Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?

[Phoenall]

Israel will not have peace, they want more land and to do that they need enemies of Syria, Lebanon and well the W. Bank and Gaza.

So why did they give up land in the Sinai then that they had control over and could keep ?

 

[Phoenall]

They could (and WOULD) if the rest of the world would leave them alone to work out their differences.

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

Israeli attitude will destroy Israel, to change their attitude they have to be free from their elders who are using them by their brain wash; please see my signature comments.

HOGWASH and islaminazi propaganda because they know they are unable to defeat the Jews. They have tried and failed many times, and even the combined forces of 5 arab nations could not beat Jewish farmers fighting with farm tools and 19C guns.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel will not have peace, they want more land and to do that they need enemies of Syria, Lebanon and well the W. Bank and Gaza.

Pointless.

Israel has a demonstrated history of giving up land in exchange for peace.

Your goofy slogans only speak to your profound ignorance about events.

Israel never had land to give up. Israel never was, till now, you must remember the Egyptian, Persian, Greek, Roman , Ottoman Empires, (read about them)did I leave Jewish empire out , no why? its a new invention , a Zionist invention.

So in 1967 they did not overrun Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian forces and occupy a land area 3 times the size of Israel. Only you are talking about a Jewish empire here in a futile attempt at deflecting away from the reality.

 

[Phoenall]

When they are muslim yes as they steal and cause trouble all the time

 

[Phoenall]

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

I thought it was end the occupation and the right of return?

Then you would be wrong again and refuse to see the true proposals because they sit with your Jew Hatred

read the full peace plan here



BBC NEWS | Middle East | Text: Arab peace plan of 2002


1. Requests Israel to reconsider its policies and declare that a just peace is its strategic option as well.
2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:
a. Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights to the lines of June 4, 1967 as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.
b. Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian Refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194.
c. The acceptance of the establishment of a Sovereign Independent Palestinian State on the Palestinian territories occupied since the 4th of June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital.
3. Consequently, the Arab Countries affirm the following:
a. Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.
b. Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.
4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.
5. Calls upon the Government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab Countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighborliness and provide future generations with security, stability, and prosperity.
6. Invites the International Community and all countries and Organizations to support this initiative.
7. Requests the Chairman of the Summit to form a special committee composed of some of its concerned member states and the Secretary General of the League of Arab States to pursue the necessary contacts to gain support for this initiative at all levels, particularly from the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the Muslim States and the European Union.





Now we all know that for the occupation to end the Palestinians need to lay down their arms and give up terrorism, violence and belligerence. Just as we all know that the UN resolutions do not say that the Palestinians have the right to return, just that they have the right to apply to return and that all parties to the war in 1947 are equally responsible for payment and reparation to the refugees.

Just two points...

There is no mention of the "destruction of Israel"...

We ALL know that Israel will NEVER end the occupation no matter what the Palestinians do!

Did I say there was, or is this just you putting words in that were never there ?

Or are you getting confused with the palestinian charters that call for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel

You will see that one of your brethren suggested in this very thread that you responded to....

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

You replied to me not them implying that I said it, and now you have been proven to be a LIAR you are back pedaling as only an islamonazi stooge can

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Reilly, et al,

That is actually two different questions.

The answer to each is YES, but for much different reasons.

Q1: Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
Q2: Is there any chance these two groups can settle their differences and bury the hatchet?

(COMMENT)

A1: "Can" they?" "Friends?"
In understanding the "can they aspect" one has to remember that is is truly a matter of possibilities. It is just one of several states in which the mutual relationship between the two peoples might hold. There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.

A2: It is a mutual and simultaneous relationship expressing and exchanging interpersonal bond and affection between two peoples. Can this happen? Again it is just one of several states in the realm of possibility.
​

In both cases, there are powerful forces at work, attempt to minimize those possibilities. But it probably will not happen in my lifetime.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo_Reilly, et al,

That is actually two different questions.

The answer to each is YES, but for much different reasons.

Q1: Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
Q2: Is there any chance these two groups can settle their differences and bury the hatchet?

(COMMENT)

A1: "Can" they?" "Friends?"
In understanding the "can they aspect" one has to remember that is is truly a matter of possibilities. It is just one of several states in which the mutual relationship between the two peoples might hold. There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.

A2: It is a mutual and simultaneous relationship expressing and exchanging interpersonal bond and affection between two peoples. Can this happen? Again it is just one of several states in the realm of possibility.
​

In both cases, there are powerful forces at work, attempt to minimize those possibilities. But it probably will not happen in my lifetime.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.​

Indeed, the only thing in the way is Israel's policies.

 

[Challenger]

They could (and WOULD) if the rest of the world would leave them alone to work out their differences.

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

The "Israeli Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Palestine, so what? Everyone needs a starting position.

 

[Challenger]

Billo_Reilly, et al,

That is actually two different questions.

The answer to each is YES, but for much different reasons.

Q1: Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
Q2: Is there any chance these two groups can settle their differences and bury the hatchet?

(COMMENT)

A1: "Can" they?" "Friends?"
In understanding the "can they aspect" one has to remember that is is truly a matter of possibilities. It is just one of several states in which the mutual relationship between the two peoples might hold. There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.

A2: It is a mutual and simultaneous relationship expressing and exchanging interpersonal bond and affection between two peoples. Can this happen? Again it is just one of several states in the realm of possibility.
​

In both cases, there are powerful forces at work, attempt to minimize those possibilities. But it probably will not happen in my lifetime.

Most Respectfully,
R

They probably said something like that about South Africa, Ireland/Northern Ireland and the former Yugoslavia. All it takes is the will to achieve a just equitable settlement and the rest will follow.

 

[Humanity]

I thought it was end the occupation and the right of return?

Then you would be wrong again and refuse to see the true proposals because they sit with your Jew Hatred

read the full peace plan here



BBC NEWS | Middle East | Text: Arab peace plan of 2002


1. Requests Israel to reconsider its policies and declare that a just peace is its strategic option as well.
2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:
a. Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights to the lines of June 4, 1967 as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.
b. Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian Refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194.
c. The acceptance of the establishment of a Sovereign Independent Palestinian State on the Palestinian territories occupied since the 4th of June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital.
3. Consequently, the Arab Countries affirm the following:
a. Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.
b. Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.
4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.
5. Calls upon the Government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab Countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighborliness and provide future generations with security, stability, and prosperity.
6. Invites the International Community and all countries and Organizations to support this initiative.
7. Requests the Chairman of the Summit to form a special committee composed of some of its concerned member states and the Secretary General of the League of Arab States to pursue the necessary contacts to gain support for this initiative at all levels, particularly from the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the Muslim States and the European Union.





Now we all know that for the occupation to end the Palestinians need to lay down their arms and give up terrorism, violence and belligerence. Just as we all know that the UN resolutions do not say that the Palestinians have the right to return, just that they have the right to apply to return and that all parties to the war in 1947 are equally responsible for payment and reparation to the refugees.

Just two points...

There is no mention of the "destruction of Israel"...

We ALL know that Israel will NEVER end the occupation no matter what the Palestinians do!

Did I say there was, or is this just you putting words in that were never there ?

Or are you getting confused with the palestinian charters that call for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel

You will see that one of your brethren suggested in this very thread that you responded to....

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

You replied to me not them implying that I said it, and now you have been proven to be a LIAR you are back pedaling as only an islamonazi stooge can

Proven a LIAR? How so Phoney?

You are an idiot boy...

You should leave grown up conversations to the grown ups!

 

[Phoenall]

Billo_Reilly, et al,

That is actually two different questions.

The answer to each is YES, but for much different reasons.

Q1: Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
Q2: Is there any chance these two groups can settle their differences and bury the hatchet?

(COMMENT)

A1: "Can" they?" "Friends?"
In understanding the "can they aspect" one has to remember that is is truly a matter of possibilities. It is just one of several states in which the mutual relationship between the two peoples might hold. There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.

A2: It is a mutual and simultaneous relationship expressing and exchanging interpersonal bond and affection between two peoples. Can this happen? Again it is just one of several states in the realm of possibility.
​

In both cases, there are powerful forces at work, attempt to minimize those possibilities. But it probably will not happen in my lifetime.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.​

Indeed, the only thing in the way is Israel's policies.

Not arab nationalist policies then that sees the whole of the world as being muslim ?

 

[Phoenall]

They could (and WOULD) if the rest of the world would leave them alone to work out their differences.

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

The "Israeli Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Palestine, so what? Everyone needs a starting position.

How about a LINK then rat boy

 

[Phoenall]

Billo_Reilly, et al,

That is actually two different questions.

The answer to each is YES, but for much different reasons.

Q1: Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
Q2: Is there any chance these two groups can settle their differences and bury the hatchet?

(COMMENT)

A1: "Can" they?" "Friends?"
In understanding the "can they aspect" one has to remember that is is truly a matter of possibilities. It is just one of several states in which the mutual relationship between the two peoples might hold. There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.

A2: It is a mutual and simultaneous relationship expressing and exchanging interpersonal bond and affection between two peoples. Can this happen? Again it is just one of several states in the realm of possibility.
​

In both cases, there are powerful forces at work, attempt to minimize those possibilities. But it probably will not happen in my lifetime.

Most Respectfully,
R

They probably said something like that about South Africa, Ireland/Northern Ireland and the former Yugoslavia. All it takes is the will to achieve a just equitable settlement and the rest will follow.

So this is why there is no peace in South Africa, N.I and the former yugoslavia

 

[Phoenall]

Then you would be wrong again and refuse to see the true proposals because they sit with your Jew Hatred

read the full peace plan here



BBC NEWS | Middle East | Text: Arab peace plan of 2002


1. Requests Israel to reconsider its policies and declare that a just peace is its strategic option as well.
2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:
a. Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights to the lines of June 4, 1967 as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.
b. Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian Refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194.
c. The acceptance of the establishment of a Sovereign Independent Palestinian State on the Palestinian territories occupied since the 4th of June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital.
3. Consequently, the Arab Countries affirm the following:
a. Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.
b. Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.
4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.
5. Calls upon the Government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab Countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighborliness and provide future generations with security, stability, and prosperity.
6. Invites the International Community and all countries and Organizations to support this initiative.
7. Requests the Chairman of the Summit to form a special committee composed of some of its concerned member states and the Secretary General of the League of Arab States to pursue the necessary contacts to gain support for this initiative at all levels, particularly from the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the Muslim States and the European Union.





Now we all know that for the occupation to end the Palestinians need to lay down their arms and give up terrorism, violence and belligerence. Just as we all know that the UN resolutions do not say that the Palestinians have the right to return, just that they have the right to apply to return and that all parties to the war in 1947 are equally responsible for payment and reparation to the refugees.

Just two points...

There is no mention of the "destruction of Israel"...

We ALL know that Israel will NEVER end the occupation no matter what the Palestinians do!

Did I say there was, or is this just you putting words in that were never there ?

Or are you getting confused with the palestinian charters that call for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel

You will see that one of your brethren suggested in this very thread that you responded to....

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

You replied to me not them implying that I said it, and now you have been proven to be a LIAR you are back pedaling as only an islamonazi stooge can

Proven a LIAR? How so Phoney?

You are an idiot boy...

You should leave grown up conversations to the grown ups!

You replied to me as if I had said the arab oeace plan calls for the destruction of Israel when I said no such thing. Then admitted that I did not say that making you a LIAR. SIMPLES really

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The absence or placement of policies is neither a condition for --- or obstacle to --- a positive mutual exchange between two peoples. It is merely an excuse used to perpetuate the conflict.

Billo_Reilly, et al,

That is actually two different questions.

The answer to each is YES, but for much different reasons.

Q1: Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
Q2: Is there any chance these two groups can settle their differences and bury the hatchet?

(COMMENT)

A1: "Can" they?" "Friends?"
In understanding the "can they aspect" one has to remember that is is truly a matter of possibilities. It is just one of several states in which the mutual relationship between the two peoples might hold. There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.

A2: It is a mutual and simultaneous relationship expressing and exchanging interpersonal bond and affection between two peoples. Can this happen? Again it is just one of several states in the realm of possibility.
​

In both cases, there are powerful forces at work, attempt to minimize those possibilities. But it probably will not happen in my lifetime.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.​

Indeed, the only thing in the way is Israel's policies.

(REFERENCE)

Mr Khalid Meshaal, Chief of the Political Bureau, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) Principle Position Paper
SOURCE: Conference --- Al-Zaytouna Centre for Studies & Consultations, Beirut, on 28-29 November 2012.
Download the full document

(COMMENT)

While there are some differences between what HAMAS considers "Israel;" and what other, more moderate Palestinians consider "Israel;" --- they each lead to chaos in the diplomatic construct.

As long as the Palestinians believe that it is proper to teach, now the fifth generation of Palestinians, that there "is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad" ---- the likelihood that a mutual friendship will be achieved is low.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

They could (and WOULD) if the rest of the world would leave them alone to work out their differences.

That will never happen. The " Arab Peace Plan" calls for the destruction of Israel

Israeli attitude will destroy Israel, to change their attitude they have to be free from their elders who are using them by their brain wash; please see my signature comments.

Jews would be free once they all remembered their ancestors and the elders and prosper even more. That's the sole purpose of Israel today.
The freedom You're talking about is sold in Europe under the guise of "rights"...Israel seems to know the game of ME better.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The absence or placement of policies is neither a condition for --- or obstacle to --- a positive mutual exchange between two peoples. It is merely an excuse used to perpetuate the conflict.

Billo_Reilly, et al,

That is actually two different questions.

The answer to each is YES, but for much different reasons.

Q1: Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
Q2: Is there any chance these two groups can settle their differences and bury the hatchet?

(COMMENT)

A1: "Can" they?" "Friends?"
In understanding the "can they aspect" one has to remember that is is truly a matter of possibilities. It is just one of several states in which the mutual relationship between the two peoples might hold. There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.

A2: It is a mutual and simultaneous relationship expressing and exchanging interpersonal bond and affection between two peoples. Can this happen? Again it is just one of several states in the realm of possibility.
​

In both cases, there are powerful forces at work, attempt to minimize those possibilities. But it probably will not happen in my lifetime.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no sociological, social psychological, anthropological, and philosophical barrier that presents itself to prevent the condition.​

Indeed, the only thing in the way is Israel's policies.

(REFERENCE)

Mr Khalid Meshaal, Chief of the Political Bureau, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) Principle Position Paper
SOURCE: Conference --- Al-Zaytouna Centre for Studies & Consultations, Beirut, on 28-29 November 2012.
Download the full document

(COMMENT)

While there are some differences between what HAMAS considers "Israel;" and what other, more moderate Palestinians consider "Israel;" --- they each lead to chaos in the diplomatic construct.

As long as the Palestinians believe that it is proper to teach, now the fifth generation of Palestinians, that there "is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad" ---- the likelihood that a mutual friendship will be achieved is low.

Most Respectfully,
R

Hamas is a product of Israeli policies.

 

[rylah]

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Befriending Christians and Jews


The balestinins can't stop killing and torturing each other, how can they become friends with their enemies?

Really quoting the Quran to justify anything. Seems the Jews had a problem with everyone in the OT and ever since.

Really everyone?
Any problems with Russians, Chinese, Swedes, Germans or Indians in the Torah?
And by problems You mean wars against neighboring tribes or riots against foreign empires?

Hmm..now let's see who actually has a problem with ALL infidels,
looks to conquer the world?...ISLAMISTS

Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Penelope]

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Befriending Christians and Jews


The balestinins can't stop killing and torturing each other, how can they become friends with their enemies?

Really quoting the Quran to justify anything. Seems the Jews had a problem with everyone in the OT and ever since.

Really everyone?
Any problems with Russians, Chinese, Swedes, Germans or Indians in the Torah?
And by problems You mean wars against neighboring tribes or riots against foreign empires?

Hmm..now let's see who actually has a problem with ALL infidels,
looks to conquer the world?...ISLAMISTS

Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is your point, even the Jews and Romans had civil wars.

 

[rylah]

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Befriending Christians and Jews


The balestinins can't stop killing and torturing each other, how can they become friends with their enemies?

Really quoting the Quran to justify anything. Seems the Jews had a problem with everyone in the OT and ever since.

Really everyone?
Any problems with Russians, Chinese, Swedes, Germans or Indians in the Torah?
And by problems You mean wars against neighboring tribes or riots against foreign empires?

Hmm..now let's see who actually has a problem with ALL infidels,
looks to conquer the world?...ISLAMISTS

Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is your point, even the Jews and Romans had civil wars.

Did I mention civil war? Stop playing stupid

Who has the vision of spreading religion by sword all over the world?