Bush Warned Obama About VA

[nodoginnafight]

Rabbi's bullshit has been debunked here with extensive documentation.

Doesn't excuse Obama - and it sure doesn't excuse Bush.

 

[The Rabbi]

Rabbi's bullshit has been debunked here with extensive documentation.

Doesn't excuse Obama - and it sure doesn't excuse Bush.

Actually nothing I've written has been debunked. Please show where that occurred.
Do you really think it's fair to compare war dead, in a war that Democrats approved, to veteran who died because the VA screwed up and lied about it, which Obama did nothing to fix?

 

[edthecynic]

There it is, another faux scandal. How many dead veterans until it becomes real?

Oh, the dead veterans are very real. Just as real as they were when they died on Bush's watch. The faux scandal is that this is all Obama's fault. You're a shameless partisan hack, willing to use even the deaths of veterans as a political football. Fuck off, asshole.

There were no veterans who died in similar circumstances on Bush's watch
You are simply a liar. And a fraud. And a buffoon.

Veterans not entitled to mental health care, U.S. lawyers argue - SFGate

Veterans have no legal right to specific types of medical care, the Bush administration argues in a lawsuit accusing the government of illegally denying mental health treatment to some troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The arguments, filed Wednesday in federal court in San Francisco, strike at the heart of a lawsuit filed on behalf of veterans that claims the health care system for returning troops provides little recourse when the government rejects their medical claims.

snip/

The suit accuses the VA of arbitrarily denying care and benefits to wounded veterans, of forcing them to wait months for treatment and years for benefits, and of failing to provide fair procedures for appealing decisions against them.

The plaintiffs say that the department has a backlog of more than 600,000 disability claims and that 120 veterans a week commit suicide.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh, the dead veterans are very real. Just as real as they were when they died on Bush's watch. The faux scandal is that this is all Obama's fault. You're a shameless partisan hack, willing to use even the deaths of veterans as a political football. Fuck off, asshole.

There were no veterans who died in similar circumstances on Bush's watch
You are simply a liar. And a fraud. And a buffoon.

Veterans not entitled to mental health care, U.S. lawyers argue - SFGate

Veterans have no legal right to specific types of medical care, the Bush administration argues in a lawsuit accusing the government of illegally denying mental health treatment to some troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The arguments, filed Wednesday in federal court in San Francisco, strike at the heart of a lawsuit filed on behalf of veterans that claims the health care system for returning troops provides little recourse when the government rejects their medical claims.

snip/

The suit accuses the VA of arbitrarily denying care and benefits to wounded veterans, of forcing them to wait months for treatment and years for benefits, and of failing to provide fair procedures for appealing decisions against them.

The plaintiffs say that the department has a backlog of more than 600,000 disability claims and that 120 veterans a week commit suicide.

Yup. Those are the rules. You got a problem with the rules? Please show where anything was covered up.
Geez, the left is either flat out stupid or desperate to spin this next scandal away.

 

[tinydancer]

Oh, the dead veterans are very real. Just as real as they were when they died on Bush's watch. The faux scandal is that this is all Obama's fault. You're a shameless partisan hack, willing to use even the deaths of veterans as a political football. Fuck off, asshole.

There were no veterans who died in similar circumstances on Bush's watch
You are simply a liar. And a fraud. And a buffoon.

Veterans not entitled to mental health care, U.S. lawyers argue - SFGate

Veterans have no legal right to specific types of medical care, the Bush administration argues in a lawsuit accusing the government of illegally denying mental health treatment to some troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The arguments, filed Wednesday in federal court in San Francisco, strike at the heart of a lawsuit filed on behalf of veterans that claims the health care system for returning troops provides little recourse when the government rejects their medical claims.

snip/

The suit accuses the VA of arbitrarily denying care and benefits to wounded veterans, of forcing them to wait months for treatment and years for benefits, and of failing to provide fair procedures for appealing decisions against them.

The plaintiffs say that the department has a backlog of more than 600,000 disability claims and that 120 veterans a week commit suicide.

Interesting piece you linked to. Obviously the VA was attempting to improve.

In his Jan. 10 ruling that allowed the suit to proceed, Conti said federal law entitles veterans to health care for a specific period after leaving the service, rejecting the government's argument that it was required to provide only as much care as the VA's budget allowed in a given year. A law that President Bush signed last week extended the period from two to five years.

AND

They also said the VA "is making great progress in addressing the mental health care needs of combat veterans."

Among other things, they cited a law passed in November that required the department to establish a suicide-prevention program that includes making mental health care available around the clock.

The VA has hired nearly 3,800 mental health professionals in the last two years and has at least one specialist in post-traumatic stress disorder at each of its medical centers, the government said.

Since June, government lawyers said, the VA has had a policy that all veterans who seek or are referred for mental health care should be screened within 24 hours, that those found to be at risk of suicide should be treated immediately, and that others should be scheduled for full diagnosis and treatment planning within two weeks.

A new suicide-prevention hot line has been responsible for "more than 380 rescues," the lawyers said.

Veterans not entitled to mental health care, U.S. lawyers argue - SFGate

 

[edthecynic]

There were no veterans who died in similar circumstances on Bush's watch
You are simply a liar. And a fraud. And a buffoon.

Veterans not entitled to mental health care, U.S. lawyers argue - SFGate

Veterans have no legal right to specific types of medical care, the Bush administration argues in a lawsuit accusing the government of illegally denying mental health treatment to some troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The arguments, filed Wednesday in federal court in San Francisco, strike at the heart of a lawsuit filed on behalf of veterans that claims the health care system for returning troops provides little recourse when the government rejects their medical claims.

snip/

The suit accuses the VA of arbitrarily denying care and benefits to wounded veterans, of forcing them to wait months for treatment and years for benefits, and of failing to provide fair procedures for appealing decisions against them.

The plaintiffs say that the department has a backlog of more than 600,000 disability claims and that 120 veterans a week commit suicide.

Interesting piece you linked to. Obviously the VA was attempting to improve.

In his Jan. 10 ruling that allowed the suit to proceed, Conti said federal law entitles veterans to health care for a specific period after leaving the service, rejecting the government's argument that it was required to provide only as much care as the VA's budget allowed in a given year. A law that President Bush signed last week extended the period from two to five years.

AND

They also said the VA "is making great progress in addressing the mental health care needs of combat veterans."

Among other things, they cited a law passed in November that required the department to establish a suicide-prevention program that includes making mental health care available around the clock.

The VA has hired nearly 3,800 mental health professionals in the last two years and has at least one specialist in post-traumatic stress disorder at each of its medical centers, the government said.

Since June, government lawyers said, the VA has had a policy that all veterans who seek or are referred for mental health care should be screened within 24 hours, that those found to be at risk of suicide should be treated immediately, and that others should be scheduled for full diagnosis and treatment planning within two weeks.

A new suicide-prevention hot line has been responsible for "more than 380 rescues," the lawyers said.

Veterans not entitled to mental health care, U.S. lawyers argue - SFGate

You left this part out:

Erspamer, the plaintiffs' lawyer, was unimpressed.

"Nowhere do I see any explanation of what kind of systems they have in place that deal with suicidal veterans," he said. "There's no excuse for not spending the money Congress told them to spend on mental health care and leaving $60 million on the table when people are going out and killing themselves."

 

[J.E.D]

This is entirely Obama's doing. He may not have created the situation but he allowed it to go unchecked, even after he was warned this was happening.

So, if Obama didn't create the situation, how is it entirely his fault?.........

Thanks for killing your own thread (after it already died a thousand deaths)

 

[The Rabbi]

This is entirely Obama's doing. He may not have created the situation but he allowed it to go unchecked, even after he was warned this was happening.

So, if Obama didn't create the situation, how is it entirely his fault?.........

Thanks for killing your own thread (after it already died a thousand deaths)

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

 

[J.E.D]

You fail

 

[The Rabbi]

You fail

Translation: I fail.

 

[edthecynic]

This is entirely Obama's doing. He may not have created the situation but he allowed it to go unchecked, even after he was warned this was happening.

So, if Obama didn't create the situation, how is it entirely his fault?.........

Thanks for killing your own thread (after it already died a thousand deaths)

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

Bullshit!

Vets have been dying from delays since 2001.

'Delay in treatment' a factor in more than 100 deaths at VA centers - U.S. - Stripes

More than 100 payments go out every year to resolve claims that veterans died due to mishaps by VA medical centers, according to an investigation conducted in partnership between this newspaper and WSB-TV in Atlanta.

The number of dead veterans could total more than 1,100 from 2001 through the first half of 2013

 

[Faun]

This is entirely Obama's doing. He may not have created the situation but he allowed it to go unchecked, even after he was warned this was happening.

So, if Obama didn't create the situation, how is it entirely his fault?.........

Thanks for killing your own thread (after it already died a thousand deaths)

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

No one died while Bush was president?? Are you fucking nuts??? What a pity you didn't look at that link I gave you, you wouldn't have made such an ass of yourself...

Vets of Bush's Wars Sue the VA: 'More than Half of Wounded Troops Slipping Through the Cracks'
"If you're suicidal you can't wait a month ... People placed on waiting lists have killed themselves."

 

[Kondor3]

You fail

Nope.

The guy's right.

Obumble (and his Administration) did not cause all the problems.

Indeed, he (and his gang) inherited most of them.

But they've had five (5) years to fix the thing, and they haven't even put a dent in what needs to be done yet.

After Year Five in an Eight-Year -long Tenure, Obumble (and his clowns) must Man-Up and take responsibility.

"The buck stops here."

A line that a respectable Democrat once made famous.

 

[Faun]

So, if Obama didn't create the situation, how is it entirely his fault?.........

Thanks for killing your own thread (after it already died a thousand deaths)

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

Bullshit!

Vets have been dying from delays since 2001.

'Delay in treatment' a factor in more than 100 deaths at VA centers - U.S. - Stripes

More than 100 payments go out every year to resolve claims that veterans died due to mishaps by VA medical centers, according to an investigation conducted in partnership between this newspaper and WSB-TV in Atlanta.

The number of dead veterans could total more than 1,100 from 2001 through the first half of 2013

Rightards never learn because they're ineducable.

 

[The Rabbi]

So, if Obama didn't create the situation, how is it entirely his fault?.........

Thanks for killing your own thread (after it already died a thousand deaths)

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

No one died while Bush was president?? Are you fucking nuts??? What a pity you didn't look at that link I gave you, you wouldn't have made such an ass of yourself...

Vets of Bush's Wars Sue the VA: 'More than Half of Wounded Troops Slipping Through the Cracks'
"If you're suicidal you can't wait a month ... People placed on waiting lists have killed themselves."

Yeah, I didnt say that. You have to read in context. Something you are incapable of doing. Frankly dont bother responding because your response is irrelevant to this thread.

 

[The Rabbi]

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

Bullshit!

Vets have been dying from delays since 2001.

'Delay in treatment' a factor in more than 100 deaths at VA centers - U.S. - Stripes

More than 100 payments go out every year to resolve claims that veterans died due to mishaps by VA medical centers, according to an investigation conducted in partnership between this newspaper and WSB-TV in Atlanta.

The number of dead veterans could total more than 1,100 from 2001 through the first half of 2013

Rightards never learn because they're ineducable.

^^Irony.

 

[Faun]

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

No one died while Bush was president?? Are you fucking nuts??? What a pity you didn't look at that link I gave you, you wouldn't have made such an ass of yourself...

Vets of Bush's Wars Sue the VA: 'More than Half of Wounded Troops Slipping Through the Cracks'
"If you're suicidal you can't wait a month ... People placed on waiting lists have killed themselves."

Yeah, I didnt say that. You have to read in context. Something you are incapable of doing. Frankly dont bother responding because your response is irrelevant to this thread.

And yet, here's what you said ... "The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result."

.... beyond stupid.

 

[The Rabbi]

No one died while Bush was president?? Are you fucking nuts??? What a pity you didn't look at that link I gave you, you wouldn't have made such an ass of yourself...

Vets of Bush's Wars Sue the VA: 'More than Half of Wounded Troops Slipping Through the Cracks'
"If you're suicidal you can't wait a month ... People placed on waiting lists have killed themselves."

Yeah, I didnt say that. You have to read in context. Something you are incapable of doing. Frankly dont bother responding because your response is irrelevant to this thread.

And yet, here's what you said ... "The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result."

.... beyond stupid.

Yes, you are beyond stupid. Show us the vets who died because the VA kept two lists under Bush. We'll wait.

 

[Faun]

Yeah, I didnt say that. You have to read in context. Something you are incapable of doing. Frankly dont bother responding because your response is irrelevant to this thread.

And yet, here's what you said ... "The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result."

.... beyond stupid.

Yes, you are beyond stupid. Show us the vets who died because the VA kept two lists under Bush. We'll wait.

You're a complete idiot. No one died because there were two lists. Vets died because they were kept on a waiting list (one list) which denied them treatment in a timely manner. Same reason they died under Bush's administration.

 

[edthecynic]

So, if Obama didn't create the situation, how is it entirely his fault?.........

Thanks for killing your own thread (after it already died a thousand deaths)

You're stupid, we get it.
The current mess started before Obama's time. But no one died as a result. He was aware of the problems and let them grow unchecked until people did actually die. That is why it is entirely his fault.

Bullshit!

Vets have been dying from delays since 2001.

'Delay in treatment' a factor in more than 100 deaths at VA centers - U.S. - Stripes

More than 100 payments go out every year to resolve claims that veterans died due to mishaps by VA medical centers, according to an investigation conducted in partnership between this newspaper and WSB-TV in Atlanta.

The number of dead veterans could total more than 1,100 from 2001 through the first half of 2013

Show us the vets who died because the VA kept two lists under Bush. We'll wait.

Way to move the goal posts.