Chemotherapy may spread cancer and trigger more aggressive tumors, warns scientist

[gipper]

I'm not going to claim that chemotherapy is a cure-all for cancer, but what about those who have been helped through the treatment?

If you think chemo CURES people of cancer, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[badger2]

In the report for TMEM in this thread, the mention of doxorubicin links to a compound with branched-chain amino acid moieties in its construction: Compound 11358 N-l-Leucyldoxorubicin and a methylvaleramido moiety. Branched chain amino acids are leucine, isoleucine and valine, and all three occur in a physiological signature in the Australian Aboriginal tree, Codonocarpus. Thus, it is possible to trace chemotherapeutic agents back to phytochemistry.

 

[badger2]

In the cancer cuires thread we have already touched on the concept of permeability.
In the TMEM report, more chemo (rebastinib) blocked chemotherapy-driven metastasis:

'....we first investigated the effects of rebastinib, a TIE2 inhibitor, on TMEM assembly. vascular permeability, and CTCs in the PyMT and HT17 PDX mammary tumor models used in our studies. TIE2 inhibition successfully blocks the function, but not the assembly of TMEM sites, which is sufficient to suppress cancer cell dissemination....TIE2 inhibition blocks chemotherapy-driven, TMEM-mediated vascular permeability and cancer cell dissemination.'

 

[RodISHI]

They probably have a cure for 15 different types of cancer anyways.

Merely doing nothing after a cancer diagnosis, is probably a better solution than chemo.

it makes one wonder if that couldn't be more true.

As it's being said cannabis heals many cancers, so does changing your diet. Cancer is caused by FUNGUS many of them are.

A number of doctors have had success curing cancer, over the years. Of course, they were blackballed by the establishment.

In the late 80s I worked with a Greek guy who was diagnosed with melanoma. He was in his early 40s. The "doctors" wanted to hit him hard with chemo for many weeks. They said he had less than six months to live. However he had witnessed his father's death from cancer(chemo) and told them to fuck off. Pretty brave stuff back then. He did die of cancer, but nearly ten years later.

I wonder how many have died from chemo rather than cancer.

My dad was a thirty year cancer survivor. His first doc was a creep in it for return customers type surgeon caring less about the patient. His second doctor which was obtained 18 months after the first one screwed things up did surgery and told dad 'cut it out and that it'. After surgery grandma Jane put him on a six month cleaning/immune building diet. Thirty years later he would have lived another fifteen or twenty but he got stubborn and went to a doctor that put him on fifteen different meds verses taking the time to rebuild his immune system through the natural. By the time he called me he was bleeding internally and the doctors couldn't stop the bleeding. He asked me to fly out to say goodbye when they told him he had six to ten days more before he fully bled out. On the way back to his house from the hospital (we were supposed to make him comfy while he slowly bled to death) he told me, "Sis, I'm not ready to die I need a way to stop the bleeding. Maybe laser surgery". After getting to their place he asked me to find something. I explained to him that as deteriorated as things had gotten laser surgery wasn't an option but we could try herbs. I had noticed plants on the way to his house that do not grow here in the Midwest and those struck me but I did not understand why until searching into what could be used to stop the bleeding. When I found what would stop the bleeding I learned it was those plants that had struck my attention on the way home. I started calling old friends to see if anyone had some growing at their places. Some friends of friends had the plant. We made teas and the bleeding stopped. He gained another year. Today I believe he could have had possibly even more time if he would have listened and gotten absolutely clean water, quit eating sugary crap and started eating foods that would help his body get what it needed to regenerate cells. Between the meds, tainted water and lack of good sustenance in the food everything was weakened. His skin was so thin anything would make him bleed. His internal organs that had been bleeding were obviously in as bad as shape as his skin. He determined for himself that many of the meds his doctor had told him he would die if he didn't take them were not needed and he weaned himself off of many of them.

All of us have witnessed the ravages of cancer and establishment treatment methods. I have lost several loved ones to cancer/chemo, including my sister at the ripe old age of 35.

However one person chemo did not take was my mother inlaw, though the establishment did all it could to kill her. She was diagnosed with colon cancer in her early 60s. Had a section of colon surgically removed. They then said chemo once a week for 52 weeks to "kill the cancer." Of course, this treatment method would have killed the patient in short order and they would have claimed she died of cancer.

After a few treatments, she looked like death warmed over and felt like it. She told them no more, but they insisted. My wife had to tell the oncologist to stop contacting her mom or they would sue the bastard. My mother in law improved and beat cancer all on her own. She lived to the age of 84, before dying of complications from a stroke.

Rod's mom had lung cancer which had also invaded into the heart muscle. I believe she would have been fine after surgery but the radiation treatments burnt her so badly from the inside to exhibit it outwards she couldn't recover from that. She lived for another few years but the radiologist had damaged the heart so badly her heart finally gave out.

A neighbor of a family member had breast cancer and she was only in her thirties. They treated her with taxol and that apparently worked but she was still going in for taxol treatments three years later. I don't know how long she had to stay on those treatments as I didn't keep in touch with her.

 

[Montrovant]

I'm not going to claim that chemotherapy is a cure-all for cancer, but what about those who have been helped through the treatment?

If you think chemo CURES people of cancer, you are sadly mistaken.

Did you have a problem with my statement that chemotherapy is NOT a cure-all for cancer? I'm just pointing out that chemotherapy has helped people treat their cancer, and I'm wondering if those who are talking about chemotherapy like it does no good are saying no one has been helped by the treatment.

 

[badger2]

In the cancer cures thread, you mentioned a permeability agent to which we responded. That is the chemistry involved with TMEM and paclitaxel in this thread. Permeability chemistry is why Russian milfoil (yarrow) worked against hemorrhage in 1956, some of these are sclerosing agents. We would go back to taxol and compare the changes to the basic skeleton, also for docetaxel.

 

[badger2]

This is why Valerian links to the destruction of basal cell carcinoma as we have shown on the cancer cures thread: you first link rebastinib to indirubin.

Wiki: Indirubin
Indirubin - Wikipedia
'....indoxyl sulfate....purple urine bag syndrome....'

Rebastinib / Indirubin / CDK16
Structure and inhibitor specificity of the PCTAIRE-family kinase CDK16. - PubMed - NCBI

Valerian / Pink Urine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmned/25233954

 

[gipper]

I'm not going to claim that chemotherapy is a cure-all for cancer, but what about those who have been helped through the treatment?

If you think chemo CURES people of cancer, you are sadly mistaken.

Did you have a problem with my statement that chemotherapy is NOT a cure-all for cancer? I'm just pointing out that chemotherapy has helped people treat their cancer, and I'm wondering if those who are talking about chemotherapy like it does no good are saying no one has been helped by the treatment.

I dispute your position. There is no way to know if the chemo helped anyone. Could be their immune system beat the cancer and not chemo. Plus, we can't believe anything the medical establishment claims. Why would you believe a group of people who have proven themselves greedy corrupt bastards, who have murdered thousands if not millions of people?

 

[Montrovant]

I'm not going to claim that chemotherapy is a cure-all for cancer, but what about those who have been helped through the treatment?

If you think chemo CURES people of cancer, you are sadly mistaken.

Did you have a problem with my statement that chemotherapy is NOT a cure-all for cancer? I'm just pointing out that chemotherapy has helped people treat their cancer, and I'm wondering if those who are talking about chemotherapy like it does no good are saying no one has been helped by the treatment.

I dispute your position. There is no way to know if the chemo helped anyone. Could be their immune system beat the cancer and not chemo. Plus, we can't believe anything the medical establishment claims. Why would you believe a group of people who have proven themselves greedy corrupt bastards, who have murdered thousands if not millions of people?

"There is no way to know if the chemo helped anyone?" Do you take this stance on all medicine, or just chemotherapy? Are you saying all medical testing is bunk?

To put it another way, let's say I get sick with a bacterial STD. A doctor prescribes an antibiotic treatment, and the STD goes away. Would you say there is no way to know if the antibiotics helped, it could be their immune system beat the STD?

 

[badger2]

No reports for rebastinib and CRISPR/Cas9? Why not?

Ponatinib / CRISPR/Cas9
FGF19/FGFR4 signaling contributes to the resistance of hepatocellular carcinoma to sorafenib. - PubMed - NCBI

Ponatinib / Rebastinib
BCR-ABL1 compound mutations combining key kinase domain positions confer clinical resistance to ponatinib in Ph chromosome-positive leukemia. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[gipper]

I'm not going to claim that chemotherapy is a cure-all for cancer, but what about those who have been helped through the treatment?

If you think chemo CURES people of cancer, you are sadly mistaken.

Did you have a problem with my statement that chemotherapy is NOT a cure-all for cancer? I'm just pointing out that chemotherapy has helped people treat their cancer, and I'm wondering if those who are talking about chemotherapy like it does no good are saying no one has been helped by the treatment.

I dispute your position. There is no way to know if the chemo helped anyone. Could be their immune system beat the cancer and not chemo. Plus, we can't believe anything the medical establishment claims. Why would you believe a group of people who have proven themselves greedy corrupt bastards, who have murdered thousands if not millions of people?

"There is no way to know if the chemo helped anyone?" Do you take this stance on all medicine, or just chemotherapy? Are you saying all medical testing is bunk?

To put it another way, let's say I get sick with a bacterial STD. A doctor prescribes an antibiotic treatment, and the STD goes away. Would you say there is no way to know if the antibiotics helped, it could be their immune system beat the STD?

I do not.

Chemo is poison. As such, it is not medicine. It destroys your immune system...how can it be classified as medicine when it destroys your immune system?

How can the use of chemo be considered 'medical testing?' It is not testing anything.

I do not believe there is any way to prove that treating someone with chemo, results in successfully curing one of cancer.

 

[strollingbones]

i beg to differ.....i am alive due to chemo simple as that.....i have been able to keep my bladder due to chemo....i will not deny that i had chemo lite and it was still hell on my body....but 3 years of misery have cause me to be 'cancer free' for now....and no i dont think that will last a lifetime....i see me having more chemo in the future..i have not been put in the hands of an oncologist
however

 

[gipper]

i beg to differ.....i am alive due to chemo simple as that.....i have been able to keep my bladder due to chemo....i will not deny that i had chemo lite and it was still hell on my body....but 3 years of misery have cause me to be 'cancer free' for now....and no i dont think that will last a lifetime....i see me having more chemo in the future..i have not been put in the hands of an oncologist
however

Okay, but logic would dictate that poisoning the body does not cure it.

It is more likely that your immune system and proper nutrition beat the cancer, but how are we to know for sure?

 

[strollingbones]

i dont ....i would will gladly say its many factors...one being getting my blood sugar under control....cancer is diabetes best friend....i am not sure how person i want to get with this ....but here goes....the diabetes came first and the cancer followed quickly....now i have had a simple form of skin cancer for decade or more...removal and thats it....the bladder cancer was blamed on me smoking reds for years....they have done removal and chemo.....the first round of chemo were bcg....and the cancer kept reoccurring then the bcg shortage hit...there are only two makers ...i was luckier than most .i was not half way thru a session....and i got slammed onto a euro drug...which was cheaper and worked....but yes along the way diet did change....and i am sure my auto immure is working much better.....i will have to look up the 2nd drug....my point being ...the bcg was not working...after the first tumor with bcg i had a total of 14 more....
1 occurred by itself ...then i got to watch and listen to the my doctor count 13 in one visit....then the bcg shortage and i got new drug....
no recurrence with new drug....so far....i have to find an eob for name of 2nd drug...when you have cancer you mount up for the battle.....i did everything my doc said to do...expect quitting the herb....he was good with that as long as i didnt take up smoking ciggies again...your options with cancer become more limited as the cancer advances....i think you should do everything....chemo and natural that you can handle....yes there is no money in curing cancer but billions are made on treatments....i still think you do everything......its funny as hard as chemo is on the body....the thought of going a year without it...is hard on the mind...i am like a person in jail...i was use to the routine and then suddenly i am told to go be normal for a year....with the warning....any bleeding you call immediately.....now i am just condemned to checking toilet paper after every pee..was that TMI lol

 

[strollingbones]

a friend has had two rounds of chemo and radiation...she is a true survivor from her chemo and radiation....she has had a bone in her hip die...had to remove that and replace it with a bone from her leg....and metal.....her teeth are decaying due to it....last year she had 4 crowns....funny what we obsess over....to live

i guess my point you are right.....chemo is toxins....i understood the way the chemo worked was it attacked any fast growing cells....and i did question that the bladder is an odd organ with lots of blood vessels that heals quickly due to what.....fast growing cells? i got no answer....
i hate to see people discourage or worse hammered for doing chemo
its hard enough without questioning it ....

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Chemotherapy could allow cancer to spread, and trigger more aggressive tumors, a new study suggests. Researchers in the US studied the impact of drugs on patients with breast cancer and found medication increases the chance of cancer cells migrating to other parts of the body, where they are almost always lethal. Around 55,000 women are diagnosed with breast cancer in Britain every year and 11,000 will die from their illness.

Chemotherapy may spread cancer and trigger more aggressive tumors, warn scientists
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A really good Doctor whose not trained in the indoctrinated thinking/ training will often tell you that Chemo does nothing but kill healthy cells, and damages the healthy tissue creating more damage.

WHY EXPECT ANSWERS FROM ONCOLOGISTS, WHO HAVE FAILED FOR DECADES?

A tumor is a colony of similar cells; that's why it acts like a herd and stampedes elsewhere when attacked. It is actually a separate lifeform comprising dormant DNA becoming activated and reproducing rapidly, just like stem cells do.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They do have cure, but as mentioned above it's money first and it's a multi billion dollar industry. They could let all that good money making go to waste, I mean why keep ppl healthy they would lose billions. Keeping them ill is much better.

No different than the car that can go 300 miles on g.d. water, but gawd forbid allowing that why those stocks in gas and oil would tank and there too billions would be lost in that billion dollar industry called make me money off those stocks LOL

DEATH BY DEGREES

You're being misled into an explanation that draws you away from the fact that the childish lifestyle of oncology students stunts their mental growth. Saying that those escapist nerds have secretly come up with a cure reaffirms the educationists' lie that our system of indentured-servitude education produces geniuses. If college students aren't paid a high salary, they aren't worth anything and nothing should be expected from them.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'm not going to claim that chemotherapy is a cure-all for cancer, but what about those who have been helped through the treatment?

"YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE" SCHEME

Big Pharma salesmen are the only ones who have been helped by this slash-and-burn cure.

 

[MindWars]

They do have cure, but as mentioned above it's money first and it's a multi billion dollar industry. They could let all that good money making go to waste, I mean why keep ppl healthy they would lose billions. Keeping them ill is much better.

No different than the car that can go 300 miles on g.d. water, but gawd forbid allowing that why those stocks in gas and oil would tank and there too billions would be lost in that billion dollar industry called make me money off those stocks LOL

DEATH BY DEGREES

You're being misled into an explanation that draws you away from the fact that the childish lifestyle of oncology students stunts their mental growth. Saying that those escapist nerds have secretly come up with a cure reaffirms the educationists' lie that our system of indentured-servitude education produces geniuses. If college students aren't paid a high salary, they aren't worth anything and nothing should be expected from them.

Indoctrination training can last a life time, it is a money making scam. But oh well .

 

[MindWars]

Just like this " March for the cure" maybe people should March for the dam cause instead.