Canadian Customs In Action

[Merlin1047]

It's the answer, it's not the answer you like, but it is the answer

Nope, it's a reason, it's not an answer. But if you're happy with it, it's your country and I guess that's all that matters.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Nope, it's a reason, it's not an answer. But if you're happy with it, it's your country and I guess that's all that matters.

Well I don't know what you're looking for in an answer, other than perspective. So fair enough, that's my "reason".

 

[MrMarbles]

Nope, it's a reason, it's not an answer. But if you're happy with it, it's your country and I guess that's all that matters.

What type of 'answer' are you looking for? The reason we have this law is to protect us. If you don't like, tough, don't come on over then.

 

[Merlin1047]

What type of 'answer' are you looking for? The reason we have this law is to protect us. If you don't like, tough, don't come on over then.

Sounds like a good idea to me. Let me know if you ever come south. I think I may be able to arrange an "escort" of state troopers for you.


P.S. Bring bail money - you'll need it.

 

[MrMarbles]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Let me know if you ever come south. I think I may be able to arrange an "escort" of state troopers for you.


P.S. Bring bail money - you'll need it.

Shucks, i missed out, i was just there a month ago.

 

[theim]

It's the answer, it's not the answer you like, but it is the answer

Your country allows your privacy to be superceded in the name of security. Why do you let privacy be interfered with by the government? You couldn't get away with the privacy breaches in the Patriot Act in Canada. Does that mean its wrong, maybe in Canada, but that's how you choose to keep yourself secure, so be it. Who am I to judge.

Canada is a multicultural country. If we allowed hate speach to incite various groups against eachother, our country's stability would shot. I recall Germany did the same thing after the war and it has worked as well. It's a small price to pay for my family, neighbours and my own security.

If not allowing a few biggots to incite the masses is the price I pay, I'll pay it double anyday. Plus, our constitution (Charter of Rights and Freedoms) can be changed democratically with due process, if for some reason, some day Canada decides we want people preaching hate to the masses. I hope that day never comes.

Firstly, the Patriot Act is not a gross invasion of privacy. No governemtnt G-man can just barge into your home anytime he wishes.

The USA is a multi-cultural country. We have free speech, all kinds are perfectly legal. Our nation has not become destabilized in any way.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Firstly, the Patriot Act is not a gross invasion of privacy. No governemtnt G-man can just barge into your home anytime he wishes.

The USA is a multi-cultural country. We have free speech, all kinds are perfectly legal. Our nation has not become destabilized in any way.

I'm not terribly sure if all our citizens would agree about your assessment of the Patriot act. Though from what I gather from you, you are saying that only a small portion of the American population have to fear the "G-man" invading their privacy and I think that's fair. However, only a small portion of Canadians have to worry about no be able to preach hate. So the same is true on both sides of the borders.

 

[MrMarbles]

Firstly, the Patriot Act is not a gross invasion of privacy. No governemtnt G-man can just barge into your home anytime he wishes.

And it's the same with our hate laws. No G-man is going to bust down me door and arrest me for reading the Saturday comics. They are laws that restrict our rights in order to protect us. Like the law against murder. You guys do have laws against murder, right?

 

[Isaac Brock]

And it's the same with our hate laws. No G-man is going to bust down me door and arrest me for reading the Saturday comics. They are laws that restrict our rights in order to protect us. Like the law against murder. You guys do have laws against murder, right?

What about "For Better or for Worse"? That's pretty edgy

 

[theim]

They are laws that restrict our rights in order to protect us.

just ponder that phrase for a second.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Enshrined absolute freedom of speach is not found in Canada. Hate speach is not protected under our consitution, unlike in the States which values free speech no matter what.

If people have a problem with that, well don't come to Canada!

This is censorship. It's disgusting.

 

[Said1]

The article Nato posted was pretty hateful, I guess there are exceptions.

 

[MrMarbles]

This is censorship. It's disgusting.

If you are not out to insight violence, then you have nothing to worry about. Those who wish ill-affects on others are the only ones who should worry, do you worry?

 

[theim]

So Marbles how can you say all that stuff and then go and blast the Patriot Act?

Am I to assume you thinks its A OK for the Government to control what kind of books you are allowed to read but they shouldn't be allowed to check emails and phone conversations of possible terrorists?

 

[Isaac Brock]

I re-iterate.

It's the answer, it's not the answer you like, but it is the answer

Your country allows your privacy to be superceded in the name of security. Why do you let privacy be interfered with by the government? You couldn't get away with the privacy breaches in the Patriot Act in Canada. Does that mean its wrong, maybe in Canada, but that's how you choose to keep yourself secure, so be it. Who am I to judge.

Canada is a multicultural country. If we allowed hate speach to incite various groups against eachother, our country's stability would shot. I recall Germany did the same thing after the war and it has worked as well. It's a small price to pay for my family, neighbours and my own security.

If not allowing a few biggots to incite the masses is the price I pay, I'll pay it double anyday. Plus, our constitution (Charter of Rights and Freedoms) can be changed democratically with due process, if for some reason, some day Canada decides we want people preaching hate to the masses. I hope that day never comes.

May I also point out that free speech in the United States has limitations to its freedom of speech such as the Miller Test when it comes to obscenity (in Canada we do not), using fighting words and matters relating to public safety. These limitations were based on democratic consensus for what appear to be very reasonable principles.

 

[Isaac Brock]

So Marbles how can you say all that stuff and then go and blast the Patriot Act?

Am I to assume you thinks its A OK for the Government to control what kind of books you are allowed to read but they shouldn't be allowed to check emails and phone conversations of possible terrorists?

I think you're missing the point. Myself and assumingly, Marbles aren't blasting the Patriot Act. The point is that Act is based on an ideal which contrevenes your right to privacy in order to provide security. We're not disgreeing with you implementing the law. The US values its security and in these times its a perfectly reasonable ideal. In addition, it was a democratically instituted limitation. Most people won't even notice the limitation.

Sound familar? Well, maybe that's the point.

 

[MrMarbles]

So Marbles how can you say all that stuff and then go and blast the Patriot Act?

Am I to assume you thinks its A OK for the Government to control what kind of books you are allowed to read but they shouldn't be allowed to check emails and phone conversations of possible terrorists?

I'm not attacking it, i'm comparing. They are the same thing. Laws design to protect us at the cost of some liberties.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I'm not attacking it, i'm comparing. They are the same thing. Laws design to protect us at the cost of some liberties.

They're not the same thing. One is an attempt at thought control and information hiding. The other is just a monitor of communications.

 

[Isaac Brock]

They're not the same thing. One is an attempt at thought control and information hiding. The other is just a monitor of communications.

Also known as a reasonable restriction of your privacy. They are indeed the same thing

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Also known as a reasonable restriction of your privacy. They are indeed the same thing

No they are not. You are still free to do as you please while being monitored. You can still shoot up, masturbate, sue fast food companies, villainize wal-mart, demonize republicans, whine about the succes of others, inflame envy, sew division, etc.. knock yourself out. You are still free.