Call Apartheid in Israel by Its Name

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

This is nonsense.

Israeli Jews are starting to see the light. It's as if I wrote the article. LOL

Apartheid South Africa Israel

The non-white citizens The non-Jew citizens
The white citizens The the Jewish citizens
The non-whites of the Bantustans The non-Jews of the Occupied Territories

"Citizenship here is reminiscent of South Africa's in the past: Jews are 'white' citizens, Arabs in Israel have 'colored' (in other words, partial) citizenship; and Palestinians in the territories have 'black' citizenship, without political rights.

In international law, a situation whereby a country appropriates and settles territories outside its sovereign borders is called colonialism. Southern Lebanon was an example of military occupation; the West Bank is an example of colonialism, one that seeks to entrench itself over time while preserving the privileges of the ruling population, and incidentally creating an apartheid regime.
read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion


read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion

(COMMENT)

There is no geo-political relationship between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. They are two separate countries separated by internationally recognized demarcation. The demarcation is recognized and protected the same as a border.

• Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations: Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.
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POINTS RELATIVE TO APARTHIED:

• There are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the International Boundaries separating Israel from Jordan and Egypt. AND there are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the other demarcation lines. Admittedly, the distribution of Jewish Constituents in the adjacent Arab nations is relatively small. In the Gaza Strip the Arab Palestinian is ≈ 97% to 98% of the population; most of whom are Sunni Muslim (nearly 99%). Less than 1% of the Gaza Population is Christian. In the West Bank population is a bit more diverse, with the Arab Palestinian comprising ≈ 80% to 85%, and all others comprising 15% to 20%. However, the ethnic demographics of Israel is a bit more complicated:

View attachment 64248​

Interesting Side Note is that in the 2009 survey, ≈ 20% of the Israeli Population did not believe in the existence of a Supreme Being. In the 2011 Census, Israel consisted of 75.4% Jewish, -- 17.3% Muslim, 2% Christians, and 1.6% Druze. The remaining 3.7% were undefined as others.

By comparing the objective ethnic and cultural dimensions of both the Palestinian Territories to that of Israel, you will find that there is Israel the much more diverse culture.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is only one government in all of Palestine and that is Israel.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

montelatici, et al,

This is nonsense.

Israeli Jews are starting to see the light. It's as if I wrote the article. LOL

Apartheid South Africa Israel

The non-white citizens The non-Jew citizens
The white citizens The the Jewish citizens
The non-whites of the Bantustans The non-Jews of the Occupied Territories

"Citizenship here is reminiscent of South Africa's in the past: Jews are 'white' citizens, Arabs in Israel have 'colored' (in other words, partial) citizenship; and Palestinians in the territories have 'black' citizenship, without political rights.

In international law, a situation whereby a country appropriates and settles territories outside its sovereign borders is called colonialism. Southern Lebanon was an example of military occupation; the West Bank is an example of colonialism, one that seeks to entrench itself over time while preserving the privileges of the ruling population, and incidentally creating an apartheid regime.
read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion


read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion

(COMMENT)

There is no geo-political relationship between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. They are two separate countries separated by internationally recognized demarcation. The demarcation is recognized and protected the same as a border.

• Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations: Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.
​

POINTS RELATIVE TO APARTHIED:

• There are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the International Boundaries separating Israel from Jordan and Egypt. AND there are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the other demarcation lines. Admittedly, the distribution of Jewish Constituents in the adjacent Arab nations is relatively small. In the Gaza Strip the Arab Palestinian is ≈ 97% to 98% of the population; most of whom are Sunni Muslim (nearly 99%). Less than 1% of the Gaza Population is Christian. In the West Bank population is a bit more diverse, with the Arab Palestinian comprising ≈ 80% to 85%, and all others comprising 15% to 20%. However, the ethnic demographics of Israel is a bit more complicated:

View attachment 64248​

Interesting Side Note is that in the 2009 survey, ≈ 20% of the Israeli Population did not believe in the existence of a Supreme Being. In the 2011 Census, Israel consisted of 75.4% Jewish, -- 17.3% Muslim, 2% Christians, and 1.6% Druze. The remaining 3.7% were undefined as others.

By comparing the objective ethnic and cultural dimensions of both the Palestinian Territories to that of Israel, you will find that there is Israel the much more diverse culture.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is only one government in all of Palestine and that is Israel.

What about your heroes, Hamas, in Gaza?

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

This is nonsense.

Israeli Jews are starting to see the light. It's as if I wrote the article. LOL

Apartheid South Africa Israel

The non-white citizens The non-Jew citizens
The white citizens The the Jewish citizens
The non-whites of the Bantustans The non-Jews of the Occupied Territories

"Citizenship here is reminiscent of South Africa's in the past: Jews are 'white' citizens, Arabs in Israel have 'colored' (in other words, partial) citizenship; and Palestinians in the territories have 'black' citizenship, without political rights.

In international law, a situation whereby a country appropriates and settles territories outside its sovereign borders is called colonialism. Southern Lebanon was an example of military occupation; the West Bank is an example of colonialism, one that seeks to entrench itself over time while preserving the privileges of the ruling population, and incidentally creating an apartheid regime.
read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion


read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion

(COMMENT)

There is no geo-political relationship between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. They are two separate countries separated by internationally recognized demarcation. The demarcation is recognized and protected the same as a border.

• Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations: Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.
​

POINTS RELATIVE TO APARTHIED:

• There are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the International Boundaries separating Israel from Jordan and Egypt. AND there are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the other demarcation lines. Admittedly, the distribution of Jewish Constituents in the adjacent Arab nations is relatively small. In the Gaza Strip the Arab Palestinian is ≈ 97% to 98% of the population; most of whom are Sunni Muslim (nearly 99%). Less than 1% of the Gaza Population is Christian. In the West Bank population is a bit more diverse, with the Arab Palestinian comprising ≈ 80% to 85%, and all others comprising 15% to 20%. However, the ethnic demographics of Israel is a bit more complicated:

View attachment 64248​

Interesting Side Note is that in the 2009 survey, ≈ 20% of the Israeli Population did not believe in the existence of a Supreme Being. In the 2011 Census, Israel consisted of 75.4% Jewish, -- 17.3% Muslim, 2% Christians, and 1.6% Druze. The remaining 3.7% were undefined as others.

By comparing the objective ethnic and cultural dimensions of both the Palestinian Territories to that of Israel, you will find that there is Israel the much more diverse culture.

Most Respectfully,
R

use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

Pal'istanian terrorists fit right in that spot that allows them to commit acts of Islamic terrorism across those armistice lines.

The armistice line passes through Palestine. Palestinians were and are living on both sides. What side of the line are Palestinians not allowed to be on?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you look at the agreed upon international boundaries, there was no independently recognized State of Palestine to be considered.

• use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.
​

​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake. You will notice that in Article 3 - International Boundary, of the Treaty of Peace 1994, and Annex I (a) Jordan-Israel International Boundary Delimitation And Demarcation, were as: "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." as an example. While it is assumed that the Treaty is made without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, no separate Treaties have ever been established between Israel and the Palestinians. At the time of the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. In 1988, Jordan took independent and unilateral action when it abandon (terra nullius means "land belonging to nobody.") the West Bank. Israel had sole effective control on 1 August, 1988 when the Jordanian Government "disengaged from the West Bank." (" Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.')

At that time, no other country either demanded or maintained effective control of the West Bank. The idea that the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were "taken from the Arab Palestinians" is 100% erroneous. The Israeli's occupied that land for 20 years + before the Arab Palestinians attempted "self-determination in creating a near failed state (a political entity that has deteriorated to the point where basic responsibilities of a sovereign government are no longer functioning properly).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you look at the agreed upon international boundaries, there was no independently recognized State of Palestine to be considered.

• use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.
​

​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake. You will notice that in Article 3 - International Boundary, of the Treaty of Peace 1994, and Annex I (a) Jordan-Israel International Boundary Delimitation And Demarcation, were as: "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." as an example. While it is assumed that the Treaty is made without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, no separate Treaties have ever been established between Israel and the Palestinians. At the time of the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. In 1988, Jordan took independent and unilateral action when it abandon (terra nullius means "land belonging to nobody.") the West Bank. Israel had sole effective control on 1 August, 1988 when the Jordanian Government "disengaged from the West Bank." (" Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.')

At that time, no other country either demanded or maintained effective control of the West Bank. The idea that the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were "taken from the Arab Palestinians" is 100% erroneous. The Israeli's occupied that land for 20 years + before the Arab Palestinians attempted "self-determination in creating a near failed state (a political entity that has deteriorated to the point where basic responsibilities of a sovereign government are no longer functioning properly).

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake.​

Note: Palestine did have a government during the armistice agreements but it was not a party to the 1948 war.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;\

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

Where do you get that the Palestinians have no territory?

Link?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you look at the agreed upon international boundaries, there was no independently recognized State of Palestine to be considered.

• use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.
​

​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake. You will notice that in Article 3 - International Boundary, of the Treaty of Peace 1994, and Annex I (a) Jordan-Israel International Boundary Delimitation And Demarcation, were as: "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." as an example. While it is assumed that the Treaty is made without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, no separate Treaties have ever been established between Israel and the Palestinians. At the time of the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. In 1988, Jordan took independent and unilateral action when it abandon (terra nullius means "land belonging to nobody.") the West Bank. Israel had sole effective control on 1 August, 1988 when the Jordanian Government "disengaged from the West Bank." (" Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.')

At that time, no other country either demanded or maintained effective control of the West Bank. The idea that the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were "taken from the Arab Palestinians" is 100% erroneous. The Israeli's occupied that land for 20 years + before the Arab Palestinians attempted "self-determination in creating a near failed state (a political entity that has deteriorated to the point where basic responsibilities of a sovereign government are no longer functioning properly).

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake.​

Note: Palestine did have a government during the armistice agreements but it was not a party to the 1948 war.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;\

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

Where do you get that the Palestinians have no territory?

Link?

The Link is Common Sense.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You push this claim quite often.

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you look at the agreed upon international boundaries, there was no independently recognized State of Palestine to be considered.

• use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.
​

​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake. You will notice that in Article 3 - International Boundary, of the Treaty of Peace 1994, and Annex I (a) Jordan-Israel International Boundary Delimitation And Demarcation, were as: "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." as an example. While it is assumed that the Treaty is made without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, no separate Treaties have ever been established between Israel and the Palestinians. At the time of the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. In 1988, Jordan took independent and unilateral action when it abandon (terra nullius means "land belonging to nobody.") the West Bank. Israel had sole effective control on 1 August, 1988 when the Jordanian Government "disengaged from the West Bank." (" Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.')

At that time, no other country either demanded or maintained effective control of the West Bank. The idea that the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were "taken from the Arab Palestinians" is 100% erroneous. The Israeli's occupied that land for 20 years + before the Arab Palestinians attempted "self-determination in creating a near failed state (a political entity that has deteriorated to the point where basic responsibilities of a sovereign government are no longer functioning properly).

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake.​

Note: Palestine did have a government during the armistice agreements but it was not a party to the 1948 war.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;\

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

Where do you get that the Palestinians have no territory?

Link?

(COMMENT)

First, --- ALL peoples everywhere have the right to self-determination. The right to self-determination does not mean that an opposing force has to hand it to the claimant on a silver platter. All peoples have the right to tangible things, like a million dollars. It doesn't mean that a bank has to give it to them as "unearned income." And All Peoples have the right to be happy. It does not mean that we have to hire a clown for them.

Second, --- the right to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty, applies equally to the Jewish People. Just because the Arab Palestinians make a demand, does not mean that the UN Recommendation offered to and accepted by the Jewish People must be void.

Third, --- At the time of the Arab Invasion (15 May 1948) - crossing their individual boundaries into the Successor Government of the UNPC over the territory, there was NO Arab Palestinian Government. The Arab Higher Committee, with no territorial control over anywhere in the Region, acted on behave of the Arab Palestinian. The All Palestine Government was under the protection and control of the Egyptian Occupation Forces in Gaza. The territory of the West Bank was under the control of the Jordanian Occupation. The remainder of the territory, formerly under the Mandate for Palestine, was in Israeli control.

Fourth, --- There are two importance aspects to A/RES/37/43.

• Whatever your interpretation of its meaning, its meaning could not have an effect on event that took place three decades (plus) before the 1982 General Assembly Resolution was created.

According to the Charter of the United Nations, the General Assembly may:

• Consider and approve the United Nations budget and establish the financial assessments of Member States;
• Elect the non-permanent members of the Security Council and the members of other United Nations councils and organs and, on the recommendation of the Security Council, appoint the Secretary-General;
• Consider and make recommendations on the general principles of cooperation for maintaining international peace and security, including disarmament;
• Discuss any question relating to international peace and security and, except where a dispute or situation is currently being discussed by the Security Council, make recommendations on it;
• Discuss, with the same exception, and make recommendations on any questions within the scope of the Charter or affecting the powers and functions of any organ of the United Nations;
• Initiate studies and make recommendations to promote international political cooperation, the development and codification of international law, the realization of human rights and fundamental freedoms, and international collaboration in the economic, social, humanitarian, cultural, educational and health fields;
• Make recommendations for the peaceful settlement of any situation that might impair friendly relations among nations;
• Consider reports from the Security Council and other United Nations organs.

But a Generalized Resolution is not Law; and must go through a specific process.​

• Since when did the General Assembly Resolution on the Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination... December 1982, go into law? That is right, it did not. It is a variation on a theme found in Article I of the UN Charter (self-determination). And that did not specifically apply to the Question of Palestine, in that, the Charter is not clairvoyant --- written by seer who publishing the Charter as a collections of prophecies. No claim was made by any Arab Authority that one of the Allied Powers was acting as a colonial power using the Jewish people as a proxy. And the Jewish Agency, to which the​

Finally, --- The Palestinians had no direct control of any territory in a stand-alone fashion. The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission. Israel was controlled by Israel. The West Bank was controlled by Jordan; and the Gaza Strip was controlled by the Egyptian Government through the All Palestine Government (established by 22 September 1948 and dissolved in 1959 by the Egyptian Government). The Jewish Agency may have been described as a recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine, it was not a foreign government or Colonial Power within the Allied Powers.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You push this claim quite often.

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you look at the agreed upon international boundaries, there was no independently recognized State of Palestine to be considered.

• use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.
​

​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake. You will notice that in Article 3 - International Boundary, of the Treaty of Peace 1994, and Annex I (a) Jordan-Israel International Boundary Delimitation And Demarcation, were as: "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." as an example. While it is assumed that the Treaty is made without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, no separate Treaties have ever been established between Israel and the Palestinians. At the time of the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. In 1988, Jordan took independent and unilateral action when it abandon (terra nullius means "land belonging to nobody.") the West Bank. Israel had sole effective control on 1 August, 1988 when the Jordanian Government "disengaged from the West Bank." (" Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.')

At that time, no other country either demanded or maintained effective control of the West Bank. The idea that the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were "taken from the Arab Palestinians" is 100% erroneous. The Israeli's occupied that land for 20 years + before the Arab Palestinians attempted "self-determination in creating a near failed state (a political entity that has deteriorated to the point where basic responsibilities of a sovereign government are no longer functioning properly).

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake.​

Note: Palestine did have a government during the armistice agreements but it was not a party to the 1948 war.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;\

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

Where do you get that the Palestinians have no territory?

Link?

(COMMENT)

First, --- ALL peoples everywhere have the right to self-determination. The right to self-determination does not mean that an opposing force has to hand it to the claimant on a silver platter. All peoples have the right to tangible things, like a million dollars. It doesn't mean that a bank has to give it to them as "unearned income." And All Peoples have the right to be happy. It does not mean that we have to hire a clown for them.

Second, --- the right to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty, applies equally to the Jewish People. Just because the Arab Palestinians make a demand, does not mean that the UN Recommendation offered to and accepted by the Jewish People must be void.

Third, --- At the time of the Arab Invasion (15 May 1948) - crossing their individual boundaries into the Successor Government of the UNPC over the territory, there was NO Arab Palestinian Government. The Arab Higher Committee, with no territorial control over anywhere in the Region, acted on behave of the Arab Palestinian. The All Palestine Government was under the protection and control of the Egyptian Occupation Forces in Gaza. The territory of the West Bank was under the control of the Jordanian Occupation. The remainder of the territory, formerly under the Mandate for Palestine, was in Israeli control.

Fourth, --- There are two importance aspects to A/RES/37/43.

• Whatever your interpretation of its meaning, its meaning could not have an effect on event that took place three decades (plus) before the 1982 General Assembly Resolution was created.

According to the Charter of the United Nations, the General Assembly may:

• Consider and approve the United Nations budget and establish the financial assessments of Member States;
• Elect the non-permanent members of the Security Council and the members of other United Nations councils and organs and, on the recommendation of the Security Council, appoint the Secretary-General;
• Consider and make recommendations on the general principles of cooperation for maintaining international peace and security, including disarmament;
• Discuss any question relating to international peace and security and, except where a dispute or situation is currently being discussed by the Security Council, make recommendations on it;
• Discuss, with the same exception, and make recommendations on any questions within the scope of the Charter or affecting the powers and functions of any organ of the United Nations;
• Initiate studies and make recommendations to promote international political cooperation, the development and codification of international law, the realization of human rights and fundamental freedoms, and international collaboration in the economic, social, humanitarian, cultural, educational and health fields;
• Make recommendations for the peaceful settlement of any situation that might impair friendly relations among nations;
• Consider reports from the Security Council and other United Nations organs.

But a Generalized Resolution is not Law; and must go through a specific process.​

• Since when did the General Assembly Resolution on the Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination... December 1982, go into law? That is right, it did not. It is a variation on a theme found in Article I of the UN Charter (self-determination). And that did not specifically apply to the Question of Palestine, in that, the Charter is not clairvoyant --- written by seer who publishing the Charter as a collections of prophecies. No claim was made by any Arab Authority that one of the Allied Powers was acting as a colonial power using the Jewish people as a proxy. And the Jewish Agency, to which the​

Finally, --- The Palestinians had no direct control of any territory in a stand-alone fashion. The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission. Israel was controlled by Israel. The West Bank was controlled by Jordan; and the Gaza Strip was controlled by the Egyptian Government through the All Palestine Government (established by 22 September 1948 and dissolved in 1959 by the Egyptian Government). The Jewish Agency may have been described as a recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine, it was not a foreign government or Colonial Power within the Allied Powers.

Most Respectfully,
R

Finally, --- The Palestinians had no direct control of any territory in a stand-alone fashion.​

Of course that is a meaningless statement. That is not a requirement for the inalienable rights of a people.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence,​

Do you have a document for the right to self determination of the Jews?

 

[Shusha]

Do you have a document for the right to self determination of the Jews?

Wait, what?! Aren't you the one who keeps arguing for the inalienable rights to self-determination? Does this not apply to Jews?

 

[Boston1]

If we are going to call the accusation of apartheid in Israel by its real name we'd be using the term BULL SHIT a lot.

There is no similarity between the restrictions the pali's bring on themselves and the SA institution of apartheid.

 

[Billo_Really]

There is no difference between Jew and Non-Jew in Israel.

Again, pro-Palestinians and their lies.

You want to be recognized as the Jewish State.

You don't get more apartheid than that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you have a document for the right to self determination of the Jews?

Wait, what?! Aren't you the one who keeps arguing for the inalienable rights to self-determination? Does this not apply to Jews?

There are multiple UN resolutions and other documents expressing the inalienable right of the Palestinian's to self determination.

I haven't seen any for the Jews. That is why I asked.

 

[Phoenall]

Nada Elia: Confronting Apartheid

And where is your evidence of apartheid taking place in Israel then. Still waiting for the examples of muslims being denied access to water, housing, and representation. Are you confusing what happens in Palestine with what happens in Israel again ?

 

[Phoenall]

Arab apartheid / Muslim apartheid vs Israel democracy :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

Arab apartheid / Muslim apartheid are the largest 'apartheid systems', that exist today.

Virtually all non-Arabs and/or non-Muslims are second class citizens. Among minorities that feel the wrath of the bigoted Arab-Muslim world are:

* Berbers (native N. Africans, before Arab invasion: Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco).

* Copts (indigenous Egyptians suffer from both: Arab racism and Islamic bigotry).

* Kurds (Examples include: [Saddam's] Iraq and Syria.

* Blacks, in Arab lands or in Arab ruled Africa like the genocide in the Sudan and slavery in both Sudan and in Mauritania.

* Asians, particularly in the Gulf Arab states. [Sex slaves or "plain" slaves).

* Maronites-Christians [Native Lebanese] suffer from both Arab ethnic racism and religious bigotry, like the massacres in the 1970s by local Muslims and by Palestinian/Syrian forces.

* Assyrians, are/have been persecuted both racially and religiously. Still very much marginalized in Iraq, for example.

* Iran is not an Arab country but racism is huge against Kurds, Jews, Turkmens, etc. So is anti-non-Muslim bigotry against Christians, Bahai, Zoroastrians and other in the Islamic republic.

* Turkey is also a Muslim non-Arab country and Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other ethnicities have been through much suffering, genocide. Still there's great wide racism against non-Turkish ethnic groups including racism against Alevis and against Kurds. Turkey's policy in Cyprus has also been recognized as a real Apartheid by many. All non-Muslims are automatically branded as "foreigners" at the "moderate" Islamic supremacy of Turkey.

* Chinese, Indians, Christians and other non-Malay, in Malaysia; Chinese, Christians in Indonesia, have long been subject to persecution, race-riots, discrimination, racism and bloodshed.

* Non-Muslims or the 'wrong kind of Muslims,' in Pakistan; Iraq; Afghanistan, are oppressed and targeted in deadly attacks.

* All non-Msulims in 'Islamic Apartheid state' of S. Arabia.

Nice deflection.

How is it a deflection when it deals with apartheid practises and shows where the real apartheid is

 

[Phoenall]

Arab apartheid / Muslim apartheid vs Israel democracy :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

Arab apartheid / Muslim apartheid are the largest 'apartheid systems', that exist today.

Virtually all non-Arabs and/or non-Muslims are second class citizens. Among minorities that feel the wrath of the bigoted Arab-Muslim world are:

* Berbers (native N. Africans, before Arab invasion: Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco).

* Copts (indigenous Egyptians suffer from both: Arab racism and Islamic bigotry).

* Kurds (Examples include: [Saddam's] Iraq and Syria.

* Blacks, in Arab lands or in Arab ruled Africa like the genocide in the Sudan and slavery in both Sudan and in Mauritania.

* Asians, particularly in the Gulf Arab states. [Sex slaves or "plain" slaves).

* Maronites-Christians [Native Lebanese] suffer from both Arab ethnic racism and religious bigotry, like the massacres in the 1970s by local Muslims and by Palestinian/Syrian forces.

* Assyrians, are/have been persecuted both racially and religiously. Still very much marginalized in Iraq, for example.

* Iran is not an Arab country but racism is huge against Kurds, Jews, Turkmens, etc. So is anti-non-Muslim bigotry against Christians, Bahai, Zoroastrians and other in the Islamic republic.

* Turkey is also a Muslim non-Arab country and Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other ethnicities have been through much suffering, genocide. Still there's great wide racism against non-Turkish ethnic groups including racism against Alevis and against Kurds. Turkey's policy in Cyprus has also been recognized as a real Apartheid by many. All non-Muslims are automatically branded as "foreigners" at the "moderate" Islamic supremacy of Turkey.

* Chinese, Indians, Christians and other non-Malay, in Malaysia; Chinese, Christians in Indonesia, have long been subject to persecution, race-riots, discrimination, racism and bloodshed.

* Non-Muslims or the 'wrong kind of Muslims,' in Pakistan; Iraq; Afghanistan, are oppressed and targeted in deadly attacks.

* All non-Msulims in 'Islamic Apartheid state' of S. Arabia.

Nice deflection.

You're just offended to be called out for defending the bigotry, fascism and apartheid societies that define arab'ism/Islamism.

None of that in Palestine, huh?

Plenty of it in Palestine coming from the arab muslims, none in Israel. Or have you forgotten the arab muslim charters that call for the death of all Jews in Palestine already.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

This is nonsense.

Israeli Jews are starting to see the light. It's as if I wrote the article. LOL

Apartheid South Africa Israel

The non-white citizens The non-Jew citizens
The white citizens The the Jewish citizens
The non-whites of the Bantustans The non-Jews of the Occupied Territories

"Citizenship here is reminiscent of South Africa's in the past: Jews are 'white' citizens, Arabs in Israel have 'colored' (in other words, partial) citizenship; and Palestinians in the territories have 'black' citizenship, without political rights.

In international law, a situation whereby a country appropriates and settles territories outside its sovereign borders is called colonialism. Southern Lebanon was an example of military occupation; the West Bank is an example of colonialism, one that seeks to entrench itself over time while preserving the privileges of the ruling population, and incidentally creating an apartheid regime.
read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion


read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion

(COMMENT)

There is no geo-political relationship between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. They are two separate countries separated by internationally recognized demarcation. The demarcation is recognized and protected the same as a border.

• Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations: Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.
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POINTS RELATIVE TO APARTHIED:

• There are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the International Boundaries separating Israel from Jordan and Egypt. AND there are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the other demarcation lines. Admittedly, the distribution of Jewish Constituents in the adjacent Arab nations is relatively small. In the Gaza Strip the Arab Palestinian is ≈ 97% to 98% of the population; most of whom are Sunni Muslim (nearly 99%). Less than 1% of the Gaza Population is Christian. In the West Bank population is a bit more diverse, with the Arab Palestinian comprising ≈ 80% to 85%, and all others comprising 15% to 20%. However, the ethnic demographics of Israel is a bit more complicated:

View attachment 64248​

Interesting Side Note is that in the 2009 survey, ≈ 20% of the Israeli Population did not believe in the existence of a Supreme Being. In the 2011 Census, Israel consisted of 75.4% Jewish, -- 17.3% Muslim, 2% Christians, and 1.6% Druze. The remaining 3.7% were undefined as others.

By comparing the objective ethnic and cultural dimensions of both the Palestinian Territories to that of Israel, you will find that there is Israel the much more diverse culture.

Most Respectfully,
R

use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

As Jordanian of course as Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988. The armistice was signed in 1967 between the Israelis and the Jordanian Palestinians.

 

[Phoenall]

There is no difference between Jew and Non-Jew in Israel.

Again, pro-Palestinians and their lies.

You want to be recognized as the Jewish State.

You don't get more apartheid than that.

When you realise that this is what the LoN and the UN called Israel before it was created then it is only fair. Then when you realise that the UN entered Israel as the Jewish state in 1949 then it is only fair that the other UN nations should recognise Israel as such.

Only Jew haters see anything wrong in Israel being the Jewish state, as it gives them just that little bit more legitimacy.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you have a document for the right to self determination of the Jews?

Wait, what?! Aren't you the one who keeps arguing for the inalienable rights to self-determination? Does this not apply to Jews?

There are multiple UN resolutions and other documents expressing the inalienable right of the Palestinian's to self determination.

I haven't seen any for the Jews. That is why I asked.

Because they apply to all nations and not just Palestine. So when will the Palestinians take the next baby step to full self determination and become a nation standing on its own two feet ?

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

This is nonsense.

Israeli Jews are starting to see the light. It's as if I wrote the article. LOL

Apartheid South Africa Israel

The non-white citizens The non-Jew citizens
The white citizens The the Jewish citizens
The non-whites of the Bantustans The non-Jews of the Occupied Territories

"Citizenship here is reminiscent of South Africa's in the past: Jews are 'white' citizens, Arabs in Israel have 'colored' (in other words, partial) citizenship; and Palestinians in the territories have 'black' citizenship, without political rights.

In international law, a situation whereby a country appropriates and settles territories outside its sovereign borders is called colonialism. Southern Lebanon was an example of military occupation; the West Bank is an example of colonialism, one that seeks to entrench itself over time while preserving the privileges of the ruling population, and incidentally creating an apartheid regime.
read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion


read more: Call apartheid in Israel by its name - Opinion

(COMMENT)

There is no geo-political relationship between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. They are two separate countries separated by internationally recognized demarcation. The demarcation is recognized and protected the same as a border.

• Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations: Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.
​

POINTS RELATIVE TO APARTHIED:

• There are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the International Boundaries separating Israel from Jordan and Egypt. AND there are both Jewish Constituents and non-Jewish Constituents on both sides of the other demarcation lines. Admittedly, the distribution of Jewish Constituents in the adjacent Arab nations is relatively small. In the Gaza Strip the Arab Palestinian is ≈ 97% to 98% of the population; most of whom are Sunni Muslim (nearly 99%). Less than 1% of the Gaza Population is Christian. In the West Bank population is a bit more diverse, with the Arab Palestinian comprising ≈ 80% to 85%, and all others comprising 15% to 20%. However, the ethnic demographics of Israel is a bit more complicated:

View attachment 64248​

Interesting Side Note is that in the 2009 survey, ≈ 20% of the Israeli Population did not believe in the existence of a Supreme Being. In the 2011 Census, Israel consisted of 75.4% Jewish, -- 17.3% Muslim, 2% Christians, and 1.6% Druze. The remaining 3.7% were undefined as others.

By comparing the objective ethnic and cultural dimensions of both the Palestinian Territories to that of Israel, you will find that there is Israel the much more diverse culture.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is only one government in all of Palestine and that is Israel.

WRONG AGAIN as you also have Jordan and the P.A. Just that you wont accept that Jordan is part of Palestine and that the P.A. is refusing to hold elections. According to the UN the P.A. represents the Palestinians in the UN, or do you want the UN to kick them out ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you look at the agreed upon international boundaries, there was no independently recognized State of Palestine to be considered.

• use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.
​

​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake. You will notice that in Article 3 - International Boundary, of the Treaty of Peace 1994, and Annex I (a) Jordan-Israel International Boundary Delimitation And Demarcation, were as: "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." as an example. While it is assumed that the Treaty is made without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, no separate Treaties have ever been established between Israel and the Palestinians. At the time of the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. In 1988, Jordan took independent and unilateral action when it abandon (terra nullius means "land belonging to nobody.") the West Bank. Israel had sole effective control on 1 August, 1988 when the Jordanian Government "disengaged from the West Bank." (" Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.')

At that time, no other country either demanded or maintained effective control of the West Bank. The idea that the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were "taken from the Arab Palestinians" is 100% erroneous. The Israeli's occupied that land for 20 years + before the Arab Palestinians attempted "self-determination in creating a near failed state (a political entity that has deteriorated to the point where basic responsibilities of a sovereign government are no longer functioning properly).

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake.​

Note: Palestine did have a government during the armistice agreements but it was not a party to the 1948 war.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;\

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

Where do you get that the Palestinians have no territory?

Link?

Once again you are trying to use resolutions retrospectively and as International laws. The link was from 1982 which was 15 years after the armistice negotiations and 6 years before the declaration of the Palestinian state

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you look at the agreed upon international boundaries, there was no independently recognized State of Palestine to be considered.

• use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.
​

​

The armistice line specified that Jordanian and Israeli forces cannot cross.

Where do Palestinians fit in here?

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake. You will notice that in Article 3 - International Boundary, of the Treaty of Peace 1994, and Annex I (a) Jordan-Israel International Boundary Delimitation And Demarcation, were as: "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." as an example. While it is assumed that the Treaty is made without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, no separate Treaties have ever been established between Israel and the Palestinians. At the time of the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. In 1988, Jordan took independent and unilateral action when it abandon (terra nullius means "land belonging to nobody.") the West Bank. Israel had sole effective control on 1 August, 1988 when the Jordanian Government "disengaged from the West Bank." (" Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.')

At that time, no other country either demanded or maintained effective control of the West Bank. The idea that the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were "taken from the Arab Palestinians" is 100% erroneous. The Israeli's occupied that land for 20 years + before the Arab Palestinians attempted "self-determination in creating a near failed state (a political entity that has deteriorated to the point where basic responsibilities of a sovereign government are no longer functioning properly).

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, that is interesting. The Arab Palestinians, not being a state or recognized government, were not a party to a conflict and did not have a sovereign territory at stake.​

Note: Palestine did have a government during the armistice agreements but it was not a party to the 1948 war.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to
self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national
unity and sovereignty without outside interference;\

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

Where do you get that the Palestinians have no territory?

Link?

LoN mandate for starters, then the UN that turned down their illegal attempt at stealing Israel that had been declared months earlier. So where do you get the impression that Palestine existed as a state prior to 1988, when no treaty stated any such thing