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Hagbard Celine said:Right, man made a "choice." But what I'm saying is that God created the potential for evil to exist by putting the tree there, placing the serpent in the garden to tempt man and giving man curiosity. If he had just left the tree out, there would have never been sin.
And the "free choice" man made could have never been free if God is omnipotent because he would have known that man would disobey him.
Hagbard Celine said:Yeah, I didn't put my dog into the house, I "allowed it to enter." C'mon, that's weak and you know it. Why would God even create the serpent if he didn't intend it to live in the garden with all the other animals?
I agree. But what I'm arguing is that the choices we make only seem free to us because, unlike God, we can't see our own futures. And that since God created everything, it's only logical to assume that "everything" includes "evil" because evil is a part of "everything."manu1959 said:it is all a matter of perspective.....as i see it.....God gave man a world full of choices.....if you were God would you create a place without choices.....would you create a place polulated by perfect things?....you would create a place where there are chioces.....a place where you have taught moral and ethical behaviour standards......man's choices create evil.....you are tempted every day what do you choose.....God created man in his image....God chooses not to be evil.....man is striving to be good and live up to that image.....life is a struggle....the image of God is what we strive for.
Hagbard Celine said:I agree. But what I'm arguing is that the choices we make only seem free to us because, unlike God, we can't see our own futures. And that since God created everything, it's only logical to assume that "everything" includes "evil" because evil is a part of "everything."
Hagbard Celine said:Yeah, I didn't put my dog into the house, I "allowed it to enter." C'mon, that's weak and you know it. Why would God even create the serpent if he didn't intend it to live in the garden with all the other animals?
I've never argued that man shouldn't reap consequences for his actions. That's some trumped-up bullsh*t that the other posters on this board have implied that I'm doing here. All I'm doing is arguing that God created evil. Evil is a part of existence and God created existence. Before God created existence, there was a void. How could anything in existence exist if God did not create it?Said1 said:In that particular scenario, yes. He forbade them to eat from the tree and allowed the snake to enter in order to tempt them into going against his word, thus reaping the consequences. Up that point, they did not know what sin was, they were free from sin. This is an example of consequences resluting from the choices YOU make. Not of God creating all evil so you can decide to obey or not.
Hagbard Celine said:I've never argued that man shouldn't reap consequences for his actions. That's some trumped-up bullsh*t that the other posters on this board have implied that I'm doing here. All I'm doing is arguing that God created evil. Evil is a part of existence and God created existence. Before God created existence, there was a void. How could anything in existence exist if God did not create it?
Hagbard Celine said:I've never argued that man shouldn't reap consequences for his actions. That's some trumped-up bullsh*t that the other posters on this board have implied that I'm doing here. All I'm doing is arguing that God created evil. Evil is a part of existence and God created existence. Before God created existence, there was a void. How could anything in existence exist if God did not create it?
Hagbard Celine said:I agree. But what I'm arguing is that the choices we make only seem free to us because, unlike God, we can't see our own futures. And that since God created everything, it's only logical to assume that "everything" includes "evil" because evil is a part of "everything."
There's an even earlier example of God creating evil than the tree of knowledge! God created Satan! The king of evil!Said1 said:No, it's not weak. The serpant was Satan. God knew he was there in the from of a serpant and that he would try to tempt Adam and Eve into eating from the tree. God had the obvious power to remove him, but didn't. Had he removed Satan (who is supposedly all around us, creating temptation) he would have removed Adam and Eve's power of choice.
God created Satan who creates evil.Said1 said:God allows evil to exist, but doesn't create it.....in all situations. Satan creates evil, it's up to us to follow the word of Satan or God.
Where do you get that God Created Satan?Hagbard Celine said:God created Satan who creates evil.
Hagbard Celine said:God created Satan who creates evil.
Hagbard Celine said:God created Satan who creates evil.
Uh, God created the Angels. Satan was an angel.Kathianne said:Where do you get that God Created Satan?
Same place I do I suppose. If God created "everything" that would include evil and Satan. If not who created Satan?Kathianne said:Where do you get that God Created Satan?
Mr. P said:Same place I do I suppose. If God created "everything" that would include evil and Satan. If not who created Satan?
Hagbard Celine said:Uh, God created the Angels. Satan was an angel.
Wouldn't an omnipotent creator like God know beforehand what decisions his creations would make? Isn't that what omnipotence is all about?manu1959 said:satan was a good angle that made bad choices and was cast out....
