California will be nuclear free and lead the way

[Skull Pilot]

I hope that the rest of the country comes to its senses and realize like California that renewables are a far better solution than nuclear.

California Goes Nuclear Free As Diablo Canyon Closes In Favor Of Renewables

California Goes Nuclear Free As Diablo Canyon Closes In Favor Of Renewables
June 22nd, 2016
By Joshua S. Hill

California, the world’s sixth largest economy, has announced it will go nuclear free as it replaces the Diablo Canyon nuclear reactors with renewable energy.

Californian utility PG&E announced a Joint Proposal with labor and leading environmental organizations this week that intends to increase investment in energy efficiency, renewables, and energy storage, beyondcurrent state mandates, while at the same time phasing out nuclear power in California by 2025. Specifically, PG&E announced that it intends to replace the two nuclear reactors at Diablo Canyon with “a cost-effective, greenhouse gas free portfolio of energy efficiency, renewables, and energy storage.” ...

The Joint Proposal also includes a commitment from PG&E to a 55% renewable energy target in 2031, a legitimately “unprecedented voluntary commitment by a major US energy company.”

You don't seem to understand that nuclear is our best option for abundant reliable emission free power

New reactors are the very definition of renewable as they can reclaim what is now considered spent fuel
Molten salt reactor will actually burn the nuclear waste we have stockpiled

funny how all you people say you're all for science and technology but one of the pinnacles of science and technology is nuclear power

 

[Old Rocks]

Did Tesla Just Kill Nuclear Power?

“At about ten ‘o’clock tonight he’s going to hold a press conference and he’s going to announce that he’s going to build industrial scale storage batteries. While the announcement is still two hours away, it appears that they’ll be able to produce these large batteries for about 2¢ per kilowatt hour. That’s an enormous breakthrough,” Gundersen said.

“So the nuclear argument that they’re the only 24-7 source is off the table now because Elon Musk has convinced me that industrial scale storage is in fact possible, and it’s here.”

And a few hours later Musk announced the launch of Tesla Energy, ”a suite of batteries for homes, businesses, and utilities fostering a clean energy ecosystem and helping wean the world off fossil fuels.” Many had anticipated the batteries—but not the price.

Tesla will sell the home battery, the Tesla Powerwall, for $3,500, a fraction of the $13,000 price observers had expected, and perhaps more importantly, a fraction of the cost of the $10,000 battery announced earlier this week by European competitors Sungevity and Sonnenbatterie.

Musk did not describe the cost of the utility-scale battery, but the prospect of a cheap new battery powered Gundersen’s economic argument as he collegially set out to demolish the nuclear claim:

The UK government just signed an agreement guaranteeing a price of 16 cents per kilowatt hour for power generated by a reactor proposed for Hinkley Point, on the coast at Somerset, England. That fresh contract represents an example, Gundersen argued, of the market price of new nuclear power.

Tesla has announced that the grid scale batteries will cost $250 per kw/hr , that is $100 below the cost at which the storage become viable economically. That is not Tesla's estimate on the viable cost, but that of Oncor, the largest utility in Texas.

 

[bodecea]

California is bankrupt. Broke, does anybody know how much money California owes? California is dying, and a big part of that is the energy policy. Replacing Nuclear power with wind and solar and batteries, will cost trillions of dollars, the entire nation will have to foot the bill.

I see you know nothing about California.....of course, you showed that with your silly thread about CA having no drought.

 

[bodecea]

I hope that the rest of the country comes to its senses and realize like California that renewables are a far better solution than nuclear.

California Goes Nuclear Free As Diablo Canyon Closes In Favor Of Renewables

California Goes Nuclear Free As Diablo Canyon Closes In Favor Of Renewables
June 22nd, 2016
By Joshua S. Hill

California, the world’s sixth largest economy, has announced it will go nuclear free as it replaces the Diablo Canyon nuclear reactors with renewable energy.

Californian utility PG&E announced a Joint Proposal with labor and leading environmental organizations this week that intends to increase investment in energy efficiency, renewables, and energy storage, beyondcurrent state mandates, while at the same time phasing out nuclear power in California by 2025. Specifically, PG&E announced that it intends to replace the two nuclear reactors at Diablo Canyon with “a cost-effective, greenhouse gas free portfolio of energy efficiency, renewables, and energy storage.” ...

The Joint Proposal also includes a commitment from PG&E to a 55% renewable energy target in 2031, a legitimately “unprecedented voluntary commitment by a major US energy company.”

You don't seem to understand that nuclear is our best option for abundant reliable emission free power

New reactors are the very definition of renewable as they can reclaim what is now considered spent fuel
Molten salt reactor will actually burn the nuclear waste we have stockpiled

funny how all you people say you're all for science and technology but one of the pinnacles of science and technology is nuclear power

I don't have a problem with nuclear power...but they need to do it right. It’s not just the steam generators that failed

 

[Old Rocks]

There are new technologies coming online that are far safer, and much less expensive than nuclear. And that will be what ultimetely ends nuclear.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There are new technologies coming online that are far safer, and much less expensive than nuclear. And that will be what ultimetely ends nuclear.

That only work half the time

or that only produce less than 30% of their rated capacity

nuclear works all the time and produces nearly 90% of its rated capacity and that;s only because they intentionally run reactors slightly under maximum

most of the cost of nuclear is regulatory and new reactors do not need huge tracts of land and large water supplies to work. Nor do they need huge and expensive concrete and steel containment domes

 

[there4eyeM]

If the danger of a technology, such as nuclear power, can be resolved through 'engineering', why would one not think that the same would apply to the present challenges of more general application of renewables?
If you walk away from a windmill or a solar panel, leaving it to itself, what danger does it present long term? If terrorists attack a solar farm or wind power 'farm', what would happen other than the loss of the electricity?
When nukes centralize power, electrically, economically and politically, how can we decentralize and localize, and, thus, harmonize, society?
What is gained by propagandizing for big business and big government?
It is so much more interesting and innovative to develop the new technologies related to solar that the 'techies' attached to nukes seem confusing.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If the danger of a technology, such as nuclear power, can be resolved through 'engineering', why would one not think that the same would apply to the present challenges of more general application of renewables?
If you walk away from a windmill or a solar panel, leaving it to itself, what danger does it present long term? If terrorists attack a solar farm or wind power 'farm', what would happen other than the loss of the electricity?
When nukes centralize power, electrically, economically and politically, how can we decentralize and localize, and, thus, harmonize, society?
What is gained by propagandizing for big business and big government?
It is so much more interesting and innovative to develop the new technologies related to solar that the 'techies' attached to nukes seem confusing.

Molten salt reactors and IF reactors are self limiting and will shut themselves down if you walk away from them

 

[there4eyeM]

If the danger of a technology, such as nuclear power, can be resolved through 'engineering', why would one not think that the same would apply to the present challenges of more general application of renewables?
If you walk away from a windmill or a solar panel, leaving it to itself, what danger does it present long term? If terrorists attack a solar farm or wind power 'farm', what would happen other than the loss of the electricity?
When nukes centralize power, electrically, economically and politically, how can we decentralize and localize, and, thus, harmonize, society?
What is gained by propagandizing for big business and big government?
It is so much more interesting and innovative to develop the new technologies related to solar that the 'techies' attached to nukes seem confusing.

Molten salt reactors and IF reactors are self limiting and will shut themselves down if you walk away from them

Perhaps, but the radioactive materials remain with no guarantees as to their destiny.

 

[jon_berzerk]

rolling brown outs how fun

 

[elektra]

California is bankrupt. Broke, does anybody know how much money California owes? California is dying, and a big part of that is the energy policy. Replacing Nuclear power with wind and solar and batteries, will cost trillions of dollars, the entire nation will have to foot the bill.

I see you know nothing about California.....of course, you showed that with your silly thread about CA having no drought.

How much does California owe? How much has California spent on Wind and Solar, seeings how you know about California, you should be able to answer quickly, with nice concise figures. I say you are all mouth and no nothing about anything. So, go ahead, show everyone how much you know and answer the questions.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

California is bankrupt. Broke, does anybody know how much money California owes? California is dying, and a big part of that is the energy policy. Replacing Nuclear power with wind and solar and batteries, will cost trillions of dollars, the entire nation will have to foot the bill.

I see you know nothing about California.....of course, you showed that with your silly thread about CA having no drought.

I live in California, and have lived here for nearly all of my life. As far as I can tell, what elektra has said is spot-on. This is a state that is being economically killed, by very bad political and economic policies, including gross mismanagement of water and energy supplies.

 

[Old Rocks]

California surpasses France as world's sixth-largest economy

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California is now the sixth-largest economy in the world, surpassing France, thanks to a robust state economy and strong U.S. dollar.

California was the world's eighth-largest economy in 2014, Irena Asmundson, chief economist of the California Department of Finance, said in a phone interview on Friday. "California did exceptionally well in 2015."

France is the world's seventh-largest economy with a growth domestic product of $2.42 trillion (£1.69 trillion), and India is the eighth-largest with $2.09 trillion, according to the latest International Monetary Fund data.

California is home to diverse strong economies, including Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Manufacturing and agriculture have performed well despite a severe drought, Asmundson said.

The most populous U.S. state has outpaced the rest of the country on job growth, California's finance department said in its June bulletin this week. Gross state product was $2.46 trillion in 2015, with 4.1 percent of growth in real terms, it added.

U.S. gross domestic product grew by 2.4 percent in 2015. Growth slowed to 0.8 percent in the first quarter of 2016.

Looks like California is doing quite well. Of course, stiff competition for jobs, so natural born losers will continue to lose.

 

[elektra]

California surpasses France as world's sixth-largest economy

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California is now the sixth-largest economy in the world, surpassing France, thanks to a robust state economy and strong U.S. dollar.

California was the world's eighth-largest economy in 2014, Irena Asmundson, chief economist of the California Department of Finance, said in a phone interview on Friday. "California did exceptionally well in 2015."

France is the world's seventh-largest economy with a growth domestic product of $2.42 trillion (£1.69 trillion), and India is the eighth-largest with $2.09 trillion, according to the latest International Monetary Fund data.

California is home to diverse strong economies, including Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Manufacturing and agriculture have performed well despite a severe drought, Asmundson said.

The most populous U.S. state has outpaced the rest of the country on job growth, California's finance department said in its June bulletin this week. Gross state product was $2.46 trillion in 2015, with 4.1 percent of growth in real terms, it added.

U.S. gross domestic product grew by 2.4 percent in 2015. Growth slowed to 0.8 percent in the first quarter of 2016.

Looks like California is doing quite well. Of course, stiff competition for jobs, so natural born losers will continue to lose.

So you agree, california is not suffering drought.

 

[Old Rocks]

California surpasses France as world's sixth-largest economy

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California is now the sixth-largest economy in the world, surpassing France, thanks to a robust state economy and strong U.S. dollar.

California was the world's eighth-largest economy in 2014, Irena Asmundson, chief economist of the California Department of Finance, said in a phone interview on Friday. "California did exceptionally well in 2015."

France is the world's seventh-largest economy with a growth domestic product of $2.42 trillion (£1.69 trillion), and India is the eighth-largest with $2.09 trillion, according to the latest International Monetary Fund data.

California is home to diverse strong economies, including Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Manufacturing and agriculture have performed well despite a severe drought, Asmundson said.

The most populous U.S. state has outpaced the rest of the country on job growth, California's finance department said in its June bulletin this week. Gross state product was $2.46 trillion in 2015, with 4.1 percent of growth in real terms, it added.

U.S. gross domestic product grew by 2.4 percent in 2015. Growth slowed to 0.8 percent in the first quarter of 2016.

Looks like California is doing quite well. Of course, stiff competition for jobs, so natural born losers will continue to lose.

So you agree, california is not suffering drought.

Do you agree that you have not learned to read yet.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I don't like shutting down nuclear as that means a hell of a lot more coal, natural gas and other fossil fuels being used for power.

 

[elektra]

I don't like shutting down nuclear as that means a hell of a lot more coal, natural gas and other fossil fuels being used for power.

This is your best post

 

[elektra]

California surpasses France as world's sixth-largest economy

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California is now the sixth-largest economy in the world, surpassing France, thanks to a robust state economy and strong U.S. dollar.

California was the world's eighth-largest economy in 2014, Irena Asmundson, chief economist of the California Department of Finance, said in a phone interview on Friday. "California did exceptionally well in 2015."

France is the world's seventh-largest economy with a growth domestic product of $2.42 trillion (£1.69 trillion), and India is the eighth-largest with $2.09 trillion, according to the latest International Monetary Fund data.

California is home to diverse strong economies, including Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Manufacturing and agriculture have performed well despite a severe drought, Asmundson said.

The most populous U.S. state has outpaced the rest of the country on job growth, California's finance department said in its June bulletin this week. Gross state product was $2.46 trillion in 2015, with 4.1 percent of growth in real terms, it added.

U.S. gross domestic product grew by 2.4 percent in 2015. Growth slowed to 0.8 percent in the first quarter of 2016.

Looks like California is doing quite well. Of course, stiff competition for jobs, so natural born losers will continue to lose.

So you agree, california is not suffering drought.

Do you agree that you have not learned to read yet.

You have claimed that California is suffering from drought yet you just posted that California has done better, during a supposed drought, thanks for confirming what we all know, California is not suffering drought.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

If there is a widespread power outage across an entire region, many nuclear power plants will be forced to use back-up generators. What no one I have seen has ever answered is how many generators do they have and how big are they? Do they have enough fuel to run them, during an extended and greatly prolonged power outage? I doubt their generators are anywhere near adequate enough.

 

[ScienceRocks]

It is called going backwards on any progress of lowering our co2 emissions. This is dumb.