Can someone show us where the 14th Amendment negates the 5th Amendment?

[Nostra]

We have people on this board claiming Trump can be found guilty of a crime because the 14th Amendment spells out the punishment for being guilty of insurrection, but doesn't specifically state a person needs to be found guilty in a court of law.

However, the 5th specifically states at the very least one must be indicted by a grand jury AND be given due process. Has Trump been indicted by a grand jury of insurrection? NOPE.

This destroys the Liberal packed Colorado SC ruling.

Amendment V​

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Fifth Amendment

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

We have people on this board claiming Trump can be found guilty of a crime because the 14th Amendment spells out the punishment for being guilty of insurrection, but doesn't specifically state a person needs to be found guilty in a court of law.

However, the 5th specifically states at the very least one must be indicted by a grand jury AND be given due process. Has Trump been indicted by a grand jury of insurrection? NOPE.

This destroys the Liberal packed Colorado SC ruling.

Amendment V​

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Fifth Amendment

www.law.cornell.edu

Because Marxists dont give a rats ass about the constitution, unless they can bludgeon their enemies with it....

 

[Rambunctious]

All of these legal avenues to "Get Trump" lead to dead ends....

 

[Rambunctious]

Its simply election interference all over again....

 

[jknowgood]

I say ole Jake needs to investigated Mueller style!

 

[Harry Dresden]

are they not doing what they accused trump of doing?......interfering in an election?....

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Can someone show us where the 14th Amendment negates the 5th Amendment?

How about you show us where anyone ever claimed it does.

 

[Nostra]

: crickets: from the Trump organized an insurrection crowd.

 

[Orangecat]

All of these legal avenues to "Get Trump" lead to dead ends....

Actually, they lead to a second term as POTUS.

 

[Nostra]

How about you show us where anyone ever claimed it does.

Shit you old hag, there are about a dozen of you Dimlibs claiming there is no need for Trump to be proven criminally guilty of the crime of insurrection for him to be punished for the crime of insurrection.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Its simply election interference all over again....

Yeah, the Marxists(because they are not Democratic) have nothing to run on, other than, Murdering babies in or out of the womb, taxation till poverty, and war everywhere. Marxist hate everyone and everything...

 

[ColonelAngus]

We have to stop DEMOCRACY TO SAVE DEMOCRACY!

Fucking cult.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Shit you old hag, there are about a dozen of you Dimlibs claiming there is no need for Trump to be proven criminally guilty of the crime of insurrection for him to be punished for the crime of insurrection.

Ok. But what does that have to do with your claim in your thread title?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This destroys the Liberal packed Colorado SC ruling.

Wrong.

The right to due process concerns the government seeking to take someone’s life, liberty, or property.

Being disqualified from running for president pursuant to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn’t meet any of the above criteria; consequently, due process doesn’t apply.

Someone who is 28 years old is disqualified from running for president as is a naturalized citizen, neither of which would be entitled to due process – the same is true of someone disqualified due to fomenting a treasonous insurrection, in this case Trump.

 

[Darkwind]

We have people on this board claiming Trump can be found guilty of a crime because the 14th Amendment spells out the punishment for being guilty of insurrection, but doesn't specifically state a person needs to be found guilty in a court of law.

However, the 5th specifically states at the very least one must be indicted by a grand jury AND be given due process. Has Trump been indicted by a grand jury of insurrection? NOPE.

This destroys the Liberal packed Colorado SC ruling.

Amendment V​

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Fifth Amendment

www.law.cornell.edu

What is even more amusing is in the very Amendment they quote, they carefully tip past Section 1.

Fourteenth Amendment​

Fourteenth Amendment Explained

Section 1​

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

To translate for the progressive base:

The presumption of Innocence is in full force and you will need a "Conviction" to enforce Section 3.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The entire Trump term, the lying left said he weaponized the DOJ against his political opponents.

Now that Joe is doing it to Trump….the left IGNORES THE WEAPONIZATION.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

We have people on this board claiming Trump can be found guilty of a crime because the 14th Amendment spells out the punishment for being guilty of insurrection, but doesn't specifically state a person needs to be found guilty in a court of law.

However, the 5th specifically states at the very least one must be indicted by a grand jury AND be given due process. Has Trump been indicted by a grand jury of insurrection? NOPE.

This destroys the Liberal packed Colorado SC ruling.

Amendment V​

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Fifth Amendment

www.law.cornell.edu

Hahahahahaha! Thanks for making my day

 

[IM2]

Trump is getting equal protection and then some.

 

[Nostra]

Wrong.

The right to due process concerns the government seeking to take someone’s life, liberty, or property.

Being disqualified from running for president pursuant to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn’t meet any of the above criteria; consequently, due process doesn’t apply.

Someone who is 28 years old is disqualified from running for president as is a naturalized citizen, neither of which would be entitled to due process – the same is true of someone disqualified due to fomenting a treasonous insurrection, in this case Trump.

You are such a Dumbfuck.

Liberty is the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.[1]


Liberty is a kind of freedom, whether it's freedom from tyranny, freedom from confinement, or simply the freedom of choice.

LIB'ERTY, noun [Latin libertas, from liber, free.]

1. Freedom from restraint, in a general sense, and applicable to the body, or to the will or mind. The body is at liberty when not confined; the will or mind is at liberty when not checked or controlled. A man enjoys liberty when no physical force operates to restrain his actions or volitions.

2. Natural liberty consists in the power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, except from the laws of nature. It is a state of exemption from the control of others, and from positive laws and the institutions of social life. This liberty is abridged by the establishment of government.

3. Civil liberty is the liberty of men in a state of society, or natural liberty so far only abridged and restrained, as is necessary and expedient for the safety and interest of the society, state or nation. A restraint of natural liberty not necessary or expedient for the public, is tyranny or oppression. civil liberty is an exemption from the arbitrary will of others, which exemption is secured by established laws, which restrain every man from injuring or controlling another. Hence the restraints of law are essential to civil liberty.

The liberty of one depends not so much on the removal of all restraint from him, as on the due restraint upon the liberty of others.

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Liberty

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Liberty

webstersdictionary1828.com

 

[Batcat]

We have people on this board claiming Trump can be found guilty of a crime because the 14th Amendment spells out the punishment for being guilty of insurrection, but doesn't specifically state a person needs to be found guilty in a court of law.

However, the 5th specifically states at the very least one must be indicted by a grand jury AND be given due process. Has Trump been indicted by a grand jury of insurrection? NOPE.

This destroys the Liberal packed Colorado SC ruling.

Amendment V​

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Fifth Amendment

www.law.cornell.edu

Plus the Fifth Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights or the first ten amendments to our Constitution. That should put it in a higher category of importance.

Why a Bill of Rights?

“A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against any government on earth, general or particular, and what no government should refuse, or rest on inference.” Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, December 20, 1787 No Need for a Bill of Rights The omission of a bill of rights from the...

www.archives.gov

snip


Why a Bill of Rights?
The First Congress included a preamble to the Bill of Rights to explain why the amendments were needed. Declaring that they were a response to the demand for amendments from the state ratifying conventions, the preamble states that Congress proposed them "to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers" and to extend "the ground of public confidence in the government."