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The point remains valid.
The point remains valid.
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☭proletarian☭;2200887 said:You mean like the START treaty?I'd say Reagan's foreign policy worked pretty damn good....it ended the Cold War
Eqality under the law is a part of it, but consider this aspect: The president does not rule the American people, he administers the laws that govern the lives of Americans.☭proletarian☭;2200898 said:I'm familiar with it.
If you mean the doctrine that all should be equal before the law- you end up back and Hegel and Locke and the rest of the major liberal philosophers the FF studied and based their views and the Constitution upon.
☭proletarian☭;2200838 said:wow....Yea, TODAY it's conservative, but when it was written, it was wildly liberal.
Prove it.
This, my friends, is why I say our schools are filing us.
Eqality under the law is a part of it, but consider this aspect: The president does not rule the American people, he administers the laws that govern the lives of Americans.☭proletarian☭;2200898 said:I'm familiar with it.
If you mean the doctrine that all should be equal before the law- you end up back and Hegel and Locke and the rest of the major liberal philosophers the FF studied and based their views and the Constitution upon.
☭proletarian☭;2200887 said:You mean like the START treaty?I'd say Reagan's foreign policy worked pretty damn good....it ended the Cold War
No...that came after Reagan. Reagan's persistence and diplomacy along with a great relationship with Margaret Thatcher and the Pope, were the key's to ending the Cold War.
☭proletarian☭;2201013 said:Meh. Not the first typographical error I've ever made.
If you're reduced to attacking me for such things rather than addressing the fact that the FF were self-proclaimed liberals following the footsteps of Locke and that those who opposed the changes (Tories) were conservative by definition, you've effectively conceded the point.
Now there were some liberal concepts that were applied, but I believe most of the FF's would be classified as conservatives by todays standards.
All conservative ideas have worked when implemented.
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Abolition
Women's right to vote
Social Security
Medicare
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each of which has pushed the American Republic another step closer to collapse.
Now there were some liberal concepts that were applied, but I believe most of the FF's would be classified as conservatives by todays standards.
So you are stating that the conservatives of today have the same values as a 1780s politician..
Conservatives embrace the liberal concepts of the past and claim them as their own
Liberal Concepts of the Founding Fathers
- Denouncing royalty
- One man one vote
- Rights of the accused
- Freedom of Speech
- freedom of the Press
All conservative ideas have worked when implemented.
Except the war on drugs and abstinence only education off the top of my head.
Now there were some liberal concepts that were applied, but I believe most of the FF's would be classified as conservatives by todays standards.
So you are stating that the conservatives of today have the same values as a 1780s politician..
Conservatives embrace the liberal concepts of the past and claim them as their own
Liberal Concepts of the Founding Fathers
- Denouncing royalty
- One man one vote
- Rights of the accused
- Freedom of Speech
- freedom of the Press
I'm saying that if the founding fathers were alive today most would be considered conservative.
Limited government.
The belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.
Individual liberty
Individual responsibility
Free enterprise
Fiscal responsibility at all levels of government
Strict interpretation and construction of the Constitution
Traditional family values and marriage
So you are stating that the conservatives of today have the same values as a 1780s politician..
Conservatives embrace the liberal concepts of the past and claim them as their own
Liberal Concepts of the Founding Fathers
- Denouncing royalty
- One man one vote
- Rights of the accused
- Freedom of Speech
- freedom of the Press
I'm saying that if the founding fathers were alive today most would be considered conservative.
Limited government.
The belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.
Individual liberty
Individual responsibility
Free enterprise
Fiscal responsibility at all levels of government
Strict interpretation and construction of the Constitution
Traditional family values and marriage
Perhaps, perhaps not. You have no evidence that politicians of the 1780s could even adapt to our environment socially, culturally, and politically today. Can you imagine Madison, Jefferson, Washington, Mason, Lee and others even attending a Congress in which blacks and indians were members?
All conservative ideas have worked when implemented.
Except the war on drugs and abstinence only education off the top of my head.
Abstinence only does work.
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I'm saying that if the founding fathers were alive today most would be considered conservative.
Limited government.
The belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.
Individual liberty
Individual responsibility
Free enterprise
Fiscal responsibility at all levels of government
Strict interpretation and construction of the Constitution
Traditional family values and marriage
Perhaps, perhaps not. You have no evidence that politicians of the 1780s could even adapt to our environment socially, culturally, and politically today. Can you imagine Madison, Jefferson, Washington, Mason, Lee and others even attending a Congress in which blacks and indians were members?
Yes I could imagine that happening in 2010.