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Exactly how are YOU defining insurgencies vs. terrorism? I subscribe to the idea that if civilians are the target, then it's terrorism. I just went to the first site, msnbc, don't see how you would call that insurgents.

Iraq is in a civil war and has been for a few years now. Because the attacks were on civilians does not automatically equate to terrorism.

This is two seperate groups trying to gain political control of Iraq. These are insurgency attacks.
 
You are sick. I checked just the first link where non combatants were murdered in a market place. Homicide bombers attacking non combatants in a crowd to murder innocent men, women, and children you label insurgent. I label you reprehensible.

America is sick, our liberty weakened. You can thank yourself and people like you for allowing it to happen.
 
Iraq is in a civil war and has been for a few years now. Because the attacks were on civilians does not automatically equate to terrorism.

This is two seperate groups trying to gain political control of Iraq. These are insurgency attacks.

No. It's not.
 
America is sick, our liberty weakened. You can thank yourself and people like you for allowing it to happen.

I don't know exactly what philosophy you attend to, but it's not our system. You see it as sick, because you disagree.
 
I don't know exactly what philosophy you attend to, but it's not our system. You see it as sick, because you disagree.

Disagree with war, torture, surveillance, subjugation of Constitutional law, expansion of executive power, suspension of Habeas Corpus...yeah I disagree. Why don't you?
 
Disagree with war, torture, surveillance, subjugation of Constitutional law, expansion of executive power, suspension of Habeas Corpus...yeah I disagree. Why don't you?

Because your definition is wrong.
 
Because your definition is wrong.

How so? You believe that just because the victims are civilian that the attackers are terrorists? If this is true, then Blackwater are terrorists, our own Army and Marines are terrorists.
 
How so? You believe that just because the victims are civilian that the attackers are terrorists? If this is true, then Blackwater are terrorists, our own Army and Marines are terrorists.

Bullshit...our Army and Marines do not target civilians. You terrorist buddies do. Big difference there.
 
Bullshit...our Army and Marines do not target civilians. You terrorist buddies do. Big difference there.

What he said and same for the contractors. Taoman, you are not walking the Middle Way, not by a long shot. Might want to reconsider that Buddist deal.
 
Geesh, another conspiracy theory. Bet you enjoyed loose change too. One thing on conspiracies, everyone has to be in it together. I seriously doubt that our govt is that smart. Lol. The links provided are great entertainment though.
 
Bullshit...our Army and Marines do not target civilians. You terrorist buddies do. Big difference there.

Fallujah

http://www.albasrah.net/warcrimes.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oif-phantom-fury-fallujah.htm
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House Raids

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/armyvetrefusestomeetbush10aug05.shtml
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20906
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What he said and same for the contractors. Taoman, you are not walking the Middle Way, not by a long shot. Might want to reconsider that Buddist deal.

Oh, so our security contractors in Iraq, our military forces and our para-military intelligence agents are not commiting any atrocities whatsoever?

So why is the Iraqi government trying to expel Blackwater from their country?
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Bullshit...our Army and Marines do not target civilians. You terrorist buddies do. Big difference there.

I agree with you about our Army and Marines. I don't think that's the case with Blackwater employees. In fact, I'm very uncomfortable about the fact that there's a group of people walking around, ostensibly representing us, who aren't subject to U.S. Law, Military Law or International Law. In fact, I'd go so far as to say paramilitary forces are one of the primary indicia of a fascist state.
 
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I agree with you about our Army and Marines. I don't think that's the case with Blackwater employees. In fact, I'm very uncomfortable about the fact that there's a group of people walking around, ostensibly representing us, who aren't subject to U.S. Law, Military Law or International Law. In fact, I'd go so far as to say paramilitary forces are one of the primary indicia of a fascist state.

Our military do not know if someone is friend or foe. They do not understand the culture. Women are not supposed to be touched by men other than their immediate families in Muslim culture, our soldiers do not understand that.

These differences have led to many killings and maimings. Plus when an IED goes off, many soldiers just start shooting. And many innocent civilians get cauight in that. Our bombs are not so accurate that civilians are not killed.

Casualties of war? Not quite, we invaded and now occupy a country that we terrorize daily.
 
Our military do not know if someone is friend or foe. They do not understand the culture. Women are not supposed to be touched by men other than their immediate families in Muslim culture, our soldiers do not understand that.

These differences have led to many killings and maimings. Plus when an IED goes off, many soldiers just start shooting. And many innocent civilians get cauight in that. Our bombs are not so accurate that civilians are not killed.

Casualties of war? Not quite, we invaded and now occupy a country that we terrorize daily.

You have no idea what the heck you are talking about. You have never been to war and probably never will...do you know why? Because you are a parasite... Anyone that spouts that crap goes on my ignore list...you just made it.
 
You have no ideqa what the heck you are talking about. You have never been to war and probably never will...do you know why/ Because you are a parasite...

No. I will never go to war unless our country is invaded. Why? Because I value human life. I value justice. I value protection of the weak and innocent. Our military does not value such things. They value aggression and military might. They value domination.

So anyone who objects to war is a parasite? Do you have to limit your discussion to insults because you do not have an argument?

I watch video footage of a soldier guiding an Iraqi woman into another room by touching her (forbidden in that culture) during a house raid. I watched video footage of American soldiers opening fire on a soccer field filled with kids and parents after an IED went off.

I don't know what I am talking about? You are in denial. Are you a veteran or active duty? You have been to war? If so, then you know what I say is true. What you don't like is the context in which I say it, which shines a bad light on American troops.

I have made it clear that I believe the veterans should all be entitled to free or affordable housing for life. There should never be a homeless veteran - ever. Likewise for insurance and education for the vets and their immediate families. I respect the veterans as fellow Americans who believe in what they are doing and have done.

You are a sheep if you refuse to see or choose to be blind to it all.

I also have the contention that they do not protect our freedom. They believe that they do, but that is a lie told to them by the military institution. Our freedom is not in jeopardy (unless you count our own president who is trying to marginalize it into a fascist rule). Iraq was not a threat to us - but now it is. Now that region is destabilized. Now we are reviled for our actions.

I am anti-war. This is true. This doesn't make me a bad person or a bad American. It makes me brave to say in the face of military and executive opposition to my point of view.

Only a true patriot would dissent when the country is led down a dangerous path of military despotism. Sheep will bleat and pigs will rule, but I will not let freedom or liberty die while I have air in my lungs and blood in my veins.
 
Let me know when you find those WMDs and then you can trust his great insight.



....find them yet?

Need I go through this again? It's been proven conclusively that Saddam, produced, posessed, and used WMDs. Without an accounting for the WMDs/percursors he was KNOWN to have, it is your contention they just vanished in a puff of smoke.

Tell that to the military personnel suffering from Gulf War Syndrome for blowing an unmarked chemical weapons depot during the First Gulf War.

Might want to run it by the Kurds in Halabja as well.

It was proven they existed. They are to this day unaccounted for. Therefore, the onus is on YOU to account for them, or as far as I'm concernedm they're still there somewhere and I see NO logical reason to believe otherwise.
 
Need I go through this again? It's been proven conclusively that Saddam, produced, posessed, and used WMDs. Without an accounting for the WMDs/percursors he was KNOWN to have, it is your contention they just vanished in a puff of smoke.

Tell that to the military personnel suffering from Gulf War Syndrome for blowing an unmarked chemical weapons depot during the First Gulf War.

Might want to run it by the Kurds in Halabja as well.

It was proven they existed. They are to this day unaccounted for. Therefore, the onus is on YOU to account for them, or as far as I'm concernedm they're still there somewhere and I see NO logical reason to believe otherwise.

Saddam did not produce WMD, he bought them from us.
 

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