Homeland Security to press ahead with Real ID

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    Here it comes people. Whether or not we like it. We get no vote on it either. IMO this is something that should not even be considered unless and until our borders were secured...but the powers that be would rather have all of us hog-tied and controlled first for, of course, our "safety". Frankly, I believe this opens the door to far more danger in the future. It's amazing how so many things get passed in the name of "safety". If they were so friggin worried about our "safety" why is it our borders are still friggin wide open? :wtf:

     
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    Yes you did.

    Largely because of the price tag, 17 states have already enacted legislation rejecting the Real ID requirements, which Congress passed as part of an emergency spending bill in 2005,

    Further:
    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588-5697111.html

    Why?
    The federal government should not have the power to define and require 'proper' ID for federal functions?

    So does gun registration.
     
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    Technically you could say that….BUT:
    What "federal functions" specifically are you referring to? Why shouldn't that power (to control drivers licenses and IDs) remain within the states and within state borders? I thought passports were for national and "federal" functions. It is the function of the federal government to protect our national borders against invaders, not to track and control the movements and actions of our citizens within our national borders. That is a function of state police within state borders.

    Agree with you there.
     
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    Technically?
    You mean "in the same manner as every other act passed by congress, as a function of our representative republic"?

    The action is being taken pursuant to a power granted to the DHS by a law that was passed by congress.
    That's our "vote" on the matter.

    One of the links I posted listed some of them. If you interact with a federal agency and/or receive a benefot from same you need an federal ID.

    The IDs are issued as a 'feature' of state driver's license, probably for convenience of the perople trying to get it. I suspect you can get a DL w/o the ID and an ID w/o the DL.

    Passports are to get you in and out of the country.
    They are a valid for of ID for most things (like an I9)

    Actually, that's not a function of either, and the national ID doesnt do this any nore than a DL does.

    I ask again:
    The federal government should not have the power to define and require 'proper' ID for federal functions?
    Why?
     
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    Passports are to get you in and out of the country.
    They are a valid for of ID for most things (like an I9)



    That is exactly why I support such an Id. I'm a little tired of having to sift through fake ass SS cards created with a scanner and bubble jet printer when trying to filter illegals from those eligable to work. Further, I'm a little tired of having to HIRE an illegal before I can verify a work status and then have to fire said illegal for giving me false documentation. I hope this ID is capable of being run like a debit card so that I can have immediate feedback on employment eligability.


    How would this ID track anyone more than that which already happens with th eI-9 (employment) and SS# (everything else)?
     
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    Any state that would give up a little liberty for a little security, deserves neither. :eusa_hand:
     
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    These "real ID's" are expensive and they are to be paid for by whom?

    This is just another hide and seek tax increase on the poor and middle class that republicans always relish.
     
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    This is another aparatus to make us believe that we are all watched and cannot escape the Homeland Security intelligence center.

    It is BS and another way to consolidate money & power. My guess is that it will be outsourced and those will be lucrative Gov contracts.
     
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    Seriously, tm, I doubt that. The ID's will be expensive to produce and will probably be relegated to current State Highway Patrol offices for which only a fraction of their costs will be compensated from a federal level.


    The expenses of the citizens attempting to acquire and reacquire documentation is the real deal. Simply, it's a tax on the most that cannot afford it and should not be required to pay it.

    Anytime you see a tax break from the republicans you can expect a tax increase somewhere else. The cost of our government rarely reduces. Whether you dig it or not matters not. Whether you pay it or not could wind your ass up in jail. Good luck with your public defender.
     
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    Some "vote". Are not our representatives supposed to represent us? It appears that they are not…at least according to the huge number of protests:


    You mean "federal functions" like flying a plane intra-state, driving a car, banking, social security? No thanks. We got along just fine before with these things without instituting a national ID card. In fact, the expanded use of the SS number has been more than enough intrusion into one's privacy.

    Some "feature". I guess you like the idea of a surveillance society?

    Passports, visas, green cards, etc. should be sufficient to monitor foreign people entering our country. It's the ones who come in without papers across open borders who we have to worry about and who employers have a difficult time. How about the feds monitor our borders and the foreigners instead of every U.S. citizen?

    If the national ID does not track and control any more than a state drivers license, then why do we need one?

    Just about everything today is becoming a "federal function". ..from driving a car to flying a plane to opening a bank account to seeing a doctor to attending a school to getting a job. I don't think those things of everyday life should be treated as "federal functions". Federal functions should be limited basically to protecting our national borders from intruders. Isn't that the function of the federal govt. per the Constitution? Like I asked you before, do you wish to live in a surveillance society?

    I don't think we should abdicate our state powers to the feds just because the feds are doing a crappy job controlling illegal invaders into our country. Why should we give up our states rights because the feds can't do their job of controlling our national borders? And if they can't manage a simple task like verifying a SS number for an employer, why is that justification for them to expand and have even more control over U.S. citizens?

    This ID could eventually centralize and track your daily whereabouts and activities. Every time you went anywhere or bought anything or did simple things like check a book out of a library or take a walk in a park. And believe me, its use will become more and more required to the point where the feds could easily track you in real time in living color at the push of a button.

    I don't wish to give up my personal freedom and privacy on the lame excuse that the feds need a national ID card in order to control a bunch of illegal mexicans. Ha! They've already shown that they don't give a damn about our borders.
     
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