China Training For War With Japan

[Unkotare]

The bottom line is simply this...unless we have very strong leadership in Washington willing to maintain our military dominance in the Pacific we will eventually at best become a vassal state of China....the chinese already are beginning to realize we will never be able to repay the massive debt we have built up with them....thus already we see diplomtic efforts on their part to lease American land or industrial areas in America staffed by Chinese as a payback for all the money we owe them...such efforts now are being bandied about by the diplomats...(after all we have an official policy of diversity)eventually such requests may be handled by the Chinese Military and they will not be requests...they will demand it.

Absolute nonsense.

 

[Sawbriars]

The bottom line is simply this...unless we have very strong leadership in Washington willing to maintain our military dominance in the Pacific we will eventually at best become a vassal state of China....the chinese already are beginning to realize we will never be able to repay the massive debt we have built up with them....thus already we see diplomtic efforts on their part to lease American land or industrial areas in America staffed by Chinese as a payback for all the money we owe them...such efforts now are being bandied about by the diplomats...(after all we have an official policy of diversity)eventually such requests may be handled by the Chinese Military and they will not be requests...they will demand it.

Absolute nonsense.

Hardly........unfortunately the truth is just not well understood or even known....how many heard of the following:

UPDATE: China Will Trade Debt for US Land? | Pumas Unleashed

China poised to play debt card ? for U.S. land


Impeachment Time: Obama Grants Eminent Domain Rights to China to Secure Debt - Washington DC Republican | Examiner.com

 

[Sawbriars]

Now since many on here probably have no idea of what a vassal state is .....let me first define that..................A vassal state is any state that is subordinate to another. The vassal in these cases is the ruler, rather than the state itself. Being a vassal most commonly implies providing military assistance to the dominant state when requested to do so; it sometimes implies paying tribute, but a state which does so is better described as a tributary state. In simpler terms the vassal state would have to provide military power to the dominant state. Today, more common terms are puppet state, protectorate or associated state.




At this rate, America will soon be China?s vassal state | Thom Hartmann - News & info from the #1 progressive radio show

 

[Sawbriars]

So what will China do when we tell them we cannot repay them?


It?s Official: Federal Debt Will Never Be Paid | FrontPage Magazine

 

[Unkotare]

Now since many on here probably have no idea of what a vassal state is .....let me first define that..................]

Stop. Shut up. Everyone knows what it is. Time for you to go over to the Conspiracy Forum.

 

[Unkotare]

......look for a military move on a island claimed by japan.....within 6 months....the Chinese are not adverse to a limited military action...in fact they crave one...to demonstrate their military capability...to show the great improvements they have been made.

In addition to wanting to demonstrate their military capability they want to humiliate Japan as well as the USA.

And when, after six months, that has not happened, will you finally STFU?


Well? Will you?

 

[Unkotare]

To understand China one only need take a cursory glance at history and how ascending nations inevitably use their military forces to enhance their dominance.

No, one needs more than just that. Have you ever so much as set foot in China?



Well? Have you?

 

[Trajan]

This is where the fight will occur,

China ships in disputed waters: Japan coastguard | NDTV.com

and contrary to leftwingers opinion, China has been building a blue water navy for several years now.

“These moves into the 'distant seas' would seem inevitable for a nation as large as China,” he said. “But it goes without saying that this expansion into blue waters is largely about countering the Pacific Fleet.”

China’s Xinhua news agency reported that a PLA Navy destroyer and two frigates exercising in the Western Pacific earlier this year were practicing maritime confrontation, open-sea mobile combat, law enforcement and open-sea naval commanding.

“Make no mistake, the PLA Navy is focused on war at sea and about sinking an opposing fleet,” Fanell said.

There is evidence that the PLA Navy has ambitions even beyond the Pacific.

Van Tol said China sent a frigate through the Suez Canal in 2011 to evacuate citizens during unrest in Libia, and Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy efforts off the coast of Somalia."




China's naval aspirations: A 'blue-water' force - Stripes - Independent U.S. military news from Iraq, Afghanistan and bases worldwide

agreed, and this is not the only island chain or lump of rocks and islands they are looking to foist either. Last year they were most brazen in their push for the Spratly islands claimed and held by the Philippines.

They moved a mile and half across the intl. Indian border in the Mount Gya area and have set up camp their as well.

Anyone who thinks the PLA , though not a formal member as having a chair on the politburo nine means they don't have considerable heft, should reconsider. Chinas econ. is not well, they have issues big ones and have been skating for now propping it up, when that goes south, time tested and proven results in gov's like that, is an exercise in uber nationalism.....always a great distraction.

 

[Trajan]

To understand China one only need take a cursory glance at history and how ascending nations inevitably use their military forces to enhance their dominance.

No, one needs more than just that. Have you ever so much as set foot in China?



Well? Have you?

I have, whats your point?

 

[Unkotare]

To understand China one only need take a cursory glance at history and how ascending nations inevitably use their military forces to enhance their dominance.

No, one needs more than just that. Have you ever so much as set foot in China?



Well? Have you?

I have, whats your point?

I wasn't talking to you.

 

[Trajan]

so?


what is your point?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

All militaries simulate conflicts with other countries. US has some tact about it though referring to other countries as 'Country Orange' and such. But you cna't very well have wargames or exercises imagining a fight with aliens or monsters, you simulate real-world threats and potential threats. It isn't controversial.

If anything about this is interesting it's only the 'why bother' aspect. Japan isn't a military power by any stretch of the imagination. Their entire military could be defeated by the US Coast Guard.

 

[Unkotare]

Their entire military could be defeated by the US Coast Guard.

That's exaggerating the situation by a lot.

 

[Vikrant]

The bottom line is simply this...unless we have very strong leadership in Washington willing to maintain our military dominance in the Pacific we will eventually at best become a vassal state of China....the chinese already are beginning to realize we will never be able to repay the massive debt we have built up with them....thus already we see diplomtic efforts on their part to lease American land or industrial areas in America staffed by Chinese as a payback for all the money we owe them...such efforts now are being bandied about by the diplomats...(after all we have an official policy of diversity)eventually such requests may be handled by the Chinese Military and they will not be requests...they will demand it.

Absolute nonsense.

I agree. If a person does not pay his debt, it is not him who is in trouble, it's the lender who is in trouble. Same thing goes for the countries so if US does not pay its debt to China, it is China who is going to be in trouble not the US.

 

[Sawbriars]

The bitter reality of the Chinese Threat......few want to even hear about...especially in Washington...but Obama is shifting his focus to Asia at a snail like pace.

Bottom Line we have 3 very serious threats to our security....ever increasing threats as obama continues to work on his golf game.

Inside the Ring: China readies for 'short, sharp' war with Japan - Washington Times

 

[Vikrant]

China is looking for revenge. It is not willing to forgive and forget. Japanese are just beginning to realize that. This is why there is an effort on the part of Japanese government to forge better relations with countries like India and Vietnam who too are wary of increasing Chinese assertiveness in the region.

 

[Sawbriars]

China is looking for revenge. It is not willing to forgive and forget. Japanese are just beginning to realize that. This is why there is an effort on the part of Japanese government to forge better relations with countries like India and Vietnam who too are wary of increasing Chinese assertiveness in the region.

I agree and all this has come about because of the utter failure of our foreign policy after the end of WWII.....Truman let China go communist....Eisenhower being toooo afraid of Russia allowed a stalemate in N.Korea and took no action against China for coming to the rescue of the N.Koreans....then LBJ/Nixon withdrawing from Vietnam after pursuing a stupid 'strategy' if one can even dignifty what they did with the word 'strategy'....then Nixon opening the door for China who then went on an economic rampage....that no one in Washington was able to foresee....then Clinton giving all of our nuclear secrets to China and allowing the N.Koreans to go Nuclear....not even to mention all the other failures in other parts of the world.

 

[Moonglow]

You left out Reagan and Bush I's push for most favored nation for trading with China...

 

[Vikrant]

At this stage, it is not clear if US is willing to anger China over Japan and Philippines even though both Japan and Philippines are staunch US allies.

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U.S. General Tells Japan, Philippines to Cool China Rhetoric - Bloomberg

 

[Sawbriars]

You left out Reagan and Bush I's push for most favored nation for trading with China...

Yes...glad you mentioned that. Essentially every administration since the end of WWII has been inept, and arrogant to the point of ignoring potential and real threats all the whilst helping everyone in the world and every minority in America whilst ignoring the traditional American Middle Class.