China to provide military aid to Russia

[gipper]

Even disloyal turncoats are entitled to their point of view

And he is definately full of his long-winded opinion

The fact remains that russia illegally invaded an independent sovereign country

Heil Hitler!

 

[Mac-7]

Heil Hitler!

You are saluting your fuhrer not mine

 

[gipper]

You are saluting your fuhrer not mine

The war propaganda pushed by the state works EVERY TIME on many dumb Americans.

 

[Mac-7]

The war propaganda pushed by the state works EVERY TIME on many dumb Americans.

You are a troll

 

[gipper]

You are a troll

Of course I am. That’s all you warmongers know.

Sieg Heil!

 

[peacefan]

More bad news for Ukraine

China Helping Russiaâs War With Ukraine With Military AidâViolating SanctionsâReports Show

China’s state-owned defense company reportedly provided navigation equipment and fighter jet parts to Russia as its invasion of Ukraine nears its one-year mark.

www.forbes.com

what the hell else do you expect, Americans, when you go on a big scale offensive on many fronts at the same time with a mere 1 in 3 chance (by population count) of winning the prize of global domination for your own form of government.
by engaging that many enemies at the same time, you put the entire foundation of NATO and the EU and AUKUS at great risk of collapse due to an unforeseen large scale sustained series of strikes against our economies and infrastructure, by enemies that traditionally act dumb (both Muslims and Chinese do this in day to day culture) but think smart.
and they'll listen to reason, so we can not treat them with the severe disrespect of a uni-polar campaign for dominance.
accept the fact that this is now a multi-polar world with the rise of China, and consider a retreat from Taiwan.
i find it quite logical for China to claim the territory of Taiwan, like i find the same true for Russia vs far-eastern Ukraine.
if you wanna really project strength, and actually retain the ability to stay strong @ home, then you invest in R&D and realistic, prize-money-based, drills between divisions and countries in alliances.
teaching the troops the arts of deception and gambling could be crucial in the future online fights against them.
street ads for gambling services are rampant in my country The Netherlands at the moment, and i see criminal gangs picking up on that by publicizing their own apps and websites where they just take 100% of the profits.
so we need to both let these kids, through their social media and online activities, learn how to avoid gambling (by having a professional teacher explain it to them via a youtube channel for instance), and the risks that street deceptions can bring to online activities.
i think we can stop a lot of serious crimes a lot better in the future that way.

 

[peacefan]

i've just heard an at least partially set of arguments by general Jack Keane (US) :
"why do you find 5 of the Eastern-European countries supporting the war in Ukraine with more % of their GDP than the US? because they know what Russian rule is like, and they know that if Ukriane falls, they're next".

i find this, after proper consideration, to be just more preaching-to-the-choir by military industrial complex representatives (yes, i meant you, general Keane).

the fact is that Russia is not unreasonable in their territorial claims towards both Kaliningrad and Eastern Ukraine, where a lot of native Russian speakers live, and which is in peace time rich farmland.
i really think we in NATO and the EU drove the Russia bear to far back into it's much more ancient borders, far too quickly (within a few decades even, since the fall of the Berlin Wall in the 1980s).

 

[peacefan]

China will be the ‘most significant threat’ the US has faced: General Jack Keane

Former prime minister Paul Keating is “flat wrong” about China not being a threat, says former US Army vice chief of staff General Jack Keane. “I was actually in the Biden White House on Tuesday and they were briefing me on the China strategy as well of their implementation of it,” General...

www.skynews.com.au

China will be the ‘most significant threat’ the US has faced: General Jack Keane
March 16, 2023 - 10:09PM

Former prime minister Paul Keating is “flat wrong” about China not being a threat, says former US Army vice chief of staff General Jack Keane.
“I was actually in the Biden White House on Tuesday and they were briefing me on the China strategy as well of their implementation of it,” General Keane told Sky News host Andrew Bolt.
“It was highly classified but I can just flat tell you that China is the most significant threat that the United States has faced since the Soviet Union.
“And when you put it all together, I really think it will be the most significant that we have ever faced.
“And we cannot do this by ourselves – we need Australia, Japan, the Philippines, we need our other allies in Europe to assist with the threat.”

after some serious introspection and reconsidering late last week & last weekend, i've come round to supporting general Keane's views as expressed in this article.

https://www.facebook .com/rene.veerman.90/posts/pfbid0vf4Yy9WbLi3tVj7jfB1Z4MnbZa6evNpbgLDbvyk8TXdCWtCMyEaN2m7Q1TuKRbgol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3wKzyIN1yk

npo3fm.nl/live played this song just now,
and this time it really stuck a chord in my emotions.

China on the warpath, accused in Western mass media of being a competitor to the US for a uni-polar world-view.
i'm gonna need a statement by the Chinese high command, backed sooner or later by the Russians, that they want a 'honest multi-polar world-order'.
or i'm gonna have to switch from a neutral stance in my peace activism "hobby" (it takes up more time than you'd like to know), to a purely NATO+EU+AUKUS+Allies supporting one, dear Chinese.

#1
POLITICIANS OF EARTH : after careful re-consideration, i've decided NOT to stop my peace activism just yet.
why? i really really want to establish an equality-based multi-polar world-order.

#2
Russian, Chinese leaderships : so what if the NATO based International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Putin?
it's not like that guy *needs* to travel outside his own alliance of nations.
and he *did* commit warcrimes, in my not-always-humble opinion.
slaughtering all those people with long range munitions, YUCK!

#3
as of right now, https://www.facebook.com/rene.veerman.90/posts/pfbid0vf4Yy9WbLi3tVj7jfB1Z4MnbZa6evNpbgLDbvyk8TXdCWtCMyEaN2m7Q1TuKRbgol , you can count me as a true ally of Western politicians. i and God are done trusting the Chinese and Russians. the risk of serious negative long-term effects for Western societies is far too large, and my tour through Hell of late last week, and last weekend, made that clear to me on this Monday morning.

#4
China says the ICC should avoid double standards, but they're forgetting the bigger picture : the US, NATO, EU, AUKUS + Allies, they're still fighting for a capitalism+democratic uni-polar world-order.
And they're very much projecting 'competiveness' onto China, who i can't help but suspect of picking up in their friendly + pretend-to-be-dumb + act-sneakily ancient ways of ACCEPTING THAT COMPETIVENESS AND GOING FOR THE PRIZE : an eb-and-flow of capital and public support between democracy and communism/socialism derived political organisation of the WORLD.

#5
what do i want to achieve? a multi-polar world order based on equality (all of us being just Humans), with regional wars fading into the history books as lessons for youths going through highschool.

 

[peacefan]

and if the Chinese *do* provide Russia with lethal aid for their war in Ukraine, then China loses *all* credibility as a global broker of diplomatic efforts, in my not-always-humble opinion.

 

[multivita-man]

and if the Chinese *do* provide Russia with lethal aid for their war in Ukraine, then China loses *all* credibility as a global broker of diplomatic efforts, in my not-always-humble opinion.

They don't care what the West thinks; they want to end Western dominance and I guess Xi is prepared to have a more openly adversarial relationship with the West to achieve his goals.

 

[Litwin]

More bad news for Ukraine

China Helping Russiaâs War With Ukraine With Military AidâViolating SanctionsâReports Show

China’s state-owned defense company reportedly provided navigation equipment and fighter jet parts to Russia as its invasion of Ukraine nears its one-year mark.

www.forbes.com

SURE IVAN , THE HANS WILL SAVE YOU !

REALITY :

 

[Litwin]

A different time and situation.

I cannot say that I'm surprised, aside that it happens a earlier. When you look into (Chinese) history you will find the chapter of "Unequal Treaties" where parts of China were carved out and integrated into imperial powers, e.g. Britain, Germany, France, Japan and...Muscovy .

 

[Litwin]

More bad news for Ukraine

China Helping Russiaâs War With Ukraine With Military AidâViolating SanctionsâReports Show

China’s state-owned defense company reportedly provided navigation equipment and fighter jet parts to Russia as its invasion of Ukraine nears its one-year mark.

www.forbes.com

sure ivan

 

[peacefan]

They don't care what the West thinks; they want to end Western dominance and I guess Xi is prepared to have a more openly adversarial relationship with the West to achieve his goals.

i say we give Xi the benefit of the doubt until it becomes clear whether or not China *is* actually providing lethal aid to Russia.

 

[multivita-man]

i say we give Xi the benefit of the doubt until it becomes clear whether or not China *is* actually providing lethal aid to Russia.

They're already providing ammo, guns, and small shit like that. No drones like Iran, but give it time, maybe.

 

[peacefan]

They're already providing ammo, guns, and small shit like that. No drones like Iran, but give it time, maybe.

yeah, that is news to me, and somewhat worrisome too.

 

[multivita-man]

yeah, that is news to me, and somewhat worrisome too.

You have countries like Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran that totally want to fuck up our alliances and break stuff. Then you have countries like India, OPEC, and frankly much of the developing world that don't want to break us because we employ them, but they definitely wouldn't mind diluting our power.

The threat against China if they support Russia is that the US/EU/East Asia participates in harder sanctions against China, which is a real threat, but we are overestimating our capabilities, IMO. If Xi decides that the timing is right to hand Russia a partial victory, then he sees that as a partial defeat for the United States. It's worth some sanctions as far as he's concerned because he assumes that unlike Putin, he's not a war criminal and whatever sanctions he takes on won't be indefinite.

 

[peacefan]

You have countries like Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran that totally want to fuck up our alliances and break stuff. Then you have countries like India, OPEC, and frankly much of the developing world that don't want to break us because we employ them, but they definitely wouldn't mind diluting our power.

The threat against China if they support Russia is that the US/EU/East Asia participates in harder sanctions against China, which is a real threat, but we are overestimating our capabilities, IMO. If Xi decides that the timing is right to hand Russia a partial victory, then he sees that as a partial defeat for the United States. It's worth some sanctions as far as he's concerned because he assumes that unlike Putin, he's not a war criminal and whatever sanctions he takes on won't be indefinite.

we the Dutch have a saying : tall trees catch a lot of wind.
in politics, it means : powerful people/countries get a lot of scrutiny and bad vibes pointed at them during political storms.

so what you raise here are all valid arguments, imho.
but there's one thing missing from your arguments : the upcoming conflict over Taiwan.
the Chinese can't afford sanctions and a united western alliance.
so i don't think the Chinese will supply the Russians with heavy arms.
i think they'd rather focus on their own "problems" (Taiwan).

 

[peacefan]

While the US may worry about how Russia-China cooperation might expand after the summit, it seems unlikely to be the game changer that Putin wanted
Remote : 2023-03-22(Wednesday) 16 : 10 : 17
Local : 2023-03-22(Wednesday) 16 : 10 : 17
Found via https://nicer.app/world-news

well, i've only read the headline, but at least things now finally seem to be on the right path (according to me and the many wishes i dropped about the Ukraine war's future developments).
Russia will have to be *reasonable* and annex only towns and regions that have 70% or more Russian speaking population.
China will have to realise that no-one, not even God, is omnipotent, due to population sizes, sizes and complexities of economies (in their entirety, from raw earth and water to everything we humans consume), etc, etc,
and China will have be to be stubborn towards both Iran and Russia about those countries' leaderships continued but completely unacceptable desires to restart an empire of their own, *by force excerted onto innocent humans nearby or far away*.

China will also have to fully co-operate in the anti-fentenyl operations.
i thank the Chinese for the wisdom that they've shown in their actions by putting the negotations with Russia about providing Russia with arms for use in the Ukraine war, on a "no can't do *that* for you" path.
as a show of my appreciation, i'll consider comitting myself to a life-long career as a civilian diplomat(-warrior , with all the potential consequences for myself and my loved ones.
but you may also know that i've already said 'yes' to a lifelong career in this ugly business of 'managing upcoming (possible) wars'.

 

[beagle9]

we the Dutch have a saying : tall trees catch a lot of wind.
in politics, it means : powerful people/countries get a lot of scrutiny and bad vibes pointed at them during political storms.

so what you raise here are all valid arguments, imho.
but there's one thing missing from your arguments : the upcoming conflict over Taiwan.
the Chinese can't afford sanctions and a united western alliance.
so i don't think the Chinese will supply the Russians with heavy arms.
i think they'd rather focus on their own "problems" (Taiwan).

Hmmmm, on a global scale we are all just player's on a world chess board.

So, are we great at Chess with our current crop of leader's, and are these world player's/leader's good with the agenda's that we as a nation are promoting or are we enraging the world to our utter demise because of what we have allowed within this country to develope now ??? Think about it.