China Training For War With Japan

[Unkotare]

I've heard all the yellow peril talk before. It was most notable before 9/11. The liberals were saying "hey, pay attention to the Taliban", but the conservatives were fixated with laser-like precision on China, telling us all how China was about to overrun the African oil fields and the Panama Canal.

Conservatives need an enemy, and China is often a convenient one. The trouble with that is how it takes eyes off the real troubles.

Of course they do.

Anyone that has ever travelled to China and have friends who are Chinese know that modern China has one overwhelming interest.

Commerce.

The above is the typical sort of shallow thinking one sees constantly on this board....and unfortunately much of the thinking that is going on in Washington in regards to China

You know a lot of Chinese people, numbskull? Ever so much as set foot in China?

 

[mamooth]

No it wasn't. With typical hypocrisy, liberals - notably 'women's rights' groups largely remained silent the more we learned about the treatment of women under the Taliban.

Bullshit. Treatment of women under the Taliban was precisely what the liberals and women's groups were focusing on, all pre-9/11.

Where do you come up with your bizarre alternate-reality fantasies? Remember, you telling lies about us does not make us hypocrites.

 

[Unkotare]

No it wasn't. With typical hypocrisy, liberals - notably 'women's rights' groups largely remained silent the more we learned about the treatment of women under the Taliban.

Bullshit. Treatment of women under the Taliban was precisely was the liberals and women's groups were focusing on, all pre-9/11..

Bullshit. Just as they mostly kept their mouths shut while Bill Clinton was busy forcing other women's mouths open, these so-called women's groups have always been about leftist politics rather than the reality many women have long suffered under. Can't 'judge' another country/culture/faith so keep your mouth shut. Clinton is a democrat, so keep your mouth shut. Instead, channel all that energy into writing books about how sex between a husband and wife is "rape" under any circumstances, fomenting campus outrage over the use of pronouns, and denigrating educated, married women who choose to stay home and raise families. Just as long as you can get your target group to vote the 'correct' way...

 

[Sawbriars]

As China surges and Moscow threatens Ukraine this administration wants to shrink our military>>>>>>>>Pentagon plans to shrink US Army to pre-WWII level

 

[bianco]

Your weak sandbox sure as hell won't do it.

True.
One day we might graduate from pop guns and mortars...and get some of the latest weapons, and plenty of them.
Useless politicians.
Nuke powered and nuke armed subs, ICBMs, and long range nuke etc armed drones etc.
As it stands today, the sandbox is just a doormat and boot licker of Japan.

We might get lucky, China might do the job for us.

Be careful what you wish for, Dundee. If China ever does anything regarding your sandbox it will be TO you, not FOR you. At which point you'd all piss yourselves and come crying to us for help, of course.

Not if you allowed us to have nukes...and plenty of them.
Which you won't do.
You cry "Nuclear non proliferation", so we dutifully sign up...and leave ourselves defenceless.
But China, Russia, India, Pakistan, NK, Iran etc are allowed to have nukes and build missiles that can reach us.
Japan will have nukes next, you watch.

 

[Mr. President]

They can sink a US ship or two but after that it's goodnight china!!! Japan is no lackluster military force either.

 

[Unkotare]

True.
One day we might graduate from pop guns and mortars...and get some of the latest weapons, and plenty of them.
Useless politicians.
Nuke powered and nuke armed subs, ICBMs, and long range nuke etc armed drones etc.
As it stands today, the sandbox is just a doormat and boot licker of Japan.

We might get lucky, China might do the job for us.

Be careful what you wish for, Dundee. If China ever does anything regarding your sandbox it will be TO you, not FOR you. At which point you'd all piss yourselves and come crying to us for help, of course.

Not if you allowed us to have nukes...and plenty of them.
Which you won't do..

You idiots are too backward to be trusted with pointy sticks, let alone nuclear weapons. Just play in your sandbox and if we need you to do something we'll give you your orders.

 

[Unkotare]

Japan will have nukes next, you watch.

Japan already has nukes - they have us as an ally. And they could put together their own in about half an hour if necessary. You savages, on the other hand, are lucky if you can start a fire by rubbing two sticks together. If it rains, you're outta luck 'mate.'

 

[SayMyName]

Fortunately, in the end, more reasonable minds are at the helm.

U.S. plays down tension with China, upbeat on military exchanges

 

[Sawbriars]

Fortunately, in the end, more reasonable minds are at the helm.

U.S. plays down tension with China, upbeat on military exchanges

"They treated my people's wound superficially, telling them, 'Peace, peace,' but there is no peace"

On the heels of Hagel's declaration of intent to reduce American Forces to pre WWII levels......come this news today>>>>>>China ups military spend by 12 percent. Are the gloves coming off? - CSMonitor.com.

The Western failure in its confrontation with Putin will only serve to invigorate the Chinese Military adventurists......look for a military move on a island claimed by japan.....within 6 months....the Chinese are not adverse to a limited military action...in fact they crave one...to demonstrate their military capability...to show the great improvements they have been made.

In addition to wanting to demonstrate their military capability they want to humiliate Japan as well as the USA.

 

[Unkotare]

......look for a military move on a island claimed by japan.....within 6 months....the Chinese are not adverse to a limited military action...in fact they crave one...to demonstrate their military capability...to show the great improvements they have been made.

In addition to wanting to demonstrate their military capability they want to humiliate Japan as well as the USA.

And when, after six months, that has not happened, will you finally STFU?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Fortunately, in the end, more reasonable minds are at the helm.

U.S. plays down tension with China, upbeat on military exchanges

I'm posting this clip from your article, SayMyName.

"I believe we have lots in common, with not only the Chinese government but the Chinese military. It's important for us that we emphasize engagement, dialogue and understanding and build trust between our militaries.

China and the United States have numerous diplomatic disagreements in the region, including China's moves to assert sovereignty in the South and East China Sea and U.S. support for self-ruled Taiwan, claimed by Beijing as a wayward province.

"Those are all issues that we've been working through for a long time and will continue to work through," Odierno said.

The Chinese and U.S. militaries have faced off on several occasions in recent years, raising the fear of an unintended clash because of a lack of proper communication channels between the two sides.

In December, a U.S. guided missile cruiser operating in international waters in the South China Sea was forced to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a Chinese warship maneuvering nearby.

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This is about Taiwan as Odierno points out. What he fails to mention is that we have a treaty concerning Taiwan. So America will respond when the Chinese invade Taiwan. Then after America responds Russia is going to respond by attacking the United States. We are not too far off now.

 

[Sawbriars]

China is a ascending power...America is a declining power.....who can deny that?

To understand China one only need take a cursory glance at history and how ascending nations inevitably use their military forces to enhance their dominance.

Now we see the 'shallow thinkers' on this boad claiming China is only interested in economics...aka inhancing their trade and economy....such naivety and or gullibility is also rampant in Washington...demonstrated very well by Hillary's statement that China needs America.....but the real question is>>>>for how long?

Another fact that is understood by the intelligence community is the dangerous reality that the Chinese Political Structure does not have firm control of their Military Forces....they are to a great extent a independent power....far different from how the U.S. Military is totally subservient to our Political Leaders.

The Chinese Military is very close to being a independent force in China and if it achieves a couple of notable military successes in its current policy of military adventurism...it may become the dominant power in China.

China?s military rise: The dragon?s new teeth | The Economist

 

[Unkotare]

To understand China one only need take a cursory glance at history and how ascending nations inevitably use their military forces to enhance their dominance.

No, one needs more than just that. Have you ever so much as set foot in China?

 

[Sawbriars]

A huge fallacy being made by the peaceniks in Washington is that they do not understand Chinese thinking....using western logic it makes no sense for China to foment trouble with it's current trading partners....aka....the infamous hillary statement..."China Needs America".....The Chinese are extremely intelligent and understand the West much better than we understand them....they know our weaknesses and have exploited them in the past and will continue to do so.....the simple fact is that it is a cold cruel world and the wimpy dullards in Washington are ill-suited to deal with it.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/21/this_week_at_war_whos_chinese_military_is_

 

[Sawbriars]

A link that works>>>>>>Whose Chinese Military Is It?

This Week at War: Whose Chinese Military Is It?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

China is a ascending power...America is a declining power.....who can deny that?

To understand China one only need take a cursory glance at history and how ascending nations inevitably use their military forces to enhance their dominance.

Now we see the 'shallow thinkers' on this boad claiming China is only interested in economics...aka inhancing their trade and economy....such naivety and or gullibility is also rampant in Washington...demonstrated very well by Hillary's statement that China needs America.....but the real question is>>>>for how long?

Another fact that is understood by the intelligence community is the dangerous reality that the Chinese Political Structure does not have firm control of their Military Forces....they are to a great extent a independent power....far different from how the U.S. Military is totally subservient to our Political Leaders.

The Chinese Military is very close to being a independent force in China and if it achieves a couple of notable military successes in its current policy of military adventurism...it may become the dominant power in China.

China?s military rise: The dragon?s new teeth | The Economist

The speech I read from one of their military commanders was by far one of the most chilling speeches I have ever seen. He spoke of the necessity of land the chinese people needed - that invading the United States and killing 200 million Americans was justifiable as the Chinese were a superior people.

( I don't know why he said 200 million Americans instead of 300 plus but that was the number he gave ) So long as American citizens do not disarm this would be impossible of course.

 

[Sawbriars]

China is a ascending power...America is a declining power.....who can deny that?

To understand China one only need take a cursory glance at history and how ascending nations inevitably use their military forces to enhance their dominance.

Now we see the 'shallow thinkers' on this boad claiming China is only interested in economics...aka inhancing their trade and economy....such naivety and or gullibility is also rampant in Washington...demonstrated very well by Hillary's statement that China needs America.....but the real question is>>>>for how long?

Another fact that is understood by the intelligence community is the dangerous reality that the Chinese Political Structure does not have firm control of their Military Forces....they are to a great extent a independent power....far different from how the U.S. Military is totally subservient to our Political Leaders.

The Chinese Military is very close to being a independent force in China and if it achieves a couple of notable military successes in its current policy of military adventurism...it may become the dominant power in China.

China?s military rise: The dragon?s new teeth | The Economist

The speech I read from one of their military commanders was by far one of the most chilling speeches I have ever seen. He spoke of the necessity of land the chinese people needed - that invading the United States and killing 200 million Americans was justifiable as the Chinese were a superior people.

( I don't know why he said 200 million Americans instead of 300 plus but that was the number he gave ) So long as American citizens do not disarm this would be impossible of course.

I think their current policy is a incremental approach to dominance...bit by bit....first economic dominance and then to gradually increase their hedgemony via limited military actions and the accumulation of such military force as to prohibit any foreign challenges via all out war...as one Chinese General was famous for saying.."Would America sacrifice Los Angeles for Taiwan?"....that sums it up.

The old American Strategy we used against Russia in the Cold War aka the 'Mad doctrine' or Mutual Assured Destruction...which more or less worked against Russia will not be the correct strategy to deal with China...first of all because it is more bluff than anything...and the Chinese are great gamblers....they will not be bluffed.

The bottom line is simply this...unless we have very strong leadership in Washington willing to maintain our military dominance in the Pacific we will eventually at best become a vassal state of China....the chinese already are beginning to realize we will never be able to repay the massive debt we have built up with them....thus already we see diplomtic efforts on their part to lease American land or industrial areas in America staffed by Chinese as a payback for all the money we owe them...such efforts now are being bandied about by the diplomats...(after all we have an official policy of diversity)eventually such requests may be handled by the Chinese Military and they will not be requests...they will demand it.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The Russian and Chinese spies know where our nuclear warehouses are. They have had a tour of NORAD ( russians ) They've been planning this for decades. They have all their military equip in place. That was the difficult part. Their soldiers can easily come across the border and blend in as civilians until they get the order to attack. The reality that the cold war never ended is a stark one. The Chinese played along too in order to enrich themselves but this is no longer in their interest to continue the relationship with the US. We're out of money, out of collateral and we've got nothing else to trade. These are not the type of people that write off debts.

This is the side of communism most Americans have never witnessed firsthand and once the tanks roll in? Then it will be too late to do anything about it.

 

[Unkotare]

A huge fallacy being made by the peaceniks in Washington is that they do not understand Chinese thinking....using western logic it makes no sense for China to foment trouble with it's current trading partners....aka....the infamous hillary statement..."China Needs America".....The Chinese are extremely intelligent and understand the West much better than we understand them....]

Pointless stereotypes, generalizations, and exoticizing of the 'other.'

Readers should feel free to disregard his dope's drivel.