Campaign 2024, Officially Chaos

[YoursTruly]

More MAGA support doesn’t help

It helps Trump. And to Trump and his cult, that's all that matters. The indictments are handing Trump the election on a silver platter.

 

[rightwinger]

It helps Trump. And to Trump and his cult, that's all that matters. The indictments are handing Trump the election on a silver platter.

The indictments help Trump play victim in front of his followers

They do not help with moderates and independents who gave the election to Biden in 2020

They are tired of his act

 

[YoursTruly]

The indictments help Trump play victim in front of his followers

They do not help with moderates and independents who gave the election to Biden in 2020

They are tired of his act

I was sick of Trump act before he was elected in 2016. But still Trumps support is growing. The GOP doesn't care about fiscal and constitutional conservatives like me. I've repeated Trumps fiscal and constitutional flaws to many of them. But they just don't care. I've pointed how how Trumps taken his supporters left of center, and they just don't care.

And when you throw in what a loser Biden is, there's no way in hell Biden wins the next election. This country is infected with the "lesser of two evils" voting habit. Which is why we can't get decent candidates anymore.
When we do, (IE Tulsi Gabbard for the Dems, and Rand Paul for the GOP), they get thrown under the bus by their own party and the media.

 

[rightwinger]

When we do, (IE Tulsi Gabbard for the Dems, and Rand Paul for the GOP),

Crack pots

 

[RhodyPatriot]

It helps Trump. And to Trump and his cult

His cult?

Excuse me, when he touted Operation Warp Speed and the "vaccines" we literally booed him.

We don't just go along with whatever he says.

When his utterances displease us, we let him know and he adjusts accordingly.

That said, he still appears to be destiny's chosen molotov cocktail when it comes to eviscerating the Deep State.

 

[YoursTruly]

His cult?

Excuse me, when he touted Operation Warp Speed and the "vaccines" we literally booed him.

We don't just go along with whatever he says.

When his utterances displease us, we let him know and he adjusts accordingly.

That said, he still appears to be destiny's chosen molotov cocktail when it comes to eviscerating the Deep State.

With all the leftist crap he's shoved down his supporters throat, he should've been thrown under the bus during the 2020 primaries.

2 debt ceiling increases
A 2 years debt ceiling suspension
Only vetoing 1 spending bill in 4 years
Reauthorizing unconstitutional crap like FISA 702.
His Platinum Plan. $500 Billion to black communities, just because they were black. (socialism at the highest order)
Banned bumps stocks
Funding gender studies
That pathetic tax reduction, that also eliminated so many tax deductions that it was virtually revenue neutral to the governments CAFR.
Getting Saudi, Mexico and the US oil companies to REDUCE oil production.
And all that damn lying.

Oh sure all of that was spun to sound good. But it takes like 2 seconds to realize "That's some leftist BS he's doing."

I could list a LOT more leftist things that Trump did, but it wouldn't make any difference. His cult is so loyal, they simply don't care. FFS, he's bashing the best governor in the USA right now. Someone who's to the right of him. And like a good herd, his supporters just follow right along. 5 months ago, they were wanting DeSantis for VP and then POTUS in 28. Now he's a supposed establishment candidate and all sort of other fake conspiracies being said. LoL.. Trump supporters are actually protesting DeSantis events.

And for what? So we can elect the north eastern liberal back into the white house? More debt increases, more lies.

 

[toobfreak]

The Savior can do no wrong.

Tell us Jack, name some things Biden has done wrong? Then tell us what Trump has done right?

Yeah, I'm rooting for Trump....to get a jail cell with no windows.

Any cell Trump gets will no doubt be far nicer than the house you live in, Spud.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

With all the leftist crap he's shoved down his supporters throat, he should've been thrown under the bus during the 2020 primaries.

2 debt ceiling increases

Name one Republican President who HASN'T done that in the last 30 years.

Only vetoing 1 spending bill in 4 years

Again, Trump gets his share of the blame, but previous Republican Presidents did the same.

Reauthorizing unconstitutional crap like FISA 702.

Yes, but the entire Establishment GOP gets the blame for that, not just Trump.

His Platinum Plan. $500 Billion to black communities, just because they were black. (socialism at the highest order)

He was rewarding neighborhoods based on economic disadvantage.

Ask poor rural whites if they were better off under Trump and if they'd vote for him again.

Funding gender studies

Yeah that's gross.

But he also banned CRT til China Joe overturned it.

That pathetic tax reduction, that also eliminated so many tax deductions that it was virtually revenue neutral to the governments CAFR.

I'm very happy with the Trump bump.

So are most folks -esp. the middle class who loathe the fact that the Left/Media pillory Trump with the myth they were "for the rich".

Totally disagree, sorry.

Getting Saudi, Mexico and the US oil companies to REDUCE oil production.
And all that damn lying.

Oil prices were quite low, and we certainly weren't fighting any wars over it.

I'd take Trump's oil policy in a heart beat vs. the draining of the SPR hand in glove with China being implemented by the current commie freaks.

Now, do you care to play fair and list the endless amounts of fantastic things he did?

There is no "cult", Trump delivered for the people and is being persecuted for it by the globalist villains who would bring America to its knees.

If naysayers like you want to whine about a few "betrayals" of conservative orthodoxy from an academic perspective, so be it.

But last I checked Trump never claimed to be a conservative, and many people who voted for him were voting Republican for the first time. (I should know, I'm one of 'em.)

You don't have to like it, but it doesn't make it a "cult".

Any more than your tenacious embrace of antiquated 80s style conservative perfection in the face of the globalist onslaught hiding behind the guise of a senile old man makes you part of one.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Tell us Jack, name some things Biden has done wrong? Then tell us what Trump has done right?


Any cell Trump gets will no doubt be far nicer than the house you live in, Spud.

Let's see. Biden could have planned the evacuation of Afghanistan better. We still needed to leave. But it didn't need to be a clusterfuck. Then again Trump, Obama, and Bush Jr. all share in the blame for that abortion (Bush gets the lion share of the blame. He started it). Trump's ONLY accomplishment of his presidency was signing the First Step Act.

I don't expect Trump to see prison. House arrest at Mar-A-Lago with an ankle monitoring device for life will do. He gives his passport up and agrees to no social media accounts. At least he can keep his Secret Service detail..although I don't know who would sign on for that hell. Screw up just once, and he goes to a prison....just like every other convicted criminal.

 

[toobfreak]

Biden could have planned the evacuation of Afghanistan better.

UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR.

We still needed to leave.

Actually, we DIDN'T.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR.


Actually, we DIDN'T.

That's exactly why your outrage over Biden's handling of the withdrawal is complete hypocritical bullshit.

 

[YoursTruly]

Name one Republican President who HASN'T done that in the last 30 years.

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I can't. Because they've all been pretty much the same since Reagan. But that's no excuse. If they're going to identify as the fiscal conservative party, they should be fiscally conservative. Since Reagan, the GOP has spent more money and increased the debt ceiling more times.
If it wasn't for all this progressive, woke, alphabet people and abortion crap, I'd be inclined to vote democrat. Just to help save some money.

Again, Trump gets his share of the blame, but previous Republican Presidents did the same.

Still doesn't matter. 100 wrongs or 2 don't make a right. And it's just not something I'm willing to budge on anymore.

Yes, but the entire Establishment GOP gets the blame for that, not just Trump.

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Wrong. Because it was Trumps signature that reauthorized it. The buck stopped (kept right one going) with Trump when he signs anything. If he supported the constitution, he would've vetoed it and told the House and Senate to make it constitutional before he was signing it. If they over rode his veto, then it would've been all on the House and Senate. But Trump signed it. So it's on him.

He was rewarding neighborhoods based on economic disadvantage.

Ask poor rural whites if they were better off under Trump and if they'd vote for him again.

That's still socialism. Poor neighborhoods get plenty of money. And there's a TON of organizations out there to help willing black people get education, job training and other things to help get them out of the ghetto. But they won't even clean up their own neighborhoods.

Yeah that's gross.

But he also banned CRT til China Joe overturned it.

BTW, I don't disagree with everything Trump did. Mostly those things I listed. Some of the more important ones. Especially when it comes to spending and the debt.
Biden is a demented POS, who needs to be under the jail. I'll settle for Trump just walking away from politics and let the real conservatives have a shot. We haven't had an actual fiscal conservative president since Eisenhower. Newt Gingrich, he and the GOP forced some very conservative changes on Bill Clinton. But W squandered it all and put things right back on the same track as Reagan. Borrow and spend.

I'm very happy with the Trump bump.

So are most folks -esp. the middle class who loathe the fact that the Left/Media pillory Trump with the myth they were "for the rich".

Some folks were. Some, like me a small business owner at the time, ended up paying more than from the year before because of the deductions were weren't allowed any longer. Even with skewing the numbers, I still come out paying $600 more. If I'd have lied by butt off, I maybe could've broke even. But I've been through an IRS audit before. I DO NOT want to do it again.
None the less, all the money Trump borrowed and spent, helped to create the 8%+ inflation that we seen under Biden. So what ever little bit you got back in 2020 or 2021, it's all been used to pay for the much higher inflation that Trump & biden created.

Trump spent as much in 4 years as Obama spent in 8.

Oil prices were quite low, and we certainly weren't fighting any wars over it.

I'd take Trump's oil policy in a heart beat vs. the draining of the SPR hand in glove with China being implemented by the current commie freaks.

Oil is bought and sold on the world market. No president really has much to do with oil prices. The prices were low because of a few normal things that go on in cycles in the oil industry.
When Trump just took office:
1. The oil field was just ending a bust cycle, heading into a boom cycle. This is when production ramps up, the futures market drops and then the price at the pump start to decline
2. Oil prices were at their lowest when Russia and Saudi were in an oil price war with each other. This flooded the market and forced low global prices.
3. Biden's oil dealings had nothing to do with the price of oil. His shutting down the XL pipeline and those oil leases had nothing to do with oil prices. Because those leases and that pipeline were years away from completion. 100% of those oil leases hadn't even had geological studies done. Much less a drilling permit. From the time the lease is signed, studies done, drilling permit issues, it's at least 5 to 7 year. It takes at least 2 years for the drilling permit to be issued.

If you're pro oil, then Biden is your man. Somehow under Biden, the US oil companies made record profits, and at the same time, produced record low amounts

Now, do you care to play fair and list the endless amounts of fantastic things he did?

I can name a few.
He brought the drilling permit time line down from 5 to 7 years, to 2 to 3 years. He didn't get us out of any wars. But he didn't get us into any new ones.
That CRT thing you mentioned earlier was a good thing.
And ragging on the democrats was pretty entertaining. But I'm a serious guy when it comes to politics. After a while it just got childish. Especially the way he'd bash them one day, but cave to them the next.

There is no "cult", Trump delivered for the people and is being persecuted for it by the globalist villains who would bring America to its knees.

There is definitely a cult. No GOP president could do what Trump did and get away with it from his own party. Not one. FFS, if Biden had banned Bump stocks, got US oil companies to reduce their production or give $500 BILLION to blacks, the right would be screaming their bloody heads off.
Look at all the screaming they're doing about Hunter? And none of that has anything to do with the cult (personally). But our 2A (that trump assaulted) does. But it's crickets from the cult. The same goes with all the debt ceiling increases. Not hardly a word from Trumps loyal followers. But Biden does it, then the sky is falling.

If naysayers like you want to whine about a few "betrayals" of conservative orthodoxy from an academic perspective, so be it.

$8 trillion in 4 years isn't whining about a few betrayals. Assaulting our 2A isn't. Funding Planned Parenthood while they were performing abortions isn't. 3 debt ceiling increases isn't.
Those are some things we'd expect from a liberal president like Biden. Not from a Republican.
A liberal Republican like Reagan, maybe. But I'd thought the GOP had learned it's lesson from people like Reagan.

But last I checked Trump never claimed to be a conservative, and many people who voted for him were voting Republican for the first time. (I should know, I'm one of 'em.)

The hell he didn't. He promised to zero out the national debt in 8 years. He didn't even try. Like a good salesman, he said what he had to say to get elected, then went into full fledged liberal mode. Him, Ryan and Pelosi went on a 4 year spending spree. And then they stuck us with the bill.

You don't have to like it, but it doesn't make it a "cult".

Any more than your tenacious embrace of antiquated 80s style conservative perfection in the face of the globalist onslaught hiding behind the guise of a senile old man makes you part of one.

Now look here, you little whippersnapper. It was conservatives like me that build this country and created the strongest middle class in the world. And we did it almost within budget. Back when we had real conservatives, we cared about the debt, deficits and spending. Because we knew that if it got out of control, a few bad things would happen.

1. The value of the USD would go down the toilet.
2. Cost of living would increase.
3. Wages would have to increase which would make it harder on American manufacturers to compete with China.
4. Jobs would start leaving this country by the thousands.

Any of that ringing any bells?
By keeping the spending in check, the value of the USD would still be where it was in 1980. But now since 1980, it's lost 75% of it's buying power. But hey, wages have increased right? So that 1980 luxury car that cost $7500 , is now $45,000. But with the higher wages, it balances out, right?
Wrong, because most of the parts that go into it were made somewhere else at $10 per DAY wages.

If the government hadn't borrowed and spent so much money, those jobs would've still been here. $8hr would still be a middle class wage. We could still compete with China and Mexico.

Fix the USD value, make $8hr buy what $20hr does now. And jobs will come flooding back to this country so fast that we won't even care if illegals are flooding this country. Because the economy will be booming again, Instead of this artificial propping up that's been going on for 5 decades.

 

[YoursTruly]

UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR.


Actually, we DIDN'T.

There wasn't enough troops in Afghanistan to pull that off effectively.

 

[Concerned American]

I'd rather see both poll leaders drop out, and 2 40-50 year olds run.

So where is Darby O'Gill

 

[Concerned American]

jack off.

Punatero.

Urban Dictionary: puñatero

Jack off!

www.urbandictionary.com

 

[RhodyPatriot]

If it wasn't for all this progressive, woke, alphabet people and abortion crap, I'd be inclined to vote democrat. Just to help save some money.

OK, you're a Patriot Front fake.

No one on the Right honestly believes Trump spent more than Biden.

Yet another dishonest broker.

You should try out for moderator.

But don't waste my time.

 

[YoursTruly]

OK, you're a Patriot Front fake.

No one on the Right honestly believes Trump spent more than Biden.

Yet another dishonest broker.

You should try out for moderator.

But don't waste my time.

Have you seen the numbers? The last time I check, just a few months ago, Trump was ahead of Biden.

But even still, the GOP has spent more money and raised the debt ceiling more times than the democrats.
FFS, Trump suspended the debt ceiling for 2 years.

BTW, I'm a fiscal conservative. Not a republican. Not a democrat. And especially not a liberal. I'm loyal to no party or politician. Regardless of how entertaining they can be.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Have you seen the numbers? The last time I check, just a few months ago, Trump was ahead of Biden.

But even still, the GOP has spent more money and raised the debt ceiling more times than the democrats.
FFS, Trump suspended the debt ceiling for 2 years.

Is there anything in here you like?

Like even 20%?

And, if so, who else came even close in our lifetimes?

Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relentless’ promise-keeping - Washington Examiner

The Trump administration’s often overlooked list of achievements has surpassed those of former President Ronald Reagan at this time and more than doubled since the last tally of accomplishments after his first year in office, giving President Trump a solid platform to run for re-election on. As...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

BTW, I'm a fiscal conservative. Not a republican. Not a democrat. And especially not a liberal. I'm loyal to no party or politician. Regardless of how entertaining they can be.

Cool story bro.

 

[YoursTruly]

Is there anything in here you like?

Like even 20%?

And, if so, who else came even close in our lifetimes?

Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relentless’ promise-keeping - Washington Examiner

The Trump administration’s often overlooked list of achievements has surpassed those of former President Ronald Reagan at this time and more than doubled since the last tally of accomplishments after his first year in office, giving President Trump a solid platform to run for re-election on. As...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

OMG, that list. Have you actually paid attention to the things on that list? There are so many falsehoods. So many instances where Trump is given credit for things he had nothing to do with. And many are just down right lies.
Like giving him credit for 4 million new jobs. Hey bro, the government doesn't create jobs. Customers do. Did Trump create 4 million new government jobs? He did grow the size and scope of government. But not 4 million.

Take these two things, they're just padding the first lie about 4 million jobs being add.

• More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
• Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.

Can't you see how they're fooling you?

The government doesn't run the economy or the jobs rates. They can only make things worse.. If left alone, especially with USD value and things that effect it, "We the People" would create the worlds best economy again. Which is what we did when politicians were a lot more fiscally conservative, because they stayed TF out of the peoples way, out of their lives and out of their business.

But that list, man. Is jammed packed full of propaganda, lies and half truths.

Example

Cool story bro.

It's a true story.

Here's another one. 3 so called "accomplishments" based on the same half truth.

• Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
• Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
• Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade.
• Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by 1.4 percent over the past year.

Wages had to increase because of all the inflation that was created during Obama's term. Not to mention the fact that the minimum wage law during Obama increased. But I don't give a lot of credit to the minimum wage hike for increasing wages because it's not the biggest factor. THE biggest factor is the economy itself making it's own corrections. There's 3 stages that we've gone through many MANY times just since the 1970's.
The government borrows a shit ton of money from the fed and dumps it into the economy. Things look all rosy for a while. This is the boom cycle. All this new money means new jobs, low prices and all the things that go along with a boom cycle. Then inflation sets in (from all that new money). Prices increase, the economy slows & people have to start stretching their dollars. That's the bust cycle. Then comes the recovery stage. Where everyone stops buying as much, companies affected by this lays off or reduces it's work force. Expansion is stopped dead in it's tracts. Also more people buy cheaper good from overseas, sending a LOT of our money to places like China. The recovery stage takes the longest to get out of. It's a slow process. But with all that, "we the people" correct the mistake of the government and it's new money. We learn to adjust and recuperate. Once we have adjusted, then "we the people" come out our caves and start buying. Businesses start getting more customers. Which means new employee's. And if the government didn't come in and dump a bunch of new money into the economy, we'd rock & roll along on an even keel from now on. But oh noooo, some new president has to come along and sign a HUGE omnibus bill and dump a lot of new money into the economy and start the cycles all over again.

How many omnibus bills did Trump sign? IIRC, it was 3. His first one was something like $1.4 trillion. Biden comes in and signs one that was like $1.7 trillion.

So you see, giving Trump or Biden (or any of them) credit for pay check increases was only a mouse trap full of cheese, sort of speak. It looks good. But it's going snap and we all suffer until we can adjust and recuperate.

 

[YoursTruly]

US Debt by President: By Dollar and Percentage​

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