Christianity Declines, Unbelief Rises, Islam Fastest-Growing Faith in England

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. But as predicted perilous times shall arise before the end, and the faithful in *Jesus Christ* shall diminish.
2. People and followers of *Jesus* shall at one time or another be turned over unto the powers of evil.
3. And Christians shall suffer on a large scale some day.
4. Those days are *just ahead*.
5. But in the end, the faithful shall find itself saved and within the saving arms of *Jesus*.
6. If many lost souls go towards islam, it just means eternity is at hand, those who follow islam have no place within the Kingdom of Heaven, and those who newly convert to it, were always meant to go into darkness.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Avatar4321]

The irony of all this, of course, is that it’s the very First Amendment/Establishment Clause jurisprudence that social conservatives and Christian fundamentalists oppose and seek to undermine that would be their legal, Constitutional salvation should they indeed find themselves as a minority at some point in America’s future.

You know, continuing with your straw man attack really doesn't impress anyone actually reading what you say.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. If I am wrong refute it.
2. Some one just negged me and said I was wrong,..!!!!!!,...lol!!!!!!
3. I find that funny actually.
4. Who ever that is who thinks I am wrong let him refute me.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Glensather]

Interesting that you would call a black man a "slave", but no I did not choose anything of the sort. I chose to be a responsible man, husband, father and provider for my family.

As an aside, I think you're looking for something that isn't there. I don't think he was being racist...

...I hope.

As another aside, I think its great that you came back alive. My feelings for Vietnam are mixed because, while I understand the reasoning behind it, I think that the tactics used during it stunk of Armchair General syndrome; the people in charge had no idea what hell they were sending you into.

My dad served in the USAF during Gulf War One, so maybe I'm just a little more sensitive to soldiers and former soldiers than most .

I see no reason why Christians and Muslims can't unite together on common causes. I've never thought otherwise.

You may not, but the radicals on both ends would probably flip out tremendously.
Take my favorite brand of crazy, Westboro Baptist. If Muslims and Christians united for a common cause, imagine the heart attack they'd have (and all the better; they smear the name of Christianity).

Likewise, a union of such faiths for the greater good would probably cause the Muslim Brotherhood to target everyone who isn't them, even moreso.

 

[Avatar4321]

I see no reason why Christians and Muslims can't unite together on common causes. I've never thought otherwise.

You may not, but the radicals on both ends would probably flip out tremendously.
Take my favorite brand of crazy, Westboro Baptist. If Muslims and Christians united for a common cause, imagine the heart attack they'd have (and all the better; they smear the name of Christianity).

Likewise, a union of such faiths for the greater good would probably cause the Muslim Brotherhood to target everyone who isn't them, even moreso.

Let them flip out. If they have problems with it, that's their problem. I wish they would live the Gospel, but if they won't I won't force them. They have to make their own choices. They just wont recieve the blessings they could have if they did.

There is no point being afraid of people. We need to do good regardless what others think.

 

[Glensather]

Let them flip out. If they have problems with it, that's their problem. I wish they would live the Gospel, but if they won't I won't force them. They have to make their own choices. They just wont receive the blessings they could have if they did.

There is no point being afraid of people. We need to do good regardless what others think.

That's true.
I wish more Christians were like you Avatar. I've never seen you talk down anyone who didn't need it, and from what I can tell you actually live what's written in the book.

Do you think that maybe the reason there's a decline in Christianity is for the express purpose that many self-proclaimed Christians don't live by it? I'm not saying that they have to word for word - nobody is perfect, after all - but I see more lukewarm Christians than hot Christians.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The irony of all this, of course, is that it’s the very First Amendment/Establishment Clause jurisprudence that social conservatives and Christian fundamentalists oppose and seek to undermine that would be their legal, Constitutional salvation should they indeed find themselves as a minority at some point in America’s future.

You know, continuing with your straw man attack really doesn't impress anyone actually reading what you say.

True, if they’re a social conservative or Christian fundamentalist:

I don't think the poster is saying that at all. Unlike Muslims, it makes no difference to me what you believe in or don't believe in. You choose not to believe, no skin off my nose. However, your ideology of making certain that Muslims have their beliefs protected at all costs will serve to accomplish one thing - folks, like you, who choose not to believe in Alah, will be the first to have their heads severed at the neck. Congratulations!!

The above poster may be a lot of things, but he’s hardly a ‘straw man.’ He’s actually advocating that Muslims not be afforded their First Amendment rights, in some sort of perverted effort to ‘save America.’ If Muslims are denied their right to practice their faith, then the entire First Amendment edifice is destroyed, along with the right of Christians to practice their faith.

 

[The Professor]

I am having unbeliever children as fast as I can. ANy ladies need one?

What a noble gesture.

And women say there's no good men left.

 

[Noomi]

New census data released in Britain show that Islam is the fastest-growing religion, the number of people identifying with no religion has almost doubled over 10 years, and the number of those describing themselves as Christian has dropped to 59 percent, down from 72 percent in 2001.


Christianity Declines, Unbelief Rises, Islam Fastest-Growing Faith in England | CNS News

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Dajjal]

The sky is falling, the light of the world is being put out.
The great and merciful teachings of Jesus are being replaced by the evil lies of an Arab cut throat.

If there is a devil he must be gloating. May God have mercy on us all.

 

[turzovka]

New census data released in Britain show that Islam is the fastest-growing religion, the number of people identifying with no religion has almost doubled over 10 years, and the number of those describing themselves as Christian has dropped to 59 percent, down from 72 percent in 2001.


Christianity Declines, Unbelief Rises, Islam Fastest-Growing Faith in England | CNS News

I think the bigger concern is the 59% who call themselves Christian, me being one of them.

There simply is not enough Christians taking God all that seriously. Everyone (meaning most) are just trying to do enough just to get by and still qualify for the kingdom. Which is tragic in itself for the individual, but also causing an enormous spiritual decline and degeneration across the nation. IMO.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Let them flip out. If they have problems with it, that's their problem. I wish they would live the Gospel, but if they won't I won't force them. They have to make their own choices. They just wont recieve the blessings they could have if they did.

There is no point being afraid of people. We need to do good regardless what others think.

Christianity and Islam can't unite, as the two follow different gods. I don't see 3 billion Christians suddenly bowing to the idol in Mecca, nor will the Muslims stop worshiping their idol. I don't see Christians denying that Jesus is the son of god. I don't see Christians OR Mormons denying that Christ died on the cross. The Warlord Muhammad denied all of this.

 

[Avatar4321]

Let them flip out. If they have problems with it, that's their problem. I wish they would live the Gospel, but if they won't I won't force them. They have to make their own choices. They just wont receive the blessings they could have if they did.

There is no point being afraid of people. We need to do good regardless what others think.

That's true.
I wish more Christians were like you Avatar. I've never seen you talk down anyone who didn't need it, and from what I can tell you actually live what's written in the book.

Do you think that maybe the reason there's a decline in Christianity is for the express purpose that many self-proclaimed Christians don't live by it? I'm not saying that they have to word for word - nobody is perfect, after all - but I see more lukewarm Christians than hot Christians.

Even if they "need" it, I need to be better at self restraint.

I would guess that is one of the major reason for Christianities decline. If Christians learned their faith and lived by it, the outpouring of the Spirit would be much greater and people would see it.

The problem is we are biblically illiterate society. So many people, even Christians have no clue what the scriptures actually say. Some believe things that are based on cultural viewpoints rather than what the scriptures actually say.

And youd be surprised how many people dont pray to seek knowledge and truth. Ive even been told by some Christians that it's wrong to do so. How are we supposed to learn if we dont study the scriptures and we don't seek answers from God?

 

[Avatar4321]

New census data released in Britain show that Islam is the fastest-growing religion, the number of people identifying with no religion has almost doubled over 10 years, and the number of those describing themselves as Christian has dropped to 59 percent, down from 72 percent in 2001.


Christianity Declines, Unbelief Rises, Islam Fastest-Growing Faith in England | CNS News

I think the bigger concern is the 59% who call themselves Christian, me being one of them.

There simply is not enough Christians taking God all that seriously. Everyone (meaning most) are just trying to do enough just to get by and still qualify for the kingdom. Which is tragic in itself for the individual, but also causing an enormous spiritual decline and degeneration across the nation. IMO.

That truly is a major problem. And there isnt a minimum qualification for the Kingdom. We give God everything and He gives us everything. If we hold back, so will God. Like I said, we need to get people actually studying the scriptures and praying. And then correcting their lives when they are in error. We do that, and we will be much stronger as Christians and as Americans.

 

[Katzndogz]

Periodically there is a decline in Christianity as the faith starts throwing off the deadwood. There are a lot of people who had referred to themselves as Christians that were never Christians.

 

[Avatar4321]

Let them flip out. If they have problems with it, that's their problem. I wish they would live the Gospel, but if they won't I won't force them. They have to make their own choices. They just wont recieve the blessings they could have if they did.

There is no point being afraid of people. We need to do good regardless what others think.

Christianity and Islam can't unite, as the two follow different gods. I don't see 3 billion Christians suddenly bowing to the idol in Mecca, nor will the Muslims stop worshiping their idol. I don't see Christians denying that Jesus is the son of god. I don't see Christians OR Mormons denying that Christ died on the cross. The Warlord Muhammad denied all of this.

Im not advocating uniting religions. Im advocating uniting with individuals who have common goals.

Both religions, for example, believe in doing charity to others. We could united in Charitable endeavours. They both believe in modesty and are both supposed to shun pornopgrahy. We can help one another in doing these things.

If I can't convince people that my way is better, than as a Christian I am obligated to find ways to lift them their way. I am obligated to always be a friend with those who will accept it. To love my neighbor and my enemies. etc.

There are common grounds. Maybe not as many as say between a Baptist and a Methodist. but there are common grounds in which we can work together.

 

[Katzndogz]

Avatar, you misunderstand islam. The common grounds are the most superficial of grounds. It's like saying Christians drink water, Muslims drink water, therefore there is common ground upon which all can agree. It's just not a basis for two people or institutions to work together.

 

[Glensather]

The sky is falling, the light of the world is being put out.
The great and merciful teachings of Jesus are being replaced by the evil lies of an Arab cut throat.

If there is a devil he must be gloating. May God have mercy on us all.

Radicals are not the only Muslims, you know...

Even if they "need" it, I need to be better at self restraint.

I would guess that is one of the major reason for Christianities decline. If Christians learned their faith and lived by it, the outpouring of the Spirit would be much greater and people would see it.

The problem is we are biblically illiterate society. So many people, even Christians have no clue what the scriptures actually say. Some believe things that are based on cultural viewpoints rather than what the scriptures actually say.

And youd be surprised how many people dont pray to seek knowledge and truth. Ive even been told by some Christians that it's wrong to do so. How are we supposed to learn if we dont study the scriptures and we don't seek answers from God?

I can agree with that. I know more about the Bible than many Christians here at home, but I also dedicated a large portion of my teenage years studying it. Back then, when people were at their worst, I took solace there.

Periodically there is a decline in Christianity as the faith starts throwing off the deadwood. There are a lot of people who had referred to themselves as Christians that were never Christians.

Finally, something we can agree on.

Im not advocating uniting religions. Im advocating uniting with individuals who have common goals.

Both religions, for example, believe in doing charity to others. We could united in Charitable endeavours. They both believe in modesty and are both supposed to shun pornopgrahy. We can help one another in doing these things.

If I can't convince people that my way is better, than as a Christian I am obligated to find ways to lift them their way. I am obligated to always be a friend with those who will accept it. To love my neighbor and my enemies. etc.

There are common grounds. Maybe not as many as say between a Baptist and a Methodist. but there are common grounds in which we can work together.

Very true! It's easy to paint Islam in a negative light - their radicals are pretty good at doing that for us - but in the Koran itself there are a lot of good values. People just like to distort the truth.

To me it's similar to how people cherry-pick the Bible, looking for things that only support their viewpoint. I've read the Koran, and, while it is in a sense more violent than the New Testament, Mohammed actually did say a lot of positive things. He even tried to spin war into a positive light, explaining that, should you conquer someone, you should treat those people with respect, and you should do your best to help people.

Hell, even war should be treated as a last resort according to him.

Avatar, you misunderstand islam. The common grounds are the most superficial of grounds. It's like saying Christians drink water, Muslims drink water, therefore there is common ground upon which all can agree. It's just not a basis for two people or institutions to work together.

They both believe in the same God, I think that's a good start.

 

[bodecea]

Gee, thanks. I didn't ask you to nor do I see them as a threat personally but thanks for the protection. Do I owe you anything?

My apologies then. I thought this was another one of those scary Mulsim thread. My bad.

Quite frankly, I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. I don't know you from Adam but I wonder how you relate to the "disappearance of America"? Nearly everything that this country was founded upon is very quickly being either a., purposely bred out of us or b., being legislated or adjudicated out of us.

I'm an old man. I have lived a good life as an American citizen; but this is NOT the country I grew up in.

We denegrate and belittle those (like me) who profess a belief in Jesus Christ on a daily basis. We pass laws that stifle the free expression of Christianity ANYWHERE but a church. God help us if we offer a prayer for our country in public. I attended my Grand Son's "Winter Extravaganza" last night and never once was there a mention of "Christmas". Never once. But the last song was all about "inclusion". inclusion of WHAT, exactly?

Yet, we are told CONSTANTLY that we must make "allowances" for Muslims, and their beliefs and practices. Why exactly? I was traveling on business several years go and had a layover in Kansas City. The "Muslim" cab drivers were striking to get "foot baths" so they might pray on company time. I heard later that they struck, yet again, to refuse to accept any passenger that THEY felt was intoxicated, or had been drinking at all.

I can only imagine what the uproar might have been had a, say, Baptist or Lutheran done the same thing.

Again, this is NOT the country I grew up in. We use to open each day in school with a prayer and the pledge of allegiance. Try that now and, most likely, you will be thrown into Federal prison.

Christians are the most persecuted people in this country....no, wait....White male christians are the most persecuted people in this country.

 

[Glensather]

Christians are the most persecuted people in this country....no, wait....White male christians are the most persecuted people in this country.

I'm of the belief that white guys in general tend to get shit on in this country.
I blame affirmative action. It was an appropriate law back in like the 50s and 60s, but I'd like to think that people are past that.