Chicago Mayor - Brandon Johnson pulls an upset?

[JoeB131]

Tell that to the inner city folks to terrified to go out st night, or to the family's of the 609 or so murdered every year, or to the business owners leaving because it is too dangerous, and to impossible to make a living thanks to rampant theft.

Chicago's murder rate is lower than a lot of other cities, and probably on par with some poorer rural communities.

What have any of them accomplished in the last 30-40 years that you are proud of? What have we got from their concensus? Unending War? Annual increases in defense spending?

Quite a lot, actually.

Uh, I want defense spending to be high and the president to take action against our enemies when appropriate. The only thing more laughable than left-wing hippies is the right wing hippies who are now against war because Trump didn't get to start one.

Tax Cuts for the rich?

Kind of hard to ask the rich to give more if government won't even make an effort to live within their means. Balancing the budget is going to require both tax increases and budget cuts... that's what consensus is. Not stamping your feet in the corner like some old College leftist.

Bernie's voice is what has inspired this generation of AOCs and they keep building on their victories with every election.

Yes, without Bernie, AOC would still be stealing tips from the other bartenders.

Progressive policies are the most popular policies in the country.

Really? Which ones?

They might not be among the estsblishment but that's why consenus we can be satisfied with will only come after we primary enough of the do nothing moderates.

Oh, quite the contrary, when either party goes too far to the extreme, that's when they lose.

 

[Independentthinker]

Well, no the people picked Johnson. I personally don't agree with it, but I understand it. Vallas wasn't selling anything that people wanted to hear.


Chicago is a fine city, and certainly better than any inbred shithole in Jesusland.



Well, maybe the problem people had with Lightfoot wasn't what she stood for, but her inability to get it done.

Vallas said, "Let's go back to the way it was under my Buddies Rahm and Richie" and people said no.

I think Lightfoot paid for a lot of resentment people had over Covid as well.



Oh, noes, not "Marxism".

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Crime in Chicago has skyrocketed under Lightfoot. Hell, she even asked Biden for help while turning down Trump for offering help. Even she acknowledges that so why don't you?

 

[JoeB131]

Crime in Chicago has skyrocketed under Lightfoot. Hell, she even asked Biden for help while turning down Trump for offering help. Even she acknowledges that so why don't you?

Crime went up in the whole country thanks to Trump Plague, Trump Recession, and Trump Riots, and you keep wanting m ore of that for some reason.

 

[Curried Goats]

Quite a lot, actually.

Uh, I want defense spending to be high and the president to take action against our enemies when appropriate. The only thing more laughable than left-wing hippies is the right wing hippies who are now against war because Trump didn't get to start one.

Our defense spending is ridiculously high compared to any other nation and for all that money our veterans still lack adequate care from the trauma we inflict on them through unnecessary war. We are not a nation under threat. We don't have to act like constantly preparing for violence is more important than caring for our own people.

Kind of hard to ask the rich to give more if government won't even make an effort to live within their means. Balancing the budget is going to require both tax increases and budget cuts... that's what consensus is. Not stamping your feet in the corner like some old College leftist.

We had a balanced budget before endless wars and tax cuts for the rich. In fact we had a surplus. And no, it's not hard to ask the rich to pay more.

Yes, without Bernie, AOC would still be stealing tips from the other bartenders.

Really? Which ones?

Medicare for All polls at 55%

Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour polls at 62%

Paid family leave polls at over 80%

Free tution to public college polls at over 60%

Raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations polls between 60% to 70%

Oh, quite the contrary, when either party goes too far to the extreme, that's when they lose.

The democratic party lost over a thousand seats in State and Federal office during Obama and Pelosi's reign and there has never been a candidate in this era as extreme as Trump and he won the first election and nearly won the second despite being blatantly corrupt and inept on live tv for four straight years.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Chicago has a lot of professionals in business, law , medicine who are highly educated and successful
Yet they all vote the same

More proof of educational grooming.

 

[EMH]

The only thing wrong was a bunch of puritans with sticks up their asses imposed a moralistic policy that most people didn't really agree with.

It only took 15 years to realize what a big fucking mistake prohibition was....

And then your heroes in BIG GOVERNMENT cooked up some BS called "Reefer Madness" and billed the taxpayer for it, and the bureaucracy lived on to spread lies about reefer, and then enforce bullshit laws and stamp requirements...

BIG GOVERNMENT cooks up fraud as a "reason" to steal money from us. Maybe someday you will exceed an IQ of 10 and comprehend that....

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

No, they just realized that elected old white machine politicians like Vallas, Rahm and Richie Daley doesn't make things better for most of them.

Vallas threatened to "Unleash the police" to fight crime, and a lot of Chicagoans remember that resulted in "Driving while Black" and kids being shot 16 times and said "Um, no thanks."

So to prove your point you elected old white machine politician Finger Rapist *Joe.

 

[EMH]

Nope he dead.

Dead, but definitely still laughing....

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Somehow Republicans can't figure out that that no one is buying their racism, misogyny and anti-American agenda.

Chicago voters have been buying that fallacy for over sixty years. We all see the results on a daily basis.

 

[Independentthinker]

Crime went up in the whole country thanks to Trump Plague, Trump Recession, and Trump Riots, and you keep wanting m ore of that for some reason.

The plague didn't cause the crime, stupid liberal/progressive policies did.

 

[lennypartiv]

Brandon Johnson wins Chicago mayor election; Paul Vallas concedes

Brandon Johnson has defeated Paul Vallas to become the next mayor of Chicago, the Associated Press has declared. In an extremely close race, Johnson, a Cook County commissioner and Chicago Teachers…

www.chicagotribune.com

The white hating , anti police and cop hating POS is the new mayor

Too bad it's too late to drive all the minorities out of America.

 

[Quasar44]

Too bad it's too late to drive all the minorities out of America.

The new mayor just said he wants more illegals in Chicago and all to vote

 

[westwall]

Crime went up in the whole country thanks to Trump Plague, Trump Recession, and Trump Riots, and you keep wanting m ore of that for some reason.

That was the demofascist plague, numbnuts.

 

[Quasar44]

To be honest: I utterly thrive on seeing mass chaos and death in all the mega leftist cities

 

[JoeB131]

Before I go slapping the RW Extremists around, have to slap a little sense into a LW extremist.

Our defense spending is ridiculously high compared to any other nation and for all that money our veterans still lack adequate care from the trauma we inflict on them through unnecessary war. We are not a nation under threat. We don't have to act like constantly preparing for violence is more important than caring for our own people.

Two points here. The first is that no, we really aren't spending what we need on defense, compared to what we spent during the Cold War. We don't have the resources to fight a war against China or Russia, if we had to. Aggressors only move when they sense weakness. This is the lesson we should have taken away from WWII.

As for Veteran spending, here's the problem with that. I'm eligible for veteran benefits. I shouldn't be. Sure, I served 11 years, but I never got anywhere near a testy foreigner. We spend 325 BILLION on Veteran's Affairs. This is another area where we need to spend smart, not high.

We had a balanced budget before endless wars and tax cuts for the rich. In fact we had a surplus. And no, it's not hard to ask the rich to pay more.

We had a balanced budget because Newt forced Slick Willy to agree to spending cuts and welfare reform (and were lucky enough to have a tech boom.) Some conservatives argue it was the capital gains tax cuts the GOP insisted on as part of the Contract with America that spurred the economic growth.

But, yes, when we went to war, we should have had tax increases, not cuts.

The democratic party lost over a thousand seats in State and Federal office during Obama and Pelosi's reign and there has never been a candidate in this era as extreme as Trump and he won the first election and nearly won the second despite being blatantly corrupt and inept on live tv for four straight years.

This is a facetious claim. The out of power part ALWAYS gains seats. This was true of Trump, it was true of Obama, it was true of Bush, it was true of Clinton. Americans love to hedge their bets.

As for Trump "nearly winning" in 2020, the problem is the incumbent always has a huge advantage. The Devil you know is always preferred. This will probably help Biden if he runs again.

Where I think a lot of Republicans and Democrats get wrong about Trump is that he reflects a society that wants to see someone burn it down because they watch decades of gridlock. So let's put in a political arsonist. It's counterproductive.

Medicare for All polls at 55%

Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour polls at 62%

Paid family leave polls at over 80%

Free tution to public college polls at over 60%

Raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations polls between 60% to 70%

All those things poll well until you ask people to pay for them. Ask "Are you willing to pay an income tax rate of 50% to pay for _______?" and see if those numbers go down.

Someone should have explained to Bernie and AOC at an early age that Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money.

Now, what made Lightfoot a failure is that she was unable to solve the fiscal problems of Chicago, especially in the light of Covid slashing revenues. I'm not seeing anything that Johnson is proposing working much better. I also question how effective he is going to be with a city council of people who aren't his flavor of crazy.

The only hope I have is that the guy seems to be an effective retail politician. He was outspent by Vallas 2-1, yet was able to turn a 14 point deficit into a 3 point advantage by winning over supporters of his rivals.

 

[JoeB131]

And then your heroes in BIG GOVERNMENT cooked up some BS called "Reefer Madness" and billed the taxpayer for it, and the bureaucracy lived on to spread lies about reefer, and then enforce bullshit laws and stamp requirements...

BIG GOVERNMENT cooks up fraud as a "reason" to steal money from us.

Someone call engineering, the EMH is malfunctioning again.

Actually, the same moralists who insisted on prohibition gave us the war on drugs. Because people just don't learn.

The plague didn't cause the crime, stupid liberal/progressive policies did.

Nope. Trump Plague caused people to lose their jobs and have a much higher anxiety level.
Trump recession made a lot of people already living on the fringes desperate.
Trump Riots happened because instead of pushing for Police Reforms like Obama did, Trump encouraged police misconduct.

 

[22lcidw]

Chicago's murder rate is lower than a lot of other cities, and probably on par with some poorer rural communities.



Quite a lot, actually.

Uh, I want defense spending to be high and the president to take action against our enemies when appropriate. The only thing more laughable than left-wing hippies is the right wing hippies who are now against war because Trump didn't get to start one.


Kind of hard to ask the rich to give more if government won't even make an effort to live within their means. Balancing the budget is going to require both tax increases and budget cuts... that's what consensus is. Not stamping your feet in the corner like some old College leftist.


Yes, without Bernie, AOC would still be stealing tips from the other bartenders.

Really? Which ones?


Oh, quite the contrary, when either party goes too far to the extreme, that's when they lose.

This is what you wanted Joe. It is not working out and the criminal codes still exist and those who pay for things still charged for it. The cities are slowly dying and have for decades. Manipulating resources to pay off all they legislated themselves to give to. Winning elections with the architects of fear in charge and getting their cut before it makes it to the little people.

 

[JoeB131]

This is what you wanted Joe. It is not working out and the criminal codes still exist and those who pay for things still charged for it. The cities are slowly dying and have for decades. Manipulating resources to pay off all they legislated themselves to give to. Winning elections with the architects of fear in charge and getting their cut before it makes it to the little people.

Not what I wanted. I wanted sensible police reforms before it came to riots.

Sadly, we didn't get that, and Black people got tired of asking nicely.

 

[Curried Goats]

Before I go slapping the RW Extremists around, have to slap a little sense into a LW extremist.

Two points here. The first is that no, we really aren't spending what we need on defense, compared to what we spent during the Cold War. We don't have the resources to fight a war against China or Russia, if we had to. Aggressors only move when they sense weakness. This is the lesson we should have taken away from WWII.

Who says I agree with the premise that we need to be spending as much as we did in the cold war?

As for Veteran spending, here's the problem with that. I'm eligible for veteran benefits. I shouldn't be. Sure, I served 11 years, but I never got anywhere near a testy foreigner. We spend 325 BILLION on Veteran's Affairs. This is another area where we need to spend smart, not high.

We should have universal Healthcare in this country but we should absolutely, at a minimum, cover healthcare costs for our veterans.

We had a balanced budget because Newt forced Slick Willy to agree to spending cuts and welfare reform (and were lucky enough to have a tech boom.) Some conservatives argue it was the capital gains tax cuts the GOP insisted on as part of the Contract with America that spurred the economic growth.

But, yes, when we went to war, we should have had tax increases, not cuts.

And we can also have a balanced budget with tax increases for the wealthy and corporations and a decrease in defense spending.

This is a facetious claim. The out of power part ALWAYS gains seats. This was true of Trump, it was true of Obama, it was true of Bush, it was true of Clinton. Americans love to hedge their bets.

So now it has nothing to do with being too extreme, they lost a 1,000 seats around the country because they were in power and thats supposed to happen.

As for Trump "nearly winning" in 2020, the problem is the incumbent always has a huge advantage. The Devil you know is always preferred. This will probably help Biden if he runs again.

Trump didn't become extreme during his first term, he was extreme before he even ran. He was the guy swearing he had investigators down in Hawaii with proof that Obama was a secret Kenyan muslim.

Where I think a lot of Republicans and Democrats get wrong about Trump is that he reflects a society that wants to see someone burn it down because they watch decades of gridlock. So let's put in a political arsonist. It's counterproductive.

Those ignorant fucks (the voters) have no coherent ideology other than racism and bigotry. They cry all the time about globalist while tossing salad for corporations who operate.... globally. They're totally fucking clueless.

All those things poll well until you ask people to pay for them. Ask "Are you willing to pay an income tax rate of 50% to pay for _______?" and see if those numbers go down.

Why would we even ask them this question? Just because? For shits and giggles?

Someone should have explained to Bernie and AOC at an early age that Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money.

Nevermind the countries that have Universal Healthcare, pay less for it than we do in our healthcare system and with better results.

Now, what made Lightfoot a failure is that she was unable to solve the fiscal problems of Chicago, especially in the light of Covid slashing revenues. I'm not seeing anything that Johnson is proposing working much better. I also question how effective he is going to be with a city council of people who aren't his flavor of crazy.

He's proposing raising taxes on businesses and I suppose we'll see. That's the beauty of Democracy.

The only hope I have is that the guy seems to be an effective retail politician. He was outspent by Vallas 2-1, yet was able to turn a 14 point deficit into a 3 point advantage by winning over supporters of his rivals.

Because progressive policies are popular.

 

[Kondor3]

Well, in the Chicago race, it looks like Brandon Johnson has beaten Paul Vallas.

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Paul Vallas was supported by the Democratic Establishment, and particularly the Fraternal Order of Police.
Brandon Johnson was supported by Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, and the Chicago Teacher's Union.


I have mixed feelings. While I don't personally reside in Chicago proper, what happens in Chicago effects me in a number of ways.

If I could have voted, I'd have voted for Vallas. Neither choice was a good one, from my viewpoint. Vallas had more executive experience.

Far too many racist Blacks voting for somebody who looks like them... one of several detrimental long-term effects of the Great Migration... pity.

Chicago used to be a wonderful and vibrant and safe city... but it hasn't been that way for decades... as White Flight to the Suburbs ran its course.

As it is now, Chicago is nearly as much a drain on the resources of the rest of the State, keeping what's left of Chicago propped-up, as it is a resource itself.

White Folk out in the Burbs and Collar Counties have long-since given up on salvaging the Poor Old City and many figure that it will implode and collapse.

They're probably right.

It's what happens when the Barbarians get through the gates, and end-up taking-over.

The present condition of the City and its future prospects tell us all we need to know of the accuracy of such thinking.