrong with that???

And it doesn't say anything about it being "required".

Hell, judging from some of the liars on this board there are definitely some people out there that could have used a little free help in child-rearing.

The problem is over half of the mental health specialists that I've known have never had kids and yet they think they know all about it because they read it in a book and repeated it back for a good grade.

The books change dramatically over the years, why? BECAUSE THEY HAVEN"T GOT A FREAKING CLUE.

When my sons were born they warned me to be sure and put them on their tummies when they fell asleep, studies showed that there was less SIDS if they slept on their stomachs.

What are they telling everyone these days? The exact opposite.

It's all the flavor of the month, and this total nonsense that if you spank a child, violence will beget violence. I fell for that one until my son was about 3 years old and looked like he was going to murder me with his hockey stick if I really made him go to bed. I knew in the flash of an eye if I didn't establish who was boss then and there, I'd be looking at a 16 year old with that same look some day. I raised one of the most respectful, good hearted kids I know and only had to spank him a couple of times.

Contrast that with a woman I watched get slapped hard by her 3 year old in the face over and over again, and every time she would say, "Now Kayla, we must (SLAP!!!), now Kayla, we must use our words (SLAP!!!) Now Kayla, we must...

That kid ended up in a mental institution when she was 14.

The arrogance of the academic elite is staggering, giving lectures about how to raise kids when they have none of their own is pure foolishness.

 

[AllieBaba]

Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government's coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It's outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children." The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."

Chuck Norris : Dirty Secret No. 1 in Obamacare - Townhall.com

Now the government want to put a second group of federal inspector in your home this and federal inspector making sure your domicile is up to snuff environmentally .

No no encroachment going on.

OMFG . Isn't it nice how the government "would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills." Isn't that great? I can't believe any freedom-loving person would ever allow something like this to happen. Oh wait. NO freedom-loving person would ever allow this to happen.

Two words...Cass Sustein. He believes in taking away parenting from the family, and replacing it with mandatory governmental "programming".

 

[AllieBaba]

So far we have the following scare-mongering tactics:

1. The goverment is going to kill you if you're old and sick.

2. The government is going to force you to have abortions.

3. The government is going to take away your medicare.

and now

4. The Government is going to come into your home and force people to be "brainwashed" on how to raise their child.

There, is that everything?

There is some SERIOUS lying going on here, and for once it's not the politicians who are doing it.

And all those are true.

What isn't true:

1. People are dying because we don't have government health care.
2. Someone is lying to you if you don't see that.
3. You should never challenge your legislators publicly.
4. The minority should tell the majority what is best for them.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government's coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It's outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children." The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."

Chuck Norris : Dirty Secret No. 1 in Obamacare - Townhall.com

Now the government want to put a second group of federal inspector in your home this and federal inspector making sure your domicile is up to snuff environmentally .

No no encroachment going on.

OH MY GOD. Seriously, will you people stop with the misleading already.

Obviously this refers to offering classes in child care for people who are in-experienced.

What the hell is wrong with that???

And it doesn't say anything about it being "required".

Hell, judging from some of the liars on this board there are definitely some people out there that could have used a little free help in child-rearing.

Yeah but this is a class you have to take and they come to your house to give it to you.

 

[Valerie]

So far we have the following scare-mongering tactics:

1. The government is going to kill you if you're old and sick.

2. The government is going to force you to have abortions.

3. The government is going to take away your medicare.

and now

4. The Government is going to come into your home and force people to be "brainwashed" on how to raise their child.

There, is that everything?

There is some SERIOUS lying going on here, and for once it's not the politicians who are doing it.

And all those are true.

What isn't true:

1. People are dying because we don't have government health care.
2. Someone is lying to you if you don't see that.
3. You should never challenge your legislators publicly.
4. The minority should tell the majority what is best for them.

5. If you don't sign on to OBAMA CARE now, now, NOW...
then you don't care about THE CHILDREN!

 

[Valerie]

Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government's coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It's outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children." The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."

Chuck Norris : Dirty Secret No. 1 in Obamacare - Townhall.com

Now the government want to put a second group of federal inspector in your home this and federal inspector making sure your domicile is up to snuff environmentally .

No no encroachment going on.

OH MY GOD. Seriously, will you people stop with the misleading already.

Obviously this refers to offering classes in child care for people who are in-experienced.

What the hell is wrong with that???

And it doesn't say anything about it being "required".

Hell, judging from some of the liars on this board there are definitely some people out there that could have used a little free help in child-rearing.

Yeah but this is a class you have to take and they come to your house to give it to you.

It's a visiting nurse...which is already standard care. Usually one or two short visits.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

OH MY GOD. Seriously, will you people stop with the misleading already.

Obviously this refers to offering classes in child care for people who are in-experienced.

What the hell is wrong with that???

And it doesn't say anything about it being "required".

Hell, judging from some of the liars on this board there are definitely some people out there that could have used a little free help in child-rearing.

Yeah but this is a class you have to take and they come to your house to give it to you.

It's a visiting nurse...which is already standard care. Usually one or two short visits.

It is a colossal waste of money and government intrusion , perhaps they can get pedophiles to run it. Im mean what could go wrong?

 

[veritas]

It's all the flavor of the month, and this total nonsense that if you spank a child, violence will beget violence. I fell for that one until my son was about 3 years old and looked like he was going to murder me with his hockey stick if I really made him go to bed. I knew in the flash of an eye if I didn't establish who was boss then and there, I'd be looking at a 16 year old with that same look some day.

3??!! Sister, if you're not in control way before three, you're toast.

 

[Emma]

Some of you are in desperate need of a dictionary. You can start with looking up the meaning of "voluntary".

 

[Midnight Marauder]

yea dude.. because there are no "parents" that would benefit from such a thing.. Seriously.. your type love wire taps but read a little too much into providing parenting help. Sad, really.

Hey stupid. EVERY part of the Patriot Act is still in play -- wiretaps included -- and has been EXPANDED by Obama. Why don't you study a little bit, perchance to have a chance to have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Fucking moron, tired of seeing the same regurgitated shit from you.

 

[Valerie]

Yeah but this is a class you have to take and they come to your house to give it to you.

It's a visiting nurse...which is already standard care. Usually one or two short visits.

It is a colossal waste of money and government intrusion , perhaps they can get pedophiles to run it. Im mean what could go wrong?

Yes, of course... I can see why you made that logical leap to pedophilia.


A visiting pediatric nurse is government intrusion? Get a grip. It's standard medical care ALREADY provided to SOME mothers upon discharge from the hospital after giving birth, as deemed necessary by the attending DOCTORS and paid for by a typical medical insurance plan and therefore proposed to be included in the government option health plan BECAUSE it is standard medical care.