China in military exercise with NATO country

[hipeter924]

Don't bother with him, let him keep his delusion that Turkey is anything more than a third world shit hole, truth is that is run by extreme nationalists and religious extremists, such a combination is toxic and Turkey will soon collapse in on itself due to internal conflicts such as over the Kurds (regardless of how much the economy improves).

1. Real World.
2. Fantasy World.
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3. hipeter924's World.

Another propaganda piece of yours, I will put that alongside the claim the Armenian Genocide was a 'civil war'.

 

[ekrem]

Another propaganda piece of yours, I will put that alongside the claim the Armenian Genocide was a 'civil war'.

It was during WW1. But, it was no "civil war".

The Armenians made attack against WTC of Ottomans.
1896 Ottoman Bank Takeover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They also tried to kill the Sultan, he survived but his bodyguards died.
Y?ld?z assassination attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


We made you Anti-Terror. Simple as that.

 

[ekrem]

khazouk is a spike driven through its victim’s rectum, which the Ottomans used to terrify locals and deter potential insurgents.
The Return of the Ottomans | The Weekly Standard

You must be very stupid to make terror against the Cruel Turk.

 

[hipeter924]

Another propaganda piece of yours, I will put that alongside the claim the Armenian Genocide was a 'civil war'.

It was during WW1. But, it was no "civil war".

The Armenians made attack against WTC of Ottomans.
1896 Ottoman Bank Takeover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They also tried to kill the Sultan, he survived but his bodyguards died.
Y?ld?z assassination attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


We made you Anti-Terror. Simple as that.

International response

The Armenian Revolutionary Federation's goals had been partially accomplished in getting the attention of the major powers.
Despite the nature of the takeover of the bank, the brutality endured by the Armenian civilian population in the wake of the incident overshadowed the incident itself,[13] renewing Western concern for Armenian safety in the Ottoman Empire.[13] United States President Grover Cleveland, responding to widespread support for the Armenian cause galvanized by American missionaries stationed in the Ottoman Empire,[14] condemned "the rage of mad bigotry and cruel fanaticism," the "not infrequent reports of the wanton destruction of homes and the bloody butchery of men, women, and children, made martyrs to their profession of Christian faith."

I do not believe that the present sombre prospect in Turkey will be long permitted to offend the sight of Christendom. It so mars the humane and enlightened civilization that belongs to the close of the 19th century that it seems hardly possible that the earnest demand of good peoples throughout the Christian world for its corrective treatment will remain unanswered.[15]
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Cleveland rejected the possibility of asserting American military force to protect Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, offering accommodation to "those who seek to avoid the perils which threaten them in Turkish dominions."
1896 Ottoman Bank Takeover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read the articles before you post them, as that one blatantly exposes the evil and destructive nature of the Ottoman Empire at the time, you should really find better propaganda.

They held up a bank to protest international inaction against:

The Hamidian massacres, also referred to as the Armenian Massacres of 1894–1896, refers to the massacring of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire, with estimates of the dead ranging from 80,000 to 300,000,[1] and at least 50,000 orphans as a result.[2] The massacres are named for Abdul Hamid II, whose efforts to reinforce the territorial integrity of the embattled Ottoman Empire reasserted Pan-Islamism as a state ideology.[3]
Hamidian massacres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is why they tried to kill him, for being an evil, genocidal monster and an unjust ruler.

 

[ekrem]

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It was WW1 and in those times Ottomans were Caliphate.
US President talking about Christianity is in that context.
US President had Anglo-Saxon tradition, in those times Britain and Russia were Ottomans fiercest enemies.

We don't expect US President of that era to say anything positive about Ottomans.

 

[Marc39]

Another propaganda piece of yours, I will put that alongside the claim the Armenian Genocide was a 'civil war'.

It was during WW1. But, it was no "civil war".

The Armenians made attack against WTC of Ottomans.
1896 Ottoman Bank Takeover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They also tried to kill the Sultan, he survived but his bodyguards died.
Y?ld?z assassination attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


We made you Anti-Terror. Simple as that.

Good for you that you deny Turks' role in the Armenian genocide, which if you do otherwise, will land you in a Turkish jail.

Good holocaust denier, like Turkey's new friends in Iran who deny the Nazi Holocaust.

 

[ekrem]

Good for you that you deny Turks' role in the Armenian genocide, which if you do otherwise, will land you in a Turkish jail.

Good holocaust denier, like Turkey's new friends in Iran who deny the Nazi Holocaust.

The Ottomans were in non-stop war, way before WW1 even started.

The Brits wanted the oil-fields of Ottoman vilayets in Mid-East.
The Russians exponentially rising in power, wanted access in the Mediterranean for their Navy through Turkish controlled Bosphorus Straits.

Like the Brits did with Arabs, Russians (Orthodox) used Armenians (Orthodox) for revolt within Ottoman Empire.
Russia played patron for Orthodox world, this was already visible in Russian-Turkish War of 1878, when countries like Orthodox Romania gained their independence as a direct result of this war.
Russo-Turkish War (1877?1878) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Armenians were Orthodox, were working for independence with Russian assistance.
When WW1 came, Russians marched through Caucasus into Eastern Anatolia. A region populated with Ottoman-Armenians. It was a battlefield area. The Armenians of that area were relocated into Syrian desert to make the battle-zone clean of any disadvantages against the Russians.


As long as the Armenians pretend, that they are victims in similarity to what has happened to German Jews, there will be no discussion.
Turks ruled over Armenians since 1071 with Manzikert Battle against Byzantine Empire.
So, after 800 years, Turks one morning wake-up from sleep and decide to deport Armenians into Syrian Desert just for fun ?
If we were Hitler-style we would have genocide them beginning in 1071.

They (Armenians) shall admit, that during the last period of Ottoman Empire (dissolution) they chose to side with the enemy, whilst loyal Ottomans were fighting in battles from Yemen to Balkans.

German Jews did not try to revolt against Germany, nor did they collaborate with an outside enemy, nor did they seize Central Bank of Germany nor did they attack the Kaiser.

As long as they avoid to vouch for their own actions and pretend Turks have sent them to Syrian Desert just for fun, there is no real basis for discussion.

 

[Marc39]

Good for you that you deny Turks' role in the Armenian genocide, which if you do otherwise, will land you in a Turkish jail.

Good holocaust denier, like Turkey's new friends in Iran who deny the Nazi Holocaust.

The Ottomans were in non-stop war, way before WW1 even started.

The Brits wanted the oil-fields of Ottoman vilayets in Mid-East.
The Russians exponentially rising in power, wanted access in the Mediterranean for their Navy through Turkish controlled Bosphorus Straits.

Like the Brits did with Arabs, Russians (Orthodox) used Armenians (Orthodox) for revolt within Ottoman Empire.
Russia played patron for Orthodox world, this was already visible in Russian-Turkish War of 1878, when countries like Orthodox Romania gained their independence as a direct result of this war.
Russo-Turkish War (1877?1878) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Armenians were Orthodox, were working for independence with Russian assistance.
When WW1 came, Russians marched through Caucasus into Eastern Anatolia. A region populated with Ottoman-Armenians. It was a battlefield area. The Armenians of that area were relocated into Syrian desert to make the battle-zone clean of any disadvantages against the Russians.


As long as the Armenians pretend, that they are victims in similarity to what has happened to German Jews, there will be no discussion.
Turks ruled over Armenians since 1071 with Manzikert Battle against Byzantine Empire.
So, after 800 years, Turks one morning wake-up from sleep and decide to deport Armenians into Syrian Desert just for fun ?
If we were Hitler-style we would have genocide them beginning in 1071.

They (Armenians) shall admit, that during the last period of Ottoman Empire (dissolution) they chose to side with the enemy, whilst loyal Ottomans were fighting in battles from Yemen to Balkans.

German Jews did not try to revolt against Germany, nor did they collaborate with an outside enemy, nor did they seize Central Bank of Germany nor did they attack the Kaiser.

As long as they avoid to vouch for their own actions and pretend Turks have sent them to Syrian Desert just for fun, there is no real basis for discussion.

The US Congress Passes Resolution Acknowledging Turk's Role In Armenian Holocaust.
Armenian Genocide Resolution Passes US Congress Committee | Europe | English

Allah is a mass murderer.

 

[hipeter924]

Good for you that you deny Turks' role in the Armenian genocide, which if you do otherwise, will land you in a Turkish jail.

Good holocaust denier, like Turkey's new friends in Iran who deny the Nazi Holocaust.

The Ottomans were in non-stop war, way before WW1 even started.

The Brits wanted the oil-fields of Ottoman vilayets in Mid-East.
The Russians exponentially rising in power, wanted access in the Mediterranean for their Navy through Turkish controlled Bosphorus Straits.

Like the Brits did with Arabs, Russians (Orthodox) used Armenians (Orthodox) for revolt within Ottoman Empire.
Russia played patron for Orthodox world, this was already visible in Russian-Turkish War of 1878, when countries like Orthodox Romania gained their independence as a direct result of this war.
Russo-Turkish War (1877?1878) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Armenians were Orthodox, were working for independence with Russian assistance.
When WW1 came, Russians marched through Caucasus into Eastern Anatolia. A region populated with Ottoman-Armenians. It was a battlefield area. The Armenians of that area were relocated into Syrian desert to make the battle-zone clean of any disadvantages against the Russians.


As long as the Armenians pretend, that they are victims in similarity to what has happened to German Jews, there will be no discussion.
Turks ruled over Armenians since 1071 with Manzikert Battle against Byzantine Empire.
So, after 800 years, Turks one morning wake-up from sleep and decide to deport Armenians into Syrian Desert just for fun ?
If we were Hitler-style we would have genocide them beginning in 1071.

They (Armenians) shall admit, that during the last period of Ottoman Empire (dissolution) they chose to side with the enemy, whilst loyal Ottomans were fighting in battles from Yemen to Balkans.

German Jews did not try to revolt against Germany, nor did they collaborate with an outside enemy, nor did they seize Central Bank of Germany nor did they attack the Kaiser.

As long as they avoid to vouch for their own actions and pretend Turks have sent them to Syrian Desert just for fun, there is no real basis for discussion.

The US Congress Passes Resolution Acknowledging Turk's Role In Armenian Holocaust.
Armenian Genocide Resolution Passes US Congress Committee | Europe | English

Allah is a mass murderer.

He wants to deny reality, its a Turkish tradition.

 

[mdn2000]

Good capitalist, thats pretty funny, this project will be a giant black hole for money, they will have to dump money in by the shipload over the entire life of the railway.

Billions of dollars every year.

Not to mention how stable that region is.

Turkey is still not where it belongs economically. We do not have the tax-incomes of China.
Till 2023 we will already invest 100 Billion $ in new highways, additional 35 Billion $ Highways will be built by private-economy through BOT (Build-Operate-Transfer) model.
$100 billion in transportation projects planned for next 13 years

The 35 Billion $ BOT thing is not ambitious, because in September 2010 it was already signed with a Italian-Turkish consortium to build a 6.5 Billion $ highway at their own costs in BOT model.
Astaldi in $6.5 billion Turkey motorway deal | Reuters

If China gives us cash in favourable terms to also built High-Speed railway, then be it so.
From 2002 to 2010, Turkish economy has risen 150%
Erdogan Like Ataturk Roils Elite as Kiler Rises With AK's Power - Bloomberg

In that time we invested 41 Billion $ in infrastructure.
Now economy and taxes have risen and we will invest a larger sum into infrastructure.
Total debt of Turkish State is just 45% of GDP.
OECD predicts Turkish economy to grow average annualy 6.7% from 2011-2017.

We can take credit from China without any concerns.
That we take credit from China in a bilateral state-to-state credit already shows, that this credit has better interest conditions then the credit on free-market.
China gains influence with Turkey, and everyone is happy in the new multi-polar world-order.

So what.

China is a Marxist state, Turkey is Islamic, both very weak militarily as well as economically.

Rich Marxist state today, gone tomorrow, money does not buy decent leadership, long term stability for world wide economic opportunity in China, a bet on Marxism, very risky, i wonder if the same people smart enough to mover our industry and economy to China got a TARP bailout.

As long as we lose industry, force industry to leave the USA we will be weak, as long as we have cheap, weak green energy, we will be weak and at the mercy of China, everything we buy is made in China, China is building dozens of Nuclear reactors, according, our politicians are mandating we buy solar panels and wind mills from China, imagine needed large amounts of electricity and China is unable to build or Solar panels or unwilling.

China is only a threat as long as we allow our industry to continue to disappear. We are fortunate, we have a system of government that can change course quickly.

Its time to stop taxing corporations, its time we rebuild the basic infrastructure that creates economic opportunity for everyone, we need to bring back our heavy industry.

We cannot even produce a head for a Nuclear reactor, we cannot make train engines, we cannot make heat exchangers or steam generators.

We dont make computers or cameras.

We dont make clothes, relatively speaking.

At this point, liberal or conservative, we are in trouble, we dont just need to freeze and shrink government, we need to bring all industry and manufacturing of everything back within our borders.

I really dont care what China and the rest of the world does, that is as long as we are the best we can be, that means everything is the best here in the USA, from the clothes we make to advances in medicine.

China is not relevant, China only hurts us if we continue to allow the liberals, democrats, and republicans to destroy us.

 

[ekrem]

(...)
China is not relevant
(...)

Yeah, whatever.

 

[mdn2000]

(...)
China is not relevant
(...)

Yeah, whatever.

You make them relevant, I heard the same "sky is falling" alarm years ago about the Japanese.

 

[ekrem]

You make them relevant, I heard the same "sky is falling" alarm years ago about the Japanese.

Japan has a significant lower Population then USA or CHINA.
The productivity per person in Japan can never reach levels for Japan as a whole to out-power USA.
Simple equitation of population size and productivity per citizen.

If China has 4 times the population size then USA, then 25% per Chinese citizen productivity to US standard will be enough to match the power of USA.
It is general rule, further rules are fiscal balance etc. in which the Chinese State is anyway better then USA.
China is a colossus.

It tells a lot about you in comprehensive thinking that you bring-up Japanese issue.

 

[ekrem]

Cultural event brings Turks closer to China

The Year of China in Turkey and the Year of Turkey in China will be held in 2012 and 2013 respectively.
These activities are all part of the strategic cooperative relations China and Turkey decided to develop.

xinhuanet.com -Cultural event brings Turks closer to China

 

[ekrem]

( military subject)
CNN Turk :

Chinese and Turkish mountain commandos will train for a week in Turkey.
Chinese participate in seminars at Egirdir Mountain Commando School for exchanging tactics.
After that, both forces will hold exercise together.

Türk-Çin ordular? ortak e?itimde... CNNTurk.com

 

[mdn2000]

You make them relevant, I heard the same "sky is falling" alarm years ago about the Japanese.

Japan has a significant lower Population then USA or CHINA.
The productivity per person in Japan can never reach levels for Japan as a whole to out-power USA.
Simple equitation of population size and productivity per citizen.

If China has 4 times the population size then USA, then 25% per Chinese citizen productivity to US standard will be enough to match the power of USA.
It is general rule, further rules are fiscal balance etc. in which the Chinese State is anyway better then USA.
China is a colossus.

It tells a lot about you in comprehensive thinking that you bring-up Japanese issue.

It shows more about your lack of knowledge of history, first I did not bring up a "Japanese issue", I simply stated the alarmist view of Japan and compared it to the alarmist view of China.

China has a long way to go to compete with the USA, they got to make a potato peeler that does not break first, hell if they cant make a decent potato peeler I am not afraid of there military or supposed economic might.

The world will have to enjoy the longest period of peace before we even begin to worry about China being anything other than a Marxist state soon to collapse.

 

[ekrem]

( military subject)
CNN Turk :

Chinese and Turkish mountain commandos will train for a week in Turkey.
Chinese participate in seminars at Egirdir Mountain Commando School for exchanging tactics.
After that, both forces will hold exercise together.

Türk-Çin ordular? ortak e?itimde... CNNTurk.com

Another high-circulating source confirming the exercise:
Çin?le ortak e?itim tatbikat? - Milliyet.com.tr

Mr. China, next we expect joint Naval exercise.

 

[HinduPatriot]

Turks are a bunch of islamofascist scum who support terrorism against our Israeli allies.

The best strategy is to allow the Turkish terrorists to forumlate ties with China, throw Turkey out of NATO, and then nuke Turkey in response to its terrorism.

God bless USA, Israel and India against the Islamic Terrorist Maniacs and their Chinese Masters.

 

[ekrem]

to allow the Turkish terrorists to forumlate ties with China

Who the fuck are you, to allow anything?
As if anyone would ask you of your opinion.

 

[HinduPatriot]

Turkey is on the rapid path to being thrown out of NATO.

The Islamic Terrorists of Turkey sent a Death Ship to threaten Israel and our Israeli allies rightly shot dead the invading Turkish Terrorists (TTs).

The TTs are now in cooperation with the Chinese enemy.

We must thrown Turkey out of NATO and give Greece the best possible bombs to deal with the Turks.

We must support any military efforts which Cyprus makes to attack and kill the Turkish occupier Islamic Terrorists in the north of Cyprus.

Turkey is likely to have weapons of mass destruction, so we must not hesitate to attack the Muslim terrorists if they threaten our Kurdish allies.

Greece must be given the best bombs to use in the event against the inevitable war against Islamic terrorism Turkey.

God bless USA, Israel, Greece and India in the war against Islamic Terror in places like Afghanistan, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan.