Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say

[Chuckt]

I can't remember if camels are mentioned in the time of Abraham or we just think they were from movie depictions.



Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say



Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Carbon dating isn't always accurate.
I don't believe atheists anymore.

 

[Sunshine]

I can't remember if camels are mentioned in the time of Abraham or we just think they were from movie depictions.



Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say



Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Camels are mentioned as pack animals in the biblical stories of Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, Old Testament stories that historians peg to between 2000 and 1500 BC. But Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology and Near Eastern Cultures say camels weren’t domesticated in Israel until centuries later, more like 900 BC.

'This anachronism is direct proof that the [Bible's] text was compiled well after the events it describes.'

- American Friends of Tel Aviv University


“In addition to challenging the Bible's historicity, this anachronism is direct proof that the text was compiled well after the events it describes,” reads a press release announcing the research.

To find the first camel, Sapir-Hen and Ben-Yosef used radiocarbon dating to analyze the oldest known camel bones in the Arabian Peninsula, found at the remains of a copper smelting camp in the Aravah Valley, which runs along the border with Jordan from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea.

The bones were in archaeological layers dating from the last third of the 10th century BC or later — centuries after the patriarchs lived and decades after the Kingdom of David, according to the Bible, the researchers said. The few camel bones found in earlier archaeological layers probably belonged to wild camels, which archaeologists think lived there during the Neolithic period or even earlier.

Notably, all the sites active in the 9th century in the Arava Valley had camel bones, but none of the sites that were active earlier contained them.

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Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say | Fox News

Camels look good in Biblical epics.

They are filthy animals.

 

[peach174]

Archaeologists – the real ones, not the kind who love to grab headlines claiming they’ve disproved the Bible – have established that camels were domesticated in Southern Arabia somewhere between 3000 and 2000 BCE, and were definitely in Egypt by 2000 BCE


Do camel bones disprove the Bible? - Phoenix Signs of the Times | Examiner.com

How convenient that these guys left out this little bit of information.

What about other texts besides the Bible that refer to camels?


““Hamilton cites an Alalakh text (18th century B.C.) with ration lists including that of "one (measure of) fodder - camel", the very fact of feeding it seems to imply its domestication or use as a pack animal. Camel bones were also excavated at Mari in an early house possibly dating back to c.2400 B.C.. An 18th century B.C. Byblos relief depicts a kneeling camel further suggesting its domestication and use as a beast of burden.””

 

[tinydancer]

Interesting piece here.

A professor of theology and Hebrew from Illinois has refuted the claims of Israeli archaeologists that camels could not have been used for transportation by Jewish patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because the animals weren't domesticated in Israel until hundreds of years after they lived.

"What these archaeologists are doing… is when they read about somebody like Abraham having camels, they're saying, "Aha! The Bible is saying that camels were widespread in Palestine during this period of time, and there's no archaeological evidence for that," Dr. Andrew Steinmann of Concordia University-Chicago tells Issues, Etc., a Christian radio station.

AND here's the kicker.

"What it is showing is that somebody who originally came from Mesopotamia, like Abraham, he did have some camels," she quotes the professor as saying.

"And then the other mentions of camels in Genesis and in the early part of the Bible have to do with either people related to Abraham that were living in the Arabian Desert (for instance, the Ishmaelites…have camels when they come and buy Joseph and take him down to Egypt), or other peoples like that, associated with the Arabian Desert-the Amalekites…who live on the edge of the Arabian Desert are mentioned a number of times having camels.

But there's no mention of Israelites owning camels…."

Steinmann was also asked about the charge that the new archaeological finding is proof that "someone's been tampering with the text and unwittingly gave themselves away by putting camels in Abraham's possession."

On the contrary, the findings show that Old Testament accounts are "very accurate," the professor responds. "Because they confine it to people from Mesopotamia or the Arabian Peninsula.

If this person was going to give himself away, you would expect [to see] him depicting the Canaanites having camels, or people like that. But he doesn't say the Canaanites or the Phoenicians are making extensive use of camels."

Camels in Genesis Prove Old Testament is 'Very Accurate,' Professor Claims as He Refutes Archaeologists' Findings

 

[orogenicman]

I can't remember if camels are mentioned in the time of Abraham or we just think they were from movie depictions.



Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say



Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Carbon dating isn't always accurate.
I don't believe atheists anymore.

Oh boy, the "I don't believe in science" routine. How fun is that?

Get a life.

 

[emilynghiem]

When I think of Camels referenced in the Bible,
I think of them going through the eye of a needle
more easily than a rich man entering into heaven.

I also heard this passage was taught using misinterpreted and made up language
to mean pushing a camel through a passageway that was too small
meant to unload all one's belongings and push them through separately,
before loading them back on the Camel.

so it was supposed to mean not being ATTACHED to your material goods
so much that you cannot move freely. it did not mean to judge rich people as evil or greedy.

but that it was the ATTACHMENT to the material resources for security,
the coveting or LOVE of money that was the problem, not the money or wealth itself.

the misinterpreted or made up language had to do with
the word needle being interpreted to mean a passageway.

 

[Indeependent]

I can't remember if camels are mentioned in the time of Abraham or we just think they were from movie depictions.



Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say



Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Camels are mentioned as pack animals in the biblical stories of Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, Old Testament stories that historians peg to between 2000 and 1500 BC. But Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology and Near Eastern Cultures say camels weren’t domesticated in Israel until centuries later, more like 900 BC.

'This anachronism is direct proof that the [Bible's] text was compiled well after the events it describes.'

- American Friends of Tel Aviv University


“In addition to challenging the Bible's historicity, this anachronism is direct proof that the text was compiled well after the events it describes,” reads a press release announcing the research.

To find the first camel, Sapir-Hen and Ben-Yosef used radiocarbon dating to analyze the oldest known camel bones in the Arabian Peninsula, found at the remains of a copper smelting camp in the Aravah Valley, which runs along the border with Jordan from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea.

The bones were in archaeological layers dating from the last third of the 10th century BC or later — centuries after the patriarchs lived and decades after the Kingdom of David, according to the Bible, the researchers said. The few camel bones found in earlier archaeological layers probably belonged to wild camels, which archaeologists think lived there during the Neolithic period or even earlier.

Notably, all the sites active in the 9th century in the Arava Valley had camel bones, but none of the sites that were active earlier contained them.

continued

Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say | Fox News

Where DID camels exist during Avraham's lifetime?

 

[whitehall]

You can find archaeologists on the history channel who claim that ET aliens helped the Egyptians build those pointy piles of rocks. So what?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the Bible is mostly a work of fiction anyway

 

[peach174]

I can't remember if camels are mentioned in the time of Abraham or we just think they were from movie depictions.



Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say



Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Camels are mentioned as pack animals in the biblical stories of Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, Old Testament stories that historians peg to between 2000 and 1500 BC. But Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology and Near Eastern Cultures say camels weren’t domesticated in Israel until centuries later, more like 900 BC.

'This anachronism is direct proof that the [Bible's] text was compiled well after the events it describes.'

- American Friends of Tel Aviv University


“In addition to challenging the Bible's historicity, this anachronism is direct proof that the text was compiled well after the events it describes,” reads a press release announcing the research.

To find the first camel, Sapir-Hen and Ben-Yosef used radiocarbon dating to analyze the oldest known camel bones in the Arabian Peninsula, found at the remains of a copper smelting camp in the Aravah Valley, which runs along the border with Jordan from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea.

The bones were in archaeological layers dating from the last third of the 10th century BC or later — centuries after the patriarchs lived and decades after the Kingdom of David, according to the Bible, the researchers said. The few camel bones found in earlier archaeological layers probably belonged to wild camels, which archaeologists think lived there during the Neolithic period or even earlier.

Notably, all the sites active in the 9th century in the Arava Valley had camel bones, but none of the sites that were active earlier contained them.

continued

Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say | Fox News

Where DID camels exist during Avraham's lifetime?

Domesticated Camels was in Mesopotamia (Iraq- 20th century B.C. E.).
Abraham came from Ur which is East of Israel in Mesopotamia. 2,000 B.C.E. - 20th century

Ur Map | Iraq Google Satellite Maps

Abrahams journey

http://www.biblestudy.org/maps/journey-of-abraham-to-promised-land-large-map.gif

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Interesting but really, how is it possible to have an "error" in fiction?





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[emilynghiem]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the Bible is mostly a work of fiction anyway

Hi Don't Taz:
As a secular gentile brought up Buddhist and now Constitutionalist,
I interpret the Bible where it does not rely on anything necessarily religious.

The meaning and message in the Bible is to represent the
shift in human history and spiritual development from
* living by "retributive justice" in the Old Testament
(corruption by the letter of the law to impose "judgment and punishment"
to bring death and destruction)
* to living by "restorative justice" in the New Testament
by the spirit of the laws which is love of truth, love of justice, love of humanity
by forgiveness, seeking justice with mercy by "correction and restitution"
to restore good faith relations and peace and harmony to humanity

if you can understand the forgiveness, healing, restitution and correction
it takes to move from Retributive justice to Restorative Justice
that is the universal process of recovery, from war suffering poverty and all
human ills, to bring lasting peace and justice for all humanity
as represented in the Bible, where "Jesus Christ" represents "Restorative Justice"

the message is universal and all humanity goes through this process
individually, historically and collectively regardless what race or religion we are

 

[emilynghiem]

Interesting but really, how is it possible to have an "error" in fiction?

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ex: Star Wars movie used the term "parsec" to mean a unit of time instead of distance.

Do I win a cookie?