Can someone show me ONE liberal ideal that has actually worked?

[bucs90]

1. Abolition of slavery
2. Womans suffrage
3. Labor laws
4. Civil Rights
5. Environmental protections
6. Gay Rights

#1 was done by the Republican Party, through PRE-EMPTIVE warfare (a BUSH doctrine philosophy BTW)
#2 Woman's suffrage- notice doesn't apply when it's Palin being trashed and mocked as a woman. Where is the left on that one?
#3 Labor Laws led to unions, which are destroying us
#4 Civil Rights- pushed through by Republicans, THROUGH Democrat resistance- read up on the history of that one
#5 Environmental Protections- Global warming is a hoax. Private industry has been the one to clean up, and the EPA regulates. EPA was a Nixon product.
#6 Gay Rights - Gays have every right that every American has except marriage, and if that was a good idea California would've voted it that way but the majority said no

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I know, I know!!!! NAFTA! Oh..oops jobs taken away from Americans...My bad.

Negotiated by George H.W. Bush, and is the expansion of the US-Canada FTA negotiated and signed by Reagan.

-a libertarian...

 

[The T]

Success = failure if it costs a whole lot of tax money (wars excepted). This is the most basic conservative idea there is. It's also the reason they can never hold onto to power for very long. That one idea renders them incapable of serving the demands of the people so they inevitably get tossed out after brief stints in charge. This is why Congress has been dominated by the Democrats for most of the past 80 years.

Really? -YOU- by chance aren't confusing Conservatives with Republican, are you?

Even present Democrats aren't Democrats by their own admission. They are Progressives that have Hijacked the Democrat Party.

I totally geddit that you are a reactionary. Most Republicans really are conservative. Deal with it. Reactionaries like to say they're the only true conservatives but that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

YOU project well. Digested the KoolAid . Good Form.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

environmental Leftists

Hey, you learned something from my posts. Not calling them Librals anymore?

 

[Article 15]

#2 Woman's suffrage- notice doesn't apply when it's Palin being trashed and mocked as a woman. Where is the left on that one?

Do you know what, "woman's suffrage," means?

 

[del]

#2 Woman's suffrage- notice doesn't apply when it's Palin being trashed and mocked as a woman. Where is the left on that one?

Do you know what, "woman's suffrage," means?

it involves whips, don't it?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

•National Parks and monuments -Death Valley, Everglades, Blue Ridge, Boulder Dam, Bull Run, Mount Rushmore, Cape Cod

I always felt that'd be better handled at a smaller scale than the Fed.

•National Endowment for the Arts

Waste of money, IMO. The Fed shouldn't be involved in funding art unless it's a federal project (such as a presidential library).

 

[The T]

I know, I know!!!! NAFTA! Oh..oops jobs taken away from Americans...My bad.

Negotiated by George H.W. Bush, and is the expansion of the US-Canada FTA negotiated and signed by Reagan.

NAFTA was signed by Reagan? Really?


NAFTA signed into law by President Bill Clinton. [12/08/93]

 

[RadiomanATL]

#2 Woman's suffrage- notice doesn't apply when it's Palin being trashed and mocked as a woman. Where is the left on that one?

Do you know what, "woman's suffrage," means?

it involves whips, don't it?

 

[Article 15]

#2 Woman's suffrage- notice doesn't apply when it's Palin being trashed and mocked as a woman. Where is the left on that one?

Do you know what, "woman's suffrage," means?

it involves whips, don't it?

Naturally.

 

[Brubricker]

And have the Unions make contributions to those that YOU may not agree?

Face FACT. Unions are Corporations unto themselves that they decry.

Some union contributions:

40 hour work week
Overtime pay
Minimum wage
Paid Vacation
Safety
Child Labor laws

All things conservatives fought every step of the way.

henry ford, a flaming liberal indeed, pioneered the 40 hour work week.

everything else you claim was enacted by the federal government. feel free to attribute it to unions if it makes you feel better.


good effort, though.

You need to read your history of the labor movement. Unions spent most of the 19th century fighting for the 40 hour work week and they started winning it in some industries 1890s. Henry Ford came late to the party. If he did anything for the blue collar man it was that he offered higher pay than his competition but the 40 hour week was not his doing. It was won by unions before Ford was ever founded. Ford just accepted it.

 

[bucs90]

I'd rather pay my union dues and make what I'm making and work under the conditions I work under than make what my non-union counterparts make for the sake of having my union dues back in my pocket.

And have the Unions make contributions to those that YOU may not agree?

Face FACT. Unions are Corporations unto themselves that they decry.

Some union contributions:

40 hour work week
Overtime pay
Minimum wage
Paid Vacation
Safety
Child Labor laws

All things conservatives fought every step of the way.

You forgot one other union contribution:

Causing the eventual bankruptcy of the company or government they work for, thus causing the promised pensions and benefits of former employees to dry up and lead to an economic crisis when those union members who became so dependent on the union are all-of-a-sudden out on their own. Oops.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

And have the Unions make contributions to those that YOU may not agree?

Face FACT. Unions are Corporations unto themselves that they decry.

Some union contributions:

40 hour work week
Overtime pay
Minimum wage
Paid Vacation
Safety
Child Labor laws

All things conservatives fought every step of the way.

PROVE your assertion. You cannot.

Those who opposed such changes were conservative by definition.


Are you simple?

 

[bucs90]

I know, I know!!!! NAFTA! Oh..oops jobs taken away from Americans...My bad.

Negotiated by George H.W. Bush, and is the expansion of the US-Canada FTA negotiated and signed by Reagan.

NAFTA was signed by Reagan? Really?


NAFTA signed into law by President Bill Clinton. [12/08/93]

WHOOOAAAAA NELLY!!!! Hold on man, don't you know liberals have reserved the right to re-write history to their own liking?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

One Liberal Ideal that has worked?

The United States of America.

Better still after Leftist reform and entering into the socialist stage of socieconomic development.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

One Liberal Ideal that has worked?

The United States of America.

*NOT* in the present Tense of Liberalism as espoused by Jefferson. Modern-Day Conservatives are more aligned with Jefferson than you care to admit...

Modern day Liberalism is more Progressive/Marxist/Socialist.

You do realize that Marxist, Progressive (American Progressivism) and Socialism are different thing, right?

 

[Article 15]

I know, I know!!!! NAFTA! Oh..oops jobs taken away from Americans...My bad.

Negotiated by George H.W. Bush, and is the expansion of the US-Canada FTA negotiated and signed by Reagan.

NAFTA was signed by Reagan? Really?


NAFTA signed into law by President Bill Clinton. [12/08/93]

I believe if you reread his post and do it carefully this time you will see that he didn't say NAFTA was signed by Reagan

 

[☭proletarian☭]

And have the Unions make contributions to those that YOU may not agree?

Face FACT. Unions are Corporations unto themselves that they decry.

Some union contributions:

40 hour work week
Overtime pay
Minimum wage
Paid Vacation
Safety
Child Labor laws

All things conservatives fought every step of the way.

henry ford, a flaming liberal indeed, pioneered the 40 hour work week.

everything else you claim was enacted by the federal government. feel free to attribute it to unions if it makes you feel better.


good effort, though.

That's like saying the members of Congress didn't declare war, the United States did. It was the unions who spearheaded the movement that got such laws passed.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Negotiated by George H.W. Bush, and is the expansion of the US-Canada FTA negotiated and signed by Reagan.

NAFTA was signed by Reagan? Really?


NAFTA signed into law by President Bill Clinton. [12/08/93]

I believe if you reread his post and do it carefully this time you will see that he didn't say NAFTA was signed by Reagan

I'm not sure T can read.

 

[bucs90]

Some union contributions:

40 hour work week
Overtime pay
Minimum wage
Paid Vacation
Safety
Child Labor laws

All things conservatives fought every step of the way.

PROVE your assertion. You cannot.

Those who opposed such changes were conservative by definition.


Are you simple?

All those things basically amounted to what? Getting paid for not being at work. Being guaranteed the right not to "Work too hard" or work more than 40 hours a week in an attempt to out-work the opposition. See how the most competitive fields don't abide by 40 hours work weeks? Because they try to outwork each other, and as a result, all parties end up with a better product.

All those things go along with an overwhelming liberal philosophy: Get paid for work you aren't doing, being entitled to something unearned, not being subject to orders that you need to work harder, and of course, the union makes it nearly impossible to fire someone who sits around and does mediocre work during those 40 hours.

The result? Mediocrity, no worker motivation, aka, THE ENTIRE INEFFICIENT AND LAZY GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE WE SEE NOW.