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MissileMan said:60% of your 10 cases, but not 60% of all murders....you can't be this stupid!
archangel said:This was your analogy..a analogy only...I gave you real cases and real percentages...you are starting to bore me with this attempt at logic...you lost me when you started to name call...this is a losers argument(name calling)...go find some better case results and come back with a real argument! :blah2:
MissileMan said:I'll bet you really do find things like logic boring. You seem to think that because you graduated Magnum Fart Loudly, with a BS in BS, from the School of Hard Knocks that you're an expert in everything. I have a newsflash for ya sport. You aren't the only one with "real" world experience. Your childish debating methods and 7th grade writing skills make me wonder if you aren't just some 14 year-old who is pretending to be a former vet/former law-enforcement/former Area 51 alien-crotch-sniffer.
Still bored?
archangel said:Here for a start go to: www.yellodyno.com/html/childabusestatics.html
scroll down: read and weep
ps: if a problem on link go to www.yellodyno.com
click on research and articles then go to #10 statistics click on
Here are just two of quite an array of stats to digest!
1989 report presented for Fed.parliament(RCMP):
1 in 3 girls and 1 in 7 boys under the age of 18 are sexually abused
Diana Russell survey 1978:
1in 3 or 4 girls and 1 in 6 or 8 boys are sexually assaulted by the age of 18
Alot of stats as to the age of offenders and sex which backs up my claim as to males vs females etc...
Now I'm off to get some dinner and watch a little TV...Have a nice night! :coffee3:
archangel said:However in 1985 I was assigned to work Child Porn cases as a Federal Investigator...out of the 500 cases I was assigned from open files...65 % were homosexual males(325)...30% were hetrosexual males(150) the remaining 5%(25) were divided between hetrosexual females and homosexual females...
Taking this into consideration OCA was correct in his assessment based on given ratios... that more homosexual males are involved in pedophilia...
Nope, not this one. About 60% of the male survivors sampled report at least one of their perpetrators to be female.
-Mendel, 1993.
Nope, this doesn't work either. Women outnumber men, so 33% of girls could not be a higher number than 14% of boys. 1-3 Girls and 1-7 Boys under the age of 18 are sexually abused.
-1989 Report presented for Fed. Parliament (RCMP) Jaclyn Mace @ Statistics Canada
Sorry, this doesn't come close to proving your claim either. 3 in 4 child victims of violence were female.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.
MissileMan said:Let's see...according to the paragraph above, you claim that homosexual pedophiles out number heterosexual pedophiles 2 to 1. Which stat from your link is it that backs up this statement? Is it:
Nope, not this one.
How about:
Nope, this doesn't work either. Women outnumber men, so 33% of girls could not be a higher number than 14% of boys.
Maybe the 3rd try will be the charm:
Sorry, this doesn't come close to proving your claim either.
I might have missed it...there were a lot of stats on that page. How about you quote the stat from that page that proves you're right and 66% of pedophiles are homosexual pedophiles?
archangel said:isn't it how conservatives link sites that give a variation of stats...see I play fair... I even gave you a site that is against as well as for what I argued...
There are as many stats relating to more males being sexually abused as there are citing females are more abused...it's just a matter of which site you go to...I used this site because you wanted to name call rather than look for stats to argue against my personal experience...I still stand by my analogy based on cases actually worked...and by the way you have not proved me wrong...as I stated in my original analogy to you... 65% were male homosexuals...you cannot change this fact even though you really want to!
In other words, ya got nothin'. Big Surprise!archangel said:isn't it how conservatives link sites that give a variation of stats...see I play fair... I even gave you a site that is against as well as for what I argued...
archangel said:There are as many stats relating to more males being sexually abused as there are citing females are more abused...
The ClayTaurus said:So, on your micro level, pedophiles were more likely homosexual males, but on a macro level, there really is no consensus one way or the other, is this what you're saying?
That would seem reasonable to me...
archangel said:thank God someone finally got it...stats can be adjusted to match the writers opinion...however real life experience is the ultimate judge of such matters...
as it pertains to the argument at hand! :halo:
MissileMan said:In other words, ya got nothin'. Big Surprise!
QUOTE ONE!!!
The ClayTaurus said:True, however the previous point that your micro experience doesn't speak for the macro situation is still valid.
I respect the statistics you've personally gathered, but I don't think it's fair to extrapolate them for the entire country.
At least you've given a source for others to investigate, and admit that your experiences don't necesarrily imply that's how it is everywhere.
archangel said:this whole conversation in here was on the micro level...I do not believe anyone in here can speak on any subject for the entire nation or for that matter the world! I love to debate...but become irritated when some resort to name calling rather than investigate and debate...
The ClayTaurus said:arch, out of curiousity, what's your occupational history?
You seem to be pretty widely spread. You said earlier you were in the intelligence world, and here you said you were prosecuting child porn... I'm wondering what the occupational connection between porn and Indonesian Islamics is... whatever you do, it must be pretty wide-scoped and interesting.
The ClayTaurus said:and admit that your experiences don't imply that's how it is everywhere.
MissileMan said:Umm, his whole argument has been that 'macro' reality can be extracted from his "micro" experiences...
archangel said:I do not believe anyone in here can speak on any subject for the entire nation or for that matter the world!
MissileMan said:I'll bet you really do find things like logic boring. You seem to think that because you graduated Magnum Fart Loudly, with a BS in BS, from the School of Hard Knocks that you're an expert in everything. I have a newsflash for ya sport. You aren't the only one with "real" world experience. Your childish debating methods and 7th grade writing skills make me wonder if you aren't just some 14 year-old who is pretending to be a former vet/former law-enforcement/former Area 51 alien-crotch-sniffer.
Still bored?
OCA said:Missle this childish post confirms that you are losing the debate.
The logic is simple: if you have 30 percent of a small population committing a certain act and 30 percent of a large population committing an act then the chances are greater of it happening in the small population because to make it equal it would have to be a much larger percentage in the large poulation. Clearly pedophilia from all accounts happens much more frequently in the homosexual lifestyle choice perversion community.
The ClayTaurus said:Whoa that doesn't make sense. Can you use hard numbers for me?
OCA said:Not my problem you lack basic stastistics, go take a class.
