California not suffering, drought?

[elektra]

But feel free to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the drought doesn't matter--just be careful. When the rains do come again, the soil will be more prone to flooding, and you might get washed away.

(1) The record crop growth was last year, which is 2013. In other words...before the drought. So the OP article is irrelevant to what this year's crop yield will be, which is not yet known because the year is not over, and which will most definitely be less than 2013.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day. The drought is very real and very serious, regardless of the validity of global warming.

(3) The above two points are all that needs to be said in this thread.

Last year, 2013, is before the drought that has been going on since the end 2011?

The drought did not begin state-wide at the end of 2011, nor were there serious drought conditions in the region that grows grapes. As to the article I am responding to, the wine region in reference was not in drought at all in the first half of 2013, but in fact was even wetter than the prior year (hence the higher crop yields). Only at the end of 2013 did it even begin to experience any significant levels of drought, and by that time the grapes had already been harvested (harvesting season for grapes is around August).
192 drought maps reveal just how thirsty California has become - LA Times

Conditions began to worsen across the state towards the end of 2013, and the state of emergency was declared January of this year. Sorry, but your grape example doesn't discount anything. It only shows you are misinformed.

My OP specifically states we are not suffering, we are setting records in agriculture as well as water preservation. We celebrated a record grape harvest during the current drought, hardly suffering.

We did not suffer record grape harvest during the current drought, as proven above. Water preservation is in response to the drought, and it is completely bizarre that the fact people are using less water is somehow evidence in your mind that the drought is having no effect--that is exactly the effect you would expect a drought to have.

You live here, big deal, I live here as well and see it with my own eyes, the shutting down of two nuclear power plants, less energy means less energy to pump water.

How naive you are to believe that the media and the government actually tell the complete truth.

Is there one story, is there one news report, are there any politicians discussing the impact of trying to pump water after shutting down two nuclear reactors?

What about the impact of pumping water with Green Energy? Is it even possible?

I do not trust the government nor the media.

Try reading Cadillac desert and watching Chinatown, then take a look at your drought stricken state.

I don't trust the government or the media either. But that doesn't mean everything they say is automatically false. The reality is that CA is suffering a very serious drought, and that drought is having an impact on agriculture and regions used to higher levels of water across the statement. Even up in the mountains snow levels were so low that many ski resorts lost big money.

But feel free to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the drought doesn't matter--just be careful. When the rains do come again, the soil will be more prone to flooding, and you might get washed away.

Another thought, about you projecting, a little proof that ShackledNation(brain) has his head in the sand. Just for the fun of it.

When the, "rains do come"? "flooding"?, "you may get washed away"? The rains did come, someone did get washed away and died, so how can you make the statement, "when the rains do come again". After all, ShakledNation(brain) lives here. It is raining, literally just finished as ShakledNation made this statement. Living here ShakledNation has to know it just rained, at that hard enough to flood and kill a person.

Southern California Flooding Mudslides Flash Flooding California Damage Homes Leave At Least 1 Dead - weather.com

At least one person was killed and thousands were stranded as unusually rich monsoon moisture fueled powerful thunderstorms that slammed the Southwest with torrential rainfall Sunday, leading to flash flooding in several California and Arizona counties. The storms also brought damaging winds in the Phoenix area.

A body was found Sunday in a car that was swept into the rain-swollen water course in Mount Baldy and overturned, San Bernardino County Fire spokesman Chris Prater said. Authorities were working to remove the body from the car Sunday night, which was swept away from an area near Mt. Baldy Road and Bear Canyon Drive, NBC Los Angeles reported.

In California, More than 30 homes were damaged - with at least a dozen of them so severely damaged that they're uninhabitable, authorities said Monday.

ShakledNation, how low will you go, obviously you are intelligent, you live here, you see things with your own eyes every day. Is ShakledNation's Political Ideology so important that ShakledNation hopes we do not point out what ShakledNation ignores.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day

ShakledNation sees the drought every day, just not the flooding, the death, the rain, all those clouds.

 

[RollingThunder]

So.....it seems that ol' 'eekthetroll' is simply full-on crazy and completely around the bend.....

There is no water in california, worst drought ever, but water intensive crops like grapes for wine are doing better than fine, the are setting records, more grapes than ever before.

Do you take 'stupid pills' or use meth? Or were you born this stupid?

California Viticulture Hit Hard by Drought
Liberty Voice
May 15, 2014
(excerpts)
California is a major contributor within the global viticulture community. The entire state is facing a severe drought which is drastically affecting the people, wildlife and agriculture of the land mass. Because wine production and exportation is majorly important for the economy of the state, wine producers and enthusiasts are very worried about the final outcome of the drought and how hard it will have hit California’s lucrative viticulture. The production of wine is under scrutiny by residents of the state. The amount of water necessary to keep California’s wine production stable is astronomical. With 100 percent of the state’s residents now having to watch their personal water intake, many are looking to ensure that the wineries are also under the same rules. Many wineries have been looking for new underground wells to tap in order to sustain their crops, while others are abandoning their vines altogether.

Wine growing regions of California are normally very prosperous- one region within the state was awarded the Wine Region of the Year in 2013 by Wine Enthusiast magazine. California provides well over three-fourths of the nation’s wine. Earlier this year wine production was expected to crawl, with a 25 percent decrease in production across the board. With the entire state now under the most severe drought it has seen in 100 years, wine production and viticulture as a whole will likely slow even more in the coming months, with this hit of hardship possibly lasting for years. Some regions, particularly the Napa Valley, were expecting the worst earlier this year in terms of drought and were confident that crops could withstand the lack of water. However, other areas only had one month of water earlier this year, so it is very likely that their current situation is dire. On average, a grapevine being grown without water restrictions requires about six gallons of water per week. Needless to say, the grapevines of California are not receiving this necessary amount of water. Some growers are preparing for zero production for the remainder of the year as they watch their vines succumb to terrible drought conditions, one by one.

Global warming green energy advocates are the new nazis, the new bigots.

In reality, anthropogenic global warming deniers are the new 'Flat Earthers', the new 'Know-Nothing Party', and the tragic victims of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Oh, and then there is this....

Godwin’s Law (earlier referred to as reductio ad Hitlerum [1]) was formulated by the attorney Mike Godwin (former general counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation) in the 1990s and states:

“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”​

Traditionally in many Internet discussion forums, it is the rule that once such a comparison is made, the discussion is effectively finished and whoever mentioned Hitler or the Nazis has automatically lost the debate.

It is raining right now, torrential downpour and Rolling Blunder looks at a Google paid search result for the truth.

LOL. You're so funny. I'm glad it's raining wherever you are 'cause I'm sure your area needs it, but most (or almost all) of the state hasn't had any rain in quite a while. Reservoirs are drying up and the water-table is sinking to greater and greater depths. Like a lot of rightwingnut retards, you can't seem to comprehend the difference between the weather in your backyard and the larger picture of the whole state, country or world.

BTW, I may use Google to find articles about the drought to cite on here to demonstrate what an idiot you are and how stupidly fraudulent your moronic OP was, but I can see for myself the almost depleted reservoirs here in the Bay Area and how extremely low Shasta Lake was in northern California. I live in a grape growing region and I know the growers are getting hit with water restrictions and are having to cut back on the acreage they can keep in cultivation until the drought (hopefully) eases up and we get some decent rains again.

I'm afraid that, if you imagine that California isn't in a drought, or that anthropogenic global warming isn't quite real and very dangerous, it is your head that is firmly jammed up your ass.

 

[elektra]

So.....it seems that ol' 'eekthetroll' is simply full-on crazy and completely around the bend.....

There is no water in california, worst drought ever, but water intensive crops like grapes for wine are doing better than fine, the are setting records, more grapes than ever before.

Do you take 'stupid pills' or use meth? Or were you born this stupid?

California Viticulture Hit Hard by Drought
Liberty Voice
May 15, 2014
(excerpts)
California is a major contributor within the global viticulture community. The entire state is facing a severe drought which is drastically affecting the people, wildlife and agriculture of the land mass. Because wine production and exportation is majorly important for the economy of the state, wine producers and enthusiasts are very worried about the final outcome of the drought and how hard it will have hit California’s lucrative viticulture. The production of wine is under scrutiny by residents of the state. The amount of water necessary to keep California’s wine production stable is astronomical. With 100 percent of the state’s residents now having to watch their personal water intake, many are looking to ensure that the wineries are also under the same rules. Many wineries have been looking for new underground wells to tap in order to sustain their crops, while others are abandoning their vines altogether.

Wine growing regions of California are normally very prosperous- one region within the state was awarded the Wine Region of the Year in 2013 by Wine Enthusiast magazine. California provides well over three-fourths of the nation’s wine. Earlier this year wine production was expected to crawl, with a 25 percent decrease in production across the board. With the entire state now under the most severe drought it has seen in 100 years, wine production and viticulture as a whole will likely slow even more in the coming months, with this hit of hardship possibly lasting for years. Some regions, particularly the Napa Valley, were expecting the worst earlier this year in terms of drought and were confident that crops could withstand the lack of water. However, other areas only had one month of water earlier this year, so it is very likely that their current situation is dire. On average, a grapevine being grown without water restrictions requires about six gallons of water per week. Needless to say, the grapevines of California are not receiving this necessary amount of water. Some growers are preparing for zero production for the remainder of the year as they watch their vines succumb to terrible drought conditions, one by one.

Global warming green energy advocates are the new nazis, the new bigots.

In reality, anthropogenic global warming deniers are the new 'Flat Earthers', the new 'Know-Nothing Party', and the tragic victims of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Oh, and then there is this....

Godwin’s Law (earlier referred to as reductio ad Hitlerum [1]) was formulated by the attorney Mike Godwin (former general counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation) in the 1990s and states:

“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”​

Traditionally in many Internet discussion forums, it is the rule that once such a comparison is made, the discussion is effectively finished and whoever mentioned Hitler or the Nazis has automatically lost the debate.

It is raining right now, torrential downpour and Rolling Blunder looks at a Google paid search result for the truth.

LOL. You're so funny. I'm glad it's raining wherever you are 'cause I'm sure your area needs it, but most (or almost all) of the state hasn't had any rain in quite a while. Reservoirs are drying up and the water-table is sinking to greater and greater depths. Like a lot of rightwingnut retards, you can't seem to comprehend the difference between the weather in your backyard and the larger picture of the whole state, country or world.

BTW, I may use Google to find articles about the drought to cite on here to demonstrate what an idiot you are and how stupidly fraudulent your moronic OP was, but I can see for myself the almost depleted reservoirs here in the Bay Area and how extremely low Shasta Lake was in northern California. I live in a grape growing region and I know the growers are getting hit with water restrictions and are having to cut back on the acreage they can keep in cultivation until the drought (hopefully) eases up and we get some decent rains again.

I'm afraid that, if you imagine that California isn't in a drought, or that anthropogenic global warming isn't quite real and very dangerous, it is your head that is firmly jammed up your ass.

Another RollingBlunder

You see? Then take pics and post them, I got some reservoir pics, and they are full. Hell I already posted some in other threads, time for them again. Just took a pic of two reservoirs a week ago, but that is another thread, this is about record grape harvests.

My article trumps yours, from the "Liberty Voice". Is that like CNN, FOX, or USA Today? At least you did not play your deck of google cards to draw from wikipedia again, that was dumb and I see you did not do that again. You learn, but not to fast.

Early 2014 Grape Harvest Begins - Wines Vines - Wine Industry News Headlines

Early 2014 Grape Harvest Begins California vintners optimistic about early vintage with continued high quality by Andrew Adams “california Steve Matthiasson picked these clusters of Syrah from the Dunnigan Hills AVA on July 28. Several North Coast winemakers plan to start harvesting grapes for sparkling wine Wednesday. San Rafael, Calif.—An early vintage is getting started in the North Coast, where a few vintners are picking grapes this week for their sparkling and rosé wine programs. While the 2013 vintage arrived earlier than normal, some growers see signs that 2014 will be even earlier. They’re happy to report though that grape quality is comparable to 2012 and 2013, and yields are expected to be slightly above average if not as big as in 2013

Read more at: Early 2014 Grape Harvest Begins - Wines Vines - Wine Industry News Headlines
Copyright © Wines & Vines

Wow, how about that, 2014 yields are expected to be above average, during the worst drought in our history.

Again, Drought?

Enjoy the Wine, record yields during a drought is reason to celebrate.

What suffering?

Post some suffering, that is the OP and if you disagree, post the suffering.

NO RAIN? We have floods, all of Southern California got hammered.

 

[elektra]

Everywhere there are articles of record grape harvests despite government imposed water limits, not drought imposed water limits.

These articles are everywhere, except where liberal/democrats search. How is that.

California growers expect large crop of quality grapes despite challenges - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897.

California growers expect large crop of quality grapes, despite challenges
by Rand Green | July 25, 2014
It is not easy being a farmer anywhere, and it has certainly not been easy in recent years to be a grape grower in California in the face of a plethora of challenges, ranging from drought exacerbated by government-imposed limitations on agricultural water use to rising labor costs and a maze of ever-intensifying regulatory pressures.

Yet thus far, California grape growers have been able to meet the challenges and turn out ever-increasing volumes of high-quality grapes in an expanding array of varieties.

Plantings of Scarlet Royal red seedless grapes, a relatively new variety, have increased significantly in California's San Joaquin Valley in recent years for the mid- to late season. (Photo courtesy of Sundale Sales)Last year was a record year for California grape shipments, with a record 116.2 million boxes of grapes (19-pound equivalent) going to market. For 2014, the crop was officially estimated at just over that — 116.5 million boxes — at the season’s start. The California Table Grape Commission revisited the estimate at its meeting on July 17 and reaffirmed that number, notwithstanding some early vineyards in the San Joaquin Valley picking out a little lighter than growers had anticipated, attesting their confidence that if all went as expected, strong volumes would be realized throughout the balance of the season.

 

[Crick]

Odd that your article doesn't say anything like "this is because there is no drought".

 

[elektra]

Odd that your article doesn't say anything like "this is because there is no drought".

and not so odd that the article mentions Government Mandated Water Restrictions, so despite the weather, the Government is Mandating Drought.

And like the OP states, we are not suffering.

We are celebrating with Cabernet and Chardonnay.

 

[jc456]

Odd that your article doesn't say anything like "this is because there is no drought".

Funny, we have no drought in chicago and the weather folks never say there is no drought. Who in the F uses that terminology? Oh, you. What a boob! LoSiNg

 

[mamooth]

This would be what Elekta calls "not a drought".The dark red is "exceptional drought", as high as the scale goes.

Conclusion: Elektra is delusional.

United States Drought Monitor Home State Drought Monitor

 

[jc456]

So because you have a pretty picture, there is a drought? Really, this proves your drought? holy crap again. Dude, you need to relax a bit.

 

[ShackledNation]

(1) The record crop growth was last year, which is 2013. In other words...before the drought. So the OP article is irrelevant to what this year's crop yield will be, which is not yet known because the year is not over, and which will most definitely be less than 2013.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day. The drought is very real and very serious, regardless of the validity of global warming.

(3) The above two points are all that needs to be said in this thread.

Last year, 2013, is before the drought that has been going on since the end 2011?

The drought did not begin state-wide at the end of 2011, nor were there serious drought conditions in the region that grows grapes. As to the article I am responding to, the wine region in reference was not in drought at all in the first half of 2013, but in fact was even wetter than the prior year (hence the higher crop yields). Only at the end of 2013 did it even begin to experience any significant levels of drought, and by that time the grapes had already been harvested (harvesting season for grapes is around August).
192 drought maps reveal just how thirsty California has become - LA Times

Conditions began to worsen across the state towards the end of 2013, and the state of emergency was declared January of this year. Sorry, but your grape example doesn't discount anything. It only shows you are misinformed.

My OP specifically states we are not suffering, we are setting records in agriculture as well as water preservation. We celebrated a record grape harvest during the current drought, hardly suffering.

We did not suffer record grape harvest during the current drought, as proven above. Water preservation is in response to the drought, and it is completely bizarre that the fact people are using less water is somehow evidence in your mind that the drought is having no effect--that is exactly the effect you would expect a drought to have.

You live here, big deal, I live here as well and see it with my own eyes, the shutting down of two nuclear power plants, less energy means less energy to pump water.

How naive you are to believe that the media and the government actually tell the complete truth.

Is there one story, is there one news report, are there any politicians discussing the impact of trying to pump water after shutting down two nuclear reactors?

What about the impact of pumping water with Green Energy? Is it even possible?

I do not trust the government nor the media.

Try reading Cadillac desert and watching Chinatown, then take a look at your drought stricken state.

I don't trust the government or the media either. But that doesn't mean everything they say is automatically false. The reality is that CA is suffering a very serious drought, and that drought is having an impact on agriculture and regions used to higher levels of water across the statement. Even up in the mountains snow levels were so low that many ski resorts lost big money.

But feel free to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the drought doesn't matter--just be careful. When the rains do come again, the soil will be more prone to flooding, and you might get washed away.

Keep my head in the sand, better to keep my head in the sand, versus being like you with your head up your ass!

Try some reading comprehension to start, my title states, "California not suffering," that is with a comma, we are not suffering. Not unless like I point out, that I can not flush my toilet nor take a bath.

So you failed to realize that I am making a point, that some are suffering while people like you drink their wine and look down upon us who suffer your policies.

I realize that this may not be your position but this is the point I fighting, which you have taken upon yourself to argue.

How about that title, "drought?", with a question mark, get your head out of your ass and think about what that means as well.

And how about all the other threads here, do you think maybe this thread is a response or a counter to the information being posted.

If ShakledNation has his way, we are to ignore record grape harvests while being told we are in a drought over 30 months old, as posted in this thread and this link;

California suffering through SEVERE climate change US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

California Facing Worst Drought on Record NOAA Climate.gov

In the 30 months preceding December 2013, the state has received closer to 33 inches, just a bit less than the previous record low for a similar period, from July 1975-December 1977.

ShakledNation now wants to change the drought time period, ShakledNation has a clever google cut/paste to explain away contradictions.

Get your head out of the sand, ShakledNation and try and keep up.

That region was, "even wetter", than the prior year. As stated by ShakledNation. That region is where Southern California gets it water, we pump it from there.

We pump water from at least three sources, the first Water Project as started by Mullholland was the Owens Valley. Second was the Colorado, Third the Central Valley Project.

Three sources for Southern California water because Southern California is always in a drought, but thanks for pointing out that it was wetter than average from our largest source of water, up north.

ShakledNation, more like ShakledBrain

Ladies and gentlemen, above is a clear example of how someone responds when their argument is completely destroyed.

Pointing out that Southern California gets its water from the north is pointing out the obvious and has nothing to do with anything I said. You created a bizarre argument where last year's grape harvest somehow means that the drought is not serious or having an effect. You cherry picked a single crop as if that is proof of the effects of the drought on the state. The reality is that the region that grows these grapes was not in a drought for the first half of 2013, which is the prime growing season for grapes. The serious drought in that region began this year, not in 2013. Furthermore, grapes require less water than many other crops, meaning they will be less effected by drought to begin with.

The reality is that the drought has hurt many people throughout California.
(1) Many communities have had to go without water as water wells have literally run dry.
(2) Ski resorts lost money due to lower snow levels. This has also harmed local businesses that rely on winter tourism to survive.
(3) The drought is expected to cost CA farmers $1 billion in lost revenue.

And guess what? The grape and wine industry is hurting too! It helps to actually look at recent data, not data from a year ago when there was no serious drought in the region.

Because of the drought, at least 80 percent of grapes on one 160-acre lot at La Jolla Farming are shriveled and soft, unable to go to market and turned away by wineries. That leaves at least 2 million pounds on the ground to rot. The owners expect to grow 10% of what they normally grow.

So you can keep up your nonsense about the drought not effecting California, and that the media is just making everything up. But back in reality, the rest of us will be addressing the problems and realizing the situation is very, very real.

 

[ShackledNation]

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But feel free to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the drought doesn't matter--just be careful. When the rains do come again, the soil will be more prone to flooding, and you might get washed away.

(1) The record crop growth was last year, which is 2013. In other words...before the drought. So the OP article is irrelevant to what this year's crop yield will be, which is not yet known because the year is not over, and which will most definitely be less than 2013.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day. The drought is very real and very serious, regardless of the validity of global warming.

(3) The above two points are all that needs to be said in this thread.

Last year, 2013, is before the drought that has been going on since the end 2011?

The drought did not begin state-wide at the end of 2011, nor were there serious drought conditions in the region that grows grapes. As to the article I am responding to, the wine region in reference was not in drought at all in the first half of 2013, but in fact was even wetter than the prior year (hence the higher crop yields). Only at the end of 2013 did it even begin to experience any significant levels of drought, and by that time the grapes had already been harvested (harvesting season for grapes is around August).
192 drought maps reveal just how thirsty California has become - LA Times

Conditions began to worsen across the state towards the end of 2013, and the state of emergency was declared January of this year. Sorry, but your grape example doesn't discount anything. It only shows you are misinformed.

My OP specifically states we are not suffering, we are setting records in agriculture as well as water preservation. We celebrated a record grape harvest during the current drought, hardly suffering.

We did not suffer record grape harvest during the current drought, as proven above. Water preservation is in response to the drought, and it is completely bizarre that the fact people are using less water is somehow evidence in your mind that the drought is having no effect--that is exactly the effect you would expect a drought to have.

You live here, big deal, I live here as well and see it with my own eyes, the shutting down of two nuclear power plants, less energy means less energy to pump water.

How naive you are to believe that the media and the government actually tell the complete truth.

Is there one story, is there one news report, are there any politicians discussing the impact of trying to pump water after shutting down two nuclear reactors?

What about the impact of pumping water with Green Energy? Is it even possible?

I do not trust the government nor the media.

Try reading Cadillac desert and watching Chinatown, then take a look at your drought stricken state.

I don't trust the government or the media either. But that doesn't mean everything they say is automatically false. The reality is that CA is suffering a very serious drought, and that drought is having an impact on agriculture and regions used to higher levels of water across the statement. Even up in the mountains snow levels were so low that many ski resorts lost big money.

But feel free to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the drought doesn't matter--just be careful. When the rains do come again, the soil will be more prone to flooding, and you might get washed away.

Another thought, about you projecting, a little proof that ShackledNation(brain) has his head in the sand. Just for the fun of it.

When the, "rains do come"? "flooding"?, "you may get washed away"? The rains did come, someone did get washed away and died, so how can you make the statement, "when the rains do come again". After all, ShakledNation(brain) lives here. It is raining, literally just finished as ShakledNation made this statement. Living here ShakledNation has to know it just rained, at that hard enough to flood and kill a person.

Southern California Flooding Mudslides Flash Flooding California Damage Homes Leave At Least 1 Dead - weather.com

At least one person was killed and thousands were stranded as unusually rich monsoon moisture fueled powerful thunderstorms that slammed the Southwest with torrential rainfall Sunday, leading to flash flooding in several California and Arizona counties. The storms also brought damaging winds in the Phoenix area.

A body was found Sunday in a car that was swept into the rain-swollen water course in Mount Baldy and overturned, San Bernardino County Fire spokesman Chris Prater said. Authorities were working to remove the body from the car Sunday night, which was swept away from an area near Mt. Baldy Road and Bear Canyon Drive, NBC Los Angeles reported.

In California, More than 30 homes were damaged - with at least a dozen of them so severely damaged that they're uninhabitable, authorities said Monday.

ShakledNation, how low will you go, obviously you are intelligent, you live here, you see things with your own eyes every day. Is ShakledNation's Political Ideology so important that ShakledNation hopes we do not point out what ShakledNation ignores.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day

ShakledNation sees the drought every day, just not the flooding, the death, the rain, all those clouds.

The rain system affected only Southern California, not the vast majority of the state. And what is ironic about your post is that you provided evidence of exactly what I said would happen...and somehow are trying to use that to prove I was wrong. You are truly embarrassing yourself.

 

[elektra]

This would be what Elekta calls "not a drought".The dark red is "exceptional drought", as high as the scale goes.

Conclusion: Elektra is delusional.

United States Drought Monitor Home State Drought Monitor

ha, ha, it hardly rains is California, from April to November,

How come your map does not include the recent floods, that should at least show a spec on the map?

The author purposely left out all of the August rain and all the rain of September on the 3rd, I wonder if this is why the report got released early.

It is surprising if you read the text, not one mention of the flood in California that killed one person last week.

No mention of any of the August rain.

Its easy to be a liar when you have the Government financed Universities telling the big lie as well.

 

[elektra]

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But feel free to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the drought doesn't matter--just be careful. When the rains do come again, the soil will be more prone to flooding, and you might get washed away.

(1) The record crop growth was last year, which is 2013. In other words...before the drought. So the OP article is irrelevant to what this year's crop yield will be, which is not yet known because the year is not over, and which will most definitely be less than 2013.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day. The drought is very real and very serious, regardless of the validity of global warming.

(3) The above two points are all that needs to be said in this thread.

Last year, 2013, is before the drought that has been going on since the end 2011?

The drought did not begin state-wide at the end of 2011, nor were there serious drought conditions in the region that grows grapes. As to the article I am responding to, the wine region in reference was not in drought at all in the first half of 2013, but in fact was even wetter than the prior year (hence the higher crop yields). Only at the end of 2013 did it even begin to experience any significant levels of drought, and by that time the grapes had already been harvested (harvesting season for grapes is around August).
192 drought maps reveal just how thirsty California has become - LA Times

Conditions began to worsen across the state towards the end of 2013, and the state of emergency was declared January of this year. Sorry, but your grape example doesn't discount anything. It only shows you are misinformed.

My OP specifically states we are not suffering, we are setting records in agriculture as well as water preservation. We celebrated a record grape harvest during the current drought, hardly suffering.

We did not suffer record grape harvest during the current drought, as proven above. Water preservation is in response to the drought, and it is completely bizarre that the fact people are using less water is somehow evidence in your mind that the drought is having no effect--that is exactly the effect you would expect a drought to have.

You live here, big deal, I live here as well and see it with my own eyes, the shutting down of two nuclear power plants, less energy means less energy to pump water.

How naive you are to believe that the media and the government actually tell the complete truth.

Is there one story, is there one news report, are there any politicians discussing the impact of trying to pump water after shutting down two nuclear reactors?

What about the impact of pumping water with Green Energy? Is it even possible?

I do not trust the government nor the media.

Try reading Cadillac desert and watching Chinatown, then take a look at your drought stricken state.

I don't trust the government or the media either. But that doesn't mean everything they say is automatically false. The reality is that CA is suffering a very serious drought, and that drought is having an impact on agriculture and regions used to higher levels of water across the statement. Even up in the mountains snow levels were so low that many ski resorts lost big money.

But feel free to keep your head in the sand and pretend like the drought doesn't matter--just be careful. When the rains do come again, the soil will be more prone to flooding, and you might get washed away.

Another thought, about you projecting, a little proof that ShackledNation(brain) has his head in the sand. Just for the fun of it.

When the, "rains do come"? "flooding"?, "you may get washed away"? The rains did come, someone did get washed away and died, so how can you make the statement, "when the rains do come again". After all, ShakledNation(brain) lives here. It is raining, literally just finished as ShakledNation made this statement. Living here ShakledNation has to know it just rained, at that hard enough to flood and kill a person.

Southern California Flooding Mudslides Flash Flooding California Damage Homes Leave At Least 1 Dead - weather.com

At least one person was killed and thousands were stranded as unusually rich monsoon moisture fueled powerful thunderstorms that slammed the Southwest with torrential rainfall Sunday, leading to flash flooding in several California and Arizona counties. The storms also brought damaging winds in the Phoenix area.

A body was found Sunday in a car that was swept into the rain-swollen water course in Mount Baldy and overturned, San Bernardino County Fire spokesman Chris Prater said. Authorities were working to remove the body from the car Sunday night, which was swept away from an area near Mt. Baldy Road and Bear Canyon Drive, NBC Los Angeles reported.

In California, More than 30 homes were damaged - with at least a dozen of them so severely damaged that they're uninhabitable, authorities said Monday.

ShakledNation, how low will you go, obviously you are intelligent, you live here, you see things with your own eyes every day. Is ShakledNation's Political Ideology so important that ShakledNation hopes we do not point out what ShakledNation ignores.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day

ShakledNation sees the drought every day, just not the flooding, the death, the rain, all those clouds.

The rain system affected only Southern California, not the vast majority of the state. And what is ironic about your post is that you provided evidence of exactly what I said would happen...and somehow are trying to use that to prove I was wrong. You are truly embarrassing yourself.

Well, instead of dictating that you are right, prove it.

At the same time, explain how you explicitly stated we had no rain while a person drowned in flooding is Southern California.

RollingBlunder does not address the Blunder!

RollingBlunder will dictate the truth that we are to follow.

Just like all the other radical leftist activists.

RollingBlunder stated there was no rain, and that when rain came I would be flooded away, rollingblunder stated this as it was raining, after a flood that just killed a person in San Bernardino county.

You can not get more wrong than that.

 

[elektra]

This would be what Elekta calls "not a drought".The dark red is "exceptional drought", as high as the scale goes.

Conclusion: Elektra is delusional.

United States Drought Monitor Home State Drought Monitor

Researching the link, I find we have the Global Warming activist.David Simeral, Western Regional Climate Center, reporting this propaganda.

Where is the August and September Rain in Southern California David, why is it not in your report!!!!!!

 

[mamooth]

You're claiming the US government drought maps are a vast conspiracy? Like I said, you're delusional. Only you know the RealTruth, eh?

Could you tell us again about how grapes grown with water from rapidly declining reservoirs proves there's no drought? That bit of non-logic was quite amusing.

 

[elektra]

You're claiming the US government drought maps are a vast conspiracy? Like I said, you're delusional. Only you know the RealTruth, eh?

Could you tell us again about how grapes grown with water from rapidly declining reservoirs proves there's no drought? That bit of non-logic was quite amusing.

Can you show us which Grapes are watered by Reservoir instead of making a bullshit statement off the top of your head. You can not because you lied.

Can you explain how come the recent California Rain is excluded from the Map and the Report.

The Map is for dummies by the activist, David Simeral.

My OP stands vaild, California is not suffering. Record yields of Grape every year of this drought, Grapes are for wine, I did not cherry pick the grape data, it just stands out as bragging while others suffer the politics

A record harvest of Grapes for Wine while telling the public we can not take a bath or flush our toilets. I bet Obama drank that wine with his Hollywood friends as well as his friends in the rich city of Carmel.

 

[jc456]

Nope!

 

[ShackledNation]

You're claiming the US government drought maps are a vast conspiracy? Like I said, you're delusional. Only you know the RealTruth, eh?

Could you tell us again about how grapes grown with water from rapidly declining reservoirs proves there's no drought? That bit of non-logic was quite amusing.

Can you show us which Grapes are watered by Reservoir instead of making a bullshit statement off the top of your head. You can not because you lied.

He did not lie. The grapes grown in Napa Valley (the most famous wine region in California) get their water from reservoirs, which are being depleted due to lack of rain. Many also get water from groundwater, which is also being depleted. Of course they all get water from rain--but that has been nonexistent.
CALIFORNIA Napa grape growers fret over their future amid severe drought -- Tuesday January 28 2014 -- www.eenews.net

Your ignorance is astounding.

Can you explain how come the recent California Rain is excluded from the Map and the Report.

The map reflects conditions of 9/2/2014. The rains came several days after that, so obviously are not included. Duh.

The Map is for dummies by the activist, David Simeral.

My OP stands vaild, California is not suffering. Record yields of Grape every year of this drought, Grapes are for wine, I did not cherry pick the grape data, it just stands out as bragging while others suffer the politics

A record harvest of Grapes for Wine while telling the public we can not take a bath or flush our toilets. I bet Obama drank that wine with his Hollywood friends as well as his friends in the rich city of Carmel.

Keep parroting your B.S. As has already been shown to you, CA agriculture is suffering to the tune of what is expected to be $1 billion. Ski resorts had horrible seasons, as did ski towns, because there was simply not any snow. Many grape farmers are also suffering. I have already given you links to data that proves all of this to be true.

Methinks that you are so blinded by your denial of global warming that refuse to the negative effects of the CA drought because you think seeing those effects means global warming is real. In reality, the presence of a drought does not require you to believe in global warming.

 

[elektra]

You're claiming the US government drought maps are a vast conspiracy? Like I said, you're delusional. Only you know the RealTruth, eh?

Could you tell us again about how grapes grown with water from rapidly declining reservoirs proves there's no drought? That bit of non-logic was quite amusing.

Can you show us which Grapes are watered by Reservoir instead of making a bullshit statement off the top of your head. You can not because you lied.

He did not lie. The grapes grown in Napa Valley (the most famous wine region in California) get their water from reservoirs, which are being depleted due to lack of rain. Many also get water from groundwater, which is also being depleted. Of course they all get water from rain--but that has been nonexistent.
CALIFORNIA Napa grape growers fret over their future amid severe drought -- Tuesday January 28 2014 -- www.eenews.net

Your ignorance is astounding.

Can you explain how come the recent California Rain is excluded from the Map and the Report.

The map reflects conditions of 9/2/2014. The rains came several days after that, so obviously are not included. Duh.

The Map is for dummies by the activist, David Simeral.

My OP stands vaild, California is not suffering. Record yields of Grape every year of this drought, Grapes are for wine, I did not cherry pick the grape data, it just stands out as bragging while others suffer the politics

A record harvest of Grapes for Wine while telling the public we can not take a bath or flush our toilets. I bet Obama drank that wine with his Hollywood friends as well as his friends in the rich city of Carmel.

Keep parroting your B.S. As has already been shown to you, CA agriculture is suffering to the tune of what is expected to be $1 billion. Ski resorts had horrible seasons, as did ski towns, because there was simply not any snow. Many grape farmers are also suffering. I have already given you links to data that proves all of this to be true.

Methinks that you are so blinded by your denial of global warming that refuse to the negative effects of the CA drought because you think seeing those effects means global warming is real. In reality, the presence of a drought does not require you to believe in global warming.

ignorance, try and keep up, your link is from january, my facts clearly show this year's grape harvest was beyond the January expectations and forecast. The article specifically addresses this article.

funny fact, it rained after january, all spring, the grape harvest was fat, above average.

Once again, you prove you can not read and are ignoring all the facts.

My OP is validated by the opposition again.

Now watch this post get ignored, except for maybe some cherry picking.

August and July's farm reports all prove the early January forecasts are wrong.

Further, I got rain in the week in which that report was applicable, the week before as well which the prior week ignored as well, our rain for august was the opposite of the normal precipitation, meaning it was a record wet august, for august my region was not in a drought. The drought report ignores facts.

 

[Crick]

You're claiming the US government drought maps are a vast conspiracy? Like I said, you're delusional. Only you know the RealTruth, eh?

Could you tell us again about how grapes grown with water from rapidly declining reservoirs proves there's no drought? That bit of non-logic was quite amusing.

Can you show us which Grapes are watered by Reservoir instead of making a bullshit statement off the top of your head. You can not because you lied.

He did not lie. The grapes grown in Napa Valley (the most famous wine region in California) get their water from reservoirs (Lake Berryessa if memory serves), which are being depleted due to lack of rain. Many also get water from groundwater, which is also being depleted. Of course they all get water from rain--but that has been nonexistent.
CALIFORNIA Napa grape growers fret over their future amid severe drought -- Tuesday January 28 2014 -- www.eenews.net

Your ignorance is astounding.

Can you explain how come the recent California Rain is excluded from the Map and the Report.

The map reflects conditions of 9/2/2014. The rains came several days after that, so obviously are not included. Duh.

The Map is for dummies by the activist, David Simeral.

My OP stands vaild, California is not suffering. Record yields of Grape every year of this drought, Grapes are for wine, I did not cherry pick the grape data, it just stands out as bragging while others suffer the politics

A record harvest of Grapes for Wine while telling the public we can not take a bath or flush our toilets. I bet Obama drank that wine with his Hollywood friends as well as his friends in the rich city of Carmel.

Keep parroting your B.S. As has already been shown to you, CA agriculture is suffering to the tune of what is expected to be $1 billion. Ski resorts had horrible seasons, as did ski towns, because there was simply not any snow. Many grape farmers are also suffering. I have already given you links to data that proves all of this to be true.

Methinks that you are so blinded by your denial of global warming that refuse to the negative effects of the CA drought because you think seeing those effects means global warming is real. In reality, the presence of a drought does not require you to believe in global warming.

An objective, informed poster. What a welcome breath of fresh air.