Can someone explain why we can't just give freedom a chance?

[JoeB131]

Why can't the federal government just stick to the constitution? Since when has this become a bad thing? I don't understand...republicans complain, democrats complain, our whole system is just whiners with no real solution...when the solution is right in front of us. That's right. I am talking about the damn United States Constitution. All the rules are in place...but we don't follow them. The federal government grows and grows and grows, seizes power that by design the 10th amendment is supposed to protect, etc. etc. Maybe the reason why the country is declining economically, morally, etc. is because we strayed from our foundation...the foundation of liberty secured primarily by local government.

God help us.

Oh, look everyone, another constitutional fetishist.

I say we set up a special colony for these people. They can live just under the limits of the constitution, but they can't have any technology invented after 1790. If they get sick, no modern medicine for you. We'll just bleed you like they did Geo. Washington. That'll work out well.

The US Constitution is actually pretty awful. A Bi-Cameral legislature, the idiocy of giving Wymonig as many Senators as California, the stupidity of the Electoral College.

We are declining because we've let huge wealth disparity happen. Because we import more manufactured goods than we export, and we export more raw materials. We are becoming a third world country because we are acting like one. And that has nothing to do with the constitution.

That ladies and gentlemen, is what is meant by enemies, foreign and domestic.

It is a viable, and somewhat nauseating look, inside the mind of a subversive.

Nothing subversive at all. the constitution has flaws. There were things that the Founding Slaveowners could have never anticipated. If we had to write a new constitution tomorrow, it would look nothing like the current one.

 

[zeke]

If we had to write a new constitution tomorrow, it would look nothing like the current one.

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Hell, if this Congress was in charge of writing a new COTUS, all we would get would be how to name a post office.

 

[Norman]

Oh, brother!

Name a period in our history when Americans had more freedom than they have today......I'll wait

Name a time in our American history, except during the Civil War, WW1, and WW2, when Americans had LESS freedom than we have today..........we'll wait.

It's a shame to see a seemingly intelligent person (you), who is so drunk on the leftist Kool-Aid that he/she has lost any semblance of honesty, integrity, and objectivity.

Well in 1900 the govenrment all in all spent something like 5% of gdp.

Today it's over 40%.


Surely 40% of your income that the government takes from you on average in the long run counts as something? 40% of your work belongs to the government.

Meanwhile the general direction for regulations is also up.

 

[Intense]

Oh, look everyone, another constitutional fetishist.

I say we set up a special colony for these people. They can live just under the limits of the constitution, but they can't have any technology invented after 1790. If they get sick, no modern medicine for you. We'll just bleed you like they did Geo. Washington. That'll work out well.

The US Constitution is actually pretty awful. A Bi-Cameral legislature, the idiocy of giving Wymonig as many Senators as California, the stupidity of the Electoral College.

We are declining because we've let huge wealth disparity happen. Because we import more manufactured goods than we export, and we export more raw materials. We are becoming a third world country because we are acting like one. And that has nothing to do with the constitution.

That ladies and gentlemen, is what is meant by enemies, foreign and domestic.

It is a viable, and somewhat nauseating look, inside the mind of a subversive.

Nothing subversive at all. the constitution has flaws. There were things that the Founding Slaveowners could have never anticipated. If we had to write a new constitution tomorrow, it would look nothing like the current one.

Yeah, you are probably right, at least if the Statist Progressive Totalitarian Cock Suckers had their way. The first thing they would do away with is the concept of Unalienable Rights. You know, Life, Liberty, Property, the Pursuit of Happiness, Freedom of Religion, Speech, the Right to Dissent, Free Will, Original Thought. I mean, whats more important to people like you, the will of the Collective, Right or Wrong, or Liberty and Justice? The Will of the Collective, of course, demonstrated by the long list of those thrown under the bus, for questioning or challenging your will. You Statist Prick that you are, are as much a product of your Society, as Our Founders were to Theirs, in Colonial Times, as much as Anyone was throughout time. The Difference between them and you, other than they had Spinal Chords, was and is that, They Tried to break out of the mold, and establish Justice, maintain it, and create an environment that would serve it and maintain it, honoring Free Will and Liberty. You, you elitist slug seek to establish a Society, where everything is controlled cradle to grave, 24/7, with one set of arbitrary rules for us, designed to give you and your friends unfair advantage, while you exempt yourselves from adhering to those same rules. Fuck You and the disrespect you show for our founders. When you find an honest moment within yourself, ask your self where did Slavery start? Where does it exist today? What are you doing to make the world a better place? Time to stop with the Propaganda Comrade, and maybe trying to earn an honest living.

 

[kwc57]

Americans today have more freedom to get a job, live in the neighborhood of their choice, join the military, marry, go where they want, eat where they want....than in any time in our history......all thanks to the Federal Government

But they can't buy as much fertilizer as they desire, a 32 oz coke or get on an airplace without a body cavity search.......all thanks to government.

 

[kwc57]

The constitution you claim to love instituted a systems of checks and balances. Each branch ensures the others do not assume too much power.

Show where today's government is conducting more constitutional violations

Seriously? I know you are going to appeal to emotion as a retort, but try to just find any of them as a power in the constitution. really...so...sigh...how about you tell me where any of these agencies are mentioned as legitimate agencies or "powers" of the federal government:

Personal Income Tax Division of the IRS
National Endowment for the Arts (Can't sell your art privately?)
National Wild Horse and Burro Program (Huh?)
Dept. of Education
Dept of Energy
FEMA (a corrupt organization if there ever was one--leave it to charities)
FDIC (a sham program with only a fraction of funds needed to save banks)
Freddy Mac & Fannie Mae (helped cause present economic conditions)
Administration on Aging (AoA)
Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
Administration on Developmental Disabilities (ADD)
Administration for Native Americans (ANA)
Children's Bureau (CB)
Family and Youth Services Bureau (FYSB)
Head Start Bureau (HSB)
Healthy Marriage Initiative (HMI)
Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)
Office of Child Support Enforcement (OCSE)
Office of Community Services Block Grant (OCS)
Office of Family Assistance (OFA)
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)
Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR)
President's Committee for People with Intellectual Disabilities (PCPID)
Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR)
Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Indian Health Service (IHS)
National Institutes of Health (NIH)
Office for Civil Rights (OCR)
Office of Minority Health (OMH)
Program Support Center (PSC)
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Admin.(SAMHSA)
Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology (ONCHIT)
Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (CFBCI)
Employees' Compensation Appeals Board (ECAB)
Employment Standards Administration (ESA)
The Office of Labor-Management Standards (OLMS)
Office of Workers' Compensation Programs (OWCP)
Wage and Hour Division (WHD)
Employment and Training Administration (ETA)
Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA)
Women's Bureau (WB)
Job Corps
Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs
Bureau of Economic and Business Affairs
Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs
Internet Access and Training Program
Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs
Bureau of Human Resources
Bureau of Information Resource Management
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs
Bureau of International Organization Affairs
Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation
Bureau of Legislative Affairs
Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs
Bureau of Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs
Bureau of Overseas Buildings Operations
Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
Bureau of Public Affairs
Bureau of Resource Management
Bureau of South Asian Affairs
Bureau of Verification, Compliance, and Implementation
Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs
Counterterrorism Office (which produces the Patterns of Global Terrorism report)
National Foreign Affairs Training Center (former Foreign Service Institute)
Office of International Information Programs
Office of the Legal Adviser
Office of Management Policy
Office of Protocol
Office of the Science and Technology Adviser
Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons
Office of War Crimes Issues (They blew the Bush war crimes)
Car Allowance Rebate System (Cash for Clunkers)
Cash for Appliances Program
Bureau of the Public Debt
Community Development Financial Institution Fund (CDFI)
FHA
HUD

INDEPENDENT AGENCIES Of the U.S. GOVERNMENT;
National health and insurance system
African Development Foundation
Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (ACHP)
Agency for International Development (USAID)
American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC)
Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC)
U.S. Arctic Research Commission (USARC)
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) (EVIL WAR-MONGERS)
US Commission on Civil Rights (USCCR)
Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE)
Corporation for National and Community Service (CNCS)
Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency (CSOSA)
Delaware River Basin Commission (DRBC)
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
Export-Import Bank of the United States (ExIm)
Farm Credit Administration (FCA)
Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
Federal Election Commission (FEC)
Federal Maritime Commission
Federal Mine Safety & Health Review Commission (FMSHRC)
Federal Reserve System (a pseudo government, semi-private organization)
Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board
Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
Foreign Claims Settlement Commission of the United States (FCSC)
General Services Administration (GSA)
Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS)
Inter-American Foundation (IAF)
International Trade Commission (ITC)
Learn and Serve America (LSA)
National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC)
National Credit Union Administration (NCUA)
National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH)
National Ice Center (NIC)
National Labor Relations Board (NLRB)
National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) (NRPC)
National Science Foundation (NSF)
National Transportation Research Center (NTRC)
Office of Government Ethics (OGE)(LOT OF GOOD THEY DO)
Office of Personnel Management (OPM)
Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC)
Selective Service System (SSS)
Senior Corps
Small Business Administration (SBA)
Susquehanna River Basin Commission (SRBC)
Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)
United States Trade and Development Agency (TDA)

BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS;
Financial crisis inquiry commission
Administrative Committee of the Federal Register
American Battle Monuments Commission
Appalachian Regional Commission
Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board (Access Board)
Arctic Research Commission
Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee
Barry M. Goldwater Scholarship and Excellence in Education Foundation
Broadcasting Board of Governors
Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board
Chief Acquisition Officers Council
Chief Financial Officers Council
Chief Human Capital Officers Council
Chief Information Officers Council
Citizens' Stamp Advisory Committee
Commission of Fine Arts
Commission on International Religious Freedom
Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (Helsinki Commission)
Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States
Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the UniteJd States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction
Committee for Purchase from People Who Are Blind or Severely Disabled
Committee for the Implementation of Textile Agreements
Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States
Coordinating Council on Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention
Delaware River Basin Commission
Denali Commission
Endangered Species Committee
Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board
Federal Advisory Committees
Federal Executive Boards
Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council
Federal Financing Bank
Federal Geographic Data Committee
Federal Interagency Committee for the Management of Noxious and Exotic Weeds (GOTTA LOVE THAT ONE!)
Federal Interagency Committee on Education
Federal Interagency Council on Statistical Policy
Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer
Federal Library and Information Center Committee
Harry S. Truman Scholarship Foundation
Illinois and Michigan Canal National Heritage Corridor Commission
Indian Arts and Crafts Board
Interagency Alternative Dispute Resolution Working Group
Interagency Council on Homelessness
Interstate Commission on the Potomac River Basin
J. William Fulbright Foreign Scholarship Board
James Madison Memorial Fellowship Foundation
Japan-United States Friendship Commission
Joint Board for the Enrollment of Actuaries
Joint Fire Science Program
Marine Mammal Commission
Migratory Bird Conservation Commission
Millennium Challenge Corporation
Mississippi River Commission
Morris K. Udall Foundation: Scholarship and Excellence in National Environmental Policy
National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare
National Indian Gaming Commission
National Park Foundation
Northwest Power Planning Council
Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Nuclear Waste Technical Review Board
Presidio Trust
Regulatory Information Service Center
Social Security System
Social Security Advisory Board
Susquehanna River Basin Commission
Taxpayer Advocacy Panel
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Veterans Day National Committee
Vietnam Educational Foundation
White House Commission on Presidential Scholars – "Presidential Scholars Program"
White House Commission on the National Moment of Remembrance

Is that really the best you can do?

You somehow think our constitution is all inclusive? That it restricts what future governments need to run their government?

What a childish view of running a country.......that 18th century politicians of a nation of 3 million should decide what was needed to run a superpower of 300 million people

Actually, the purpose of the Constitution was exactly that......to limit the powers of the government. Read thru that list and tell me how half of those have anything to do with "running a government".

For instance:

Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS)
Inter-American Foundation (IAF)
National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH)
National Ice Center (NIC)

How are those necessary for the running of the government?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Sure it is....

The government has no obligation to enforce or condone your denial of freedom to others.

Civil Rights legislation was the most significant grant of individual freedom in a hundred years. More evidence of the federal government protecting the freedom of it's citizens

no one is advocating against the amendment process, dipshit.

What does the amendment process have to do with it? There were no amendments granting civil rights protections, womens rights in the workplace, gay rights........all examples of the federal government protecting freedom

The amendment process has everything to do with it. The amendment process provides a way to address shortcomings of the Constitution as they arise. As to the specific issues you,so persistently vomit forth, check out Amendments XIII, XV, and XIX.

 

[DiamondDave]

Exactly, kwc

The leftists believe the government was granted every power and then to be limited by specific law

The truth is the government was given expressly limited powers and charges, and to gain more the amendment process would be used

 

[AquaAthena]

Why can't the federal government just stick to the constitution? Since when has this become a bad thing? I don't understand...republicans complain, democrats complain, our whole system is just whiners with no real solution...when the solution is right in front of us. That's right. I am talking about the damn United States Constitution. All the rules are in place...but we don't follow them. The federal government grows and grows and grows, seizes power that by design the 10th amendment is supposed to protect, etc. etc. Maybe the reason why the country is declining economically, morally, etc. is because we strayed from our foundation...the foundation of liberty secured primarily by local government.

God help us.

I am loyal to our Constitution, but a different definition of freedom and liberty, took hold in this country many years ago, and we are a weaker country, in every way, for it.

 

[jillian]

All thanks to the Federal Government taking away people's freedom to do with their own property as they wish and to associate with whom the wish.

Imposing on others isn't freedom, except in the twisted mind of a shithead liberal.

Sure it is....

The government has no obligation to enforce or condone your denial of freedom to others.

Civil Rights legislation was the most significant grant of individual freedom in a hundred years. More evidence of the federal government protecting the freedom of it's citizens

no one is advocating against the amendment process, dipshit.

you don't need an "amendment" to protect rights which already exist. and, for the record, civil rights legislation didn't amend the constitution.

and you can always, by legislation, give greater rights than the constitution provides.

 

[jillian]

Why can't the federal government just stick to the constitution? Since when has this become a bad thing? I don't understand...republicans complain, democrats complain, our whole system is just whiners with no real solution...when the solution is right in front of us. That's right. I am talking about the damn United States Constitution. All the rules are in place...but we don't follow them. The federal government grows and grows and grows, seizes power that by design the 10th amendment is supposed to protect, etc. etc. Maybe the reason why the country is declining economically, morally, etc. is because we strayed from our foundation...the foundation of liberty secured primarily by local government.

God help us.

I am loyal to our Constitution, but a different definition of freedom and liberty, took hold in this country many years ago, and we are a weaker country, in every way, for it.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why can't the federal government just stick to the constitution? Since when has this become a bad thing? I don't understand...republicans complain, democrats complain, our whole system is just whiners with no real solution...when the solution is right in front of us. That's right. I am talking about the damn United States Constitution. All the rules are in place...but we don't follow them. The federal government grows and grows and grows, seizes power that by design the 10th amendment is supposed to protect, etc. etc. Maybe the reason why the country is declining economically, morally, etc. is because we strayed from our foundation...the foundation of liberty secured primarily by local government.

God help us.

I am loyal to our Constitution, but a different definition of freedom and liberty, took hold in this country many years ago, and we are a weaker country, in every way, for it.

If you don't see that govt has intruded into our personal lives then you have your head in the sand. Not only that but political strife has crippled our nation.

 

[Intense]

I am loyal to our Constitution, but a different definition of freedom and liberty, took hold in this country many years ago, and we are a weaker country, in every way, for it.

If you don't see that govt has intruded into our personal lives then you have your head in the sand. Not only that but political strife has crippled our nation.

People Born and Raised in NYC know nothing but Government Intrusion and Dictate, from Birth. In truth, it is hard for many to even imagine a single day without a thousand obligations to others to take up almost every minute of the day. The concept of Liberty, even Leisure, doesn't even enter into the equation. I look forward to the day that changes. In matters of Conscience, which is born of the Individual first, it is for the Individual to first realize what is Just, from within, before it can even be defended. The State has a place in defending what is right, but, when the State loses sight of what is Just, it does in fact forfeit Justification, the rest is process, and that is only a matter of time and realization, something Every Tyranny will beheld account to, in time.

 

[Intense]

I am loyal to our Constitution, but a different definition of freedom and liberty, took hold in this country many years ago, and we are a weaker country, in every way, for it.

If you don't see that govt has intruded into our personal lives then you have your head in the sand. Not only that but political strife has crippled our nation.

Another concept Government has a hard time coming to terms with, is it is not the Author of Morality. Government is not God, nor does it have the Monopoly on Right Action. Far from it, sometimes.

 

[kwc57]

Exactly, kwc

The leftists believe the government was granted every power and then to be limited by specific law

The truth is the government was given expressly limited powers and charges, and to gain more the amendment process would be used

Liberal fairytale on the constitution.

Jefferson: Oh shit, we forgot to include a way for the government to justify anything it wants to do in the future.

Madison: No worries, let's just throw in a "general welfare" clause to cover anything not addressed and call it good.

Washington: I second the motion.

Franklin: Party on dood!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If you don't see that govt has intruded into our personal lives then you have your head in the sand. Not only that but political strife has crippled our nation.

People Born and Raised in NYC know nothing but Government Intrusion and Dictate, from Birth. In truth, it is hard for many to even imagine a single day without a thousand obligations to others to take up almost every minute of the day. The concept of Liberty, even Leisure, doesn't even enter into the equation. I look forward to the day that changes. In matters of Conscience, which is born of the Individual first, it is for the Individual to first realize what is Just, from within, before it can even be defended. The State has a place in defending what is right, but, when the State loses sight of what is Just, it does in fact forfeit Justification, the rest is process, and that is only a matter of time and realization, something Every Tyranny will beheld account to, in time.

You would think those in NYC would notice it easily what with the regulation of salt and the ban on sugar drinks. It's so small yet leads to a large cliff.

 

[Intense]

Exactly, kwc

The leftists believe the government was granted every power and then to be limited by specific law

The truth is the government was given expressly limited powers and charges, and to gain more the amendment process would be used

Liberal fairytale on the constitution.

Jefferson: Oh shit, we forgot to include a way for the government to justify anything it wants to do in the future.

Madison: No worries, let's just throw in a "general welfare" clause to cover anything not addressed and call it good.

Washington: I second the motion.

Franklin: Party on dood!

I truly believe Madison a True Federalist. Hamilton was the corrupting influence, evidenced by the polarization with him against Madison and Jefferson, which came later.

 

[Contumacious]

Which states ratified The Federalist Papers? The fucking things were not even signed. They have no legal bearing

What has legal bearing is case law written to interpret the Constitution

Yo Vern, how 'bout the Communist Manifesto? Does it have legal meaning ?

No, how then do you explain the 2 planks of the Communist Manifesto:

1- Heavy Graduated Income Tax

2- The Federal Reserve Board

Did the states ratify Karl Marx's socioeconomic system?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

.

No State that I am aware of has Ratified the Communist Manifesto either. Like the Federalist Papers, it has no legal bearing in this country

Again, , if the Communist Manifesto does not have any legal effect in this country explain


1- Heavy Graduated Income Tax

2- The Federal Reserve Board

3- the massive welfare state and the transfer of wealth

4- the gargantuan regulatory state

.

 

[Intense]

If you don't see that govt has intruded into our personal lives then you have your head in the sand. Not only that but political strife has crippled our nation.

People Born and Raised in NYC know nothing but Government Intrusion and Dictate, from Birth. In truth, it is hard for many to even imagine a single day without a thousand obligations to others to take up almost every minute of the day. The concept of Liberty, even Leisure, doesn't even enter into the equation. I look forward to the day that changes. In matters of Conscience, which is born of the Individual first, it is for the Individual to first realize what is Just, from within, before it can even be defended. The State has a place in defending what is right, but, when the State loses sight of what is Just, it does in fact forfeit Justification, the rest is process, and that is only a matter of time and realization, something Every Tyranny will beheld account to, in time.

You would think those in NYC would notice it easily what with the regulation of salt and the ban on sugar drinks. It's so small yet leads to a large cliff.

Yep, precedent is dangerous. We all eventually see what happens when it is misapplied and misused. Judicial Review, Yes. Connecting Imaginary dots that aren't there, No.

 

[gallantwarrior]

If we had to write a new constitution tomorrow, it would look nothing like the current one.

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Hell, if this Congress was in charge of writing a new COTUS, all we would get would be how to name a post office.

True that! These fuckers can't even figure out how to balance a budget and pass it. Most of the bills they pass could be articulated in less than two pages, and yet most of them end up thousands of pages long, written in a language only lawyers can understand. I cannot imagine what a document outlining how to govern would look like. 'Specially since damned few of them have a clue how to govern, lead, or manage.